Who is having fun?

Seedier

ESO is the 4th major MMO i've played and over the years i've realised that rushing through content in MMOs is an easy trap to fall into as, to be honest, most of the time these games are fun.

But rushing through too quickly often leads to "MMO burnout" where there's nothing left to do but grind. 'tis why i too prefer to take my time now and just absorb the ambience of the game.

High level content will still be there (and probably bug-fixed) when i finally hit level cap...

temjiu

I too was in the camp of "I love this game" talked about playing all my classes and different variations and crafting and such. until i finished coldharbor and started VR content.

which is the starter content for the other areas, just vamped up so much that you have to stick to cookie cutter builds to survive. And for some reason I thought I would be playing intermixed with that fraction. But in reality, you're playing a separate "instance" with all the other VR players. sort of a let down really...playing a lvl 8 toon in the lvl 8 area is far mroe enjoyable then playing a VR1 toon in that same area from a different fraction. personally, the process up to lvl 50 was fun and enjoyable. VR just drains me.

Not sure how long ill stick around. I will probably end up going to Wildstar, if only because i have many friends and relatives of ALL ages who will be playing it. I think about having to slog through vet content playing a spec that I don't enjoy just to make it. and then i think about the fact that if I DONT do that, I wont be able to actually see any content past that.

Cragilorn (group only content) will push the bar to vr12....so if we see anything past that, it will be vr12+. not sure how they even expect to work with level caps in this setup. I honestly think we are stuck with VR for the life of the game. which doesn't make for a long lasting experience. what? no more levels? no more skillups? seems extremely short sighted IMO.

I probably wont last too long. the glimmer of enjoyment faded really quickly once i hit 50 and saw the road ahead. So for those who are in your teens and enjoying it....don't grow up too fast. VR will make or break your enjoyment of the game.

And I hope Bethesda can find a balance with this game that will keep the subs, and the game going. It seems pretty grim IMO, but we'll see. I've stuck with other MMO's through some pretty nasty times (SWtOR player since early release...still love that game). This is the first MMO I've played that i had such a drastic change of feelings in such a short time. Wish I could say different, but at this point not sure how long I will stay either.

temjiu

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

... I tried WS and find I hate the attitude of a dev who likes to call people who are not raiders "filthy casuals" I won't be buying that game.

Wow, that is pretty bad. I'd love to see a link to that, would be interesting to see the companies reaction to that going public.

Cogo

I love the game. Not just because I have fun every single day in it. Though I am only level 34, which I am because I do more of the 10-20 things you can do in this game apart from "leveling". I play the game. Hell, sometimes I meet someone and we just sit down chatting, changing stories. I have not been able to do that since Everquest and to be fair, on RP servers in EARLY WoW days.

I like the combat system. It really takes energy out of me (I do groups with people my own level, NEVER with a high lvl to boost us).

I should focus on getting up in level really, cause I soooooo look forward to the Veteran system and patch 1.1.

-- Happy ESO player.

temjiu

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Definition of stupid...doing something you don't enjoy on purpose.

Wild star is a great place for preteens and teenage boys to play with each other online. Its world of Warcraft with a new haircut.

Definition of stupid...someone who doesn't understand that there are people out there who actually enjoy different things then they do.

I know 4 different adults, 2 teens, and 2 pre-teens that I will be playing with. and all 4 adults have very adult responsibilities in life (one is even raising 5 kids, and regularly is a counselor at an adopted children's summer camp).

Honestly I'm not sure how much I will play it. but it's looking appealing atm. and it has a more stable and smooth end game progressing then this game does.

plamillusionub17_ESO

Yes, I am having fun. Otherwise I wouldn't be here

Going to try and hit V10 this weekend (at V8 atm) on my Nightblade then start on my DK while I wait for 1.1 to hit, plus the road ahead blog and all the features announced look great.

Alurria

temjiu wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

... I tried WS and find I hate the attitude of a dev who likes to call people who are not raiders "filthy casuals" I won't be buying that game.

Wow, that is pretty bad. I'd love to see a link to that, would be interesting to see the companies reaction to that going public.

wish I had a link for you it was being discussed in a thread in the WS forums.

vaxure

Still having as much fun as when i started i still have those moments when i'm just wandering around, on the way to a quest, gathering materials, or what ever i may be doing when i say to myself "I LOVE THIS GAME"!

Sue_D_Nim

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

To be honest, it's fizzled out a bit for me too.

It started when I hit vet content. I rolled a character on Daggerfall and Ebonheart because I detest the AD areas.

I've tried to level through them but I get half way through Auridon and delete it. I can't stand it. So what happens when I get my Daggerfall character to VR1 ..... it gets sent to Auridon.

This is what I've been afraid of. I'm deliberately taking my time with slow exploration of each zone, and a good bit of time spent just walking around harvesting, but one can't ignore the quests forever. I feel like I'm levelling too fast. Since Auridon especially, I feel like I'm just slicing through each zone like butter. Half the reason I move on from one zone to the next is that I've become overlevelled for that zone.

At this rate, I'm afraid I'll zip through all the zones before I know it, and then all I can do is repeat the same zones at veteran level. Is that true replayability? I spent two years in my former favorite MMORPG and never did reach endgame.

kellemdros

So.... to sum up... SOMEONE likes the vr levels?, the 1-50 is great ok, but someone like that ones?...

Maybe when they raise the xp reward in pvp you could rech vr 10 there?... XD

mutharex

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

wrlifeboil

Chomppa wrote: »

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Definition of stupid...doing something you don't enjoy on purpose.


Wild star is a great place for preteens and teenage boys to play with each other online. Its world of Warcraft with a new haircut.

I like both ESO and Wildstar , and I'm far from being a teen .

Wildstar at first glance might seem to be for kids but after you play a while, you can tell there is a side to the game that isn't. It almost has an '80's and '90's-like feel, from the dialogue to the background music to the environment. I doubt that kids nowadays would recognize the look and feel of a Sierra or Microprose game but that's the impression I got after playing ws for a few hours. Subtle nostalgia. Light hearted fun even on your typical mmo quests to kill stuff.

The combat responsiveness is great for a new mmo. Carbine did a good job on that front. No cases of the hotbar going inactive during combat like in you-know-where. And like eso, ws's servers are in Texas too and still the keypresses and movement didn't feel as mushy as in eso. The ws dialog ui is clunky though. Carbine needs to polish that part of the game. I hope they succeed with the game. They don't have the already existing user base that TES fans were for eso.

zaria

I have fun, VR zones are better for exploring as everything in one area is one level, no problem jumping a level up either so you can mess around more.

I do pvp with multiple guilds and plenty of dungeons with guilds.

Yes I understand people who don't like to quest and explore or do pvp just for fun get bored. I thought dungeon runs and pvp would be the main way of leveling in veteran and the quests was mostly to have something to do between.

wrlifeboil

mutharex wrote: »

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

One thing I look forward to in mmos is rolling alts to experience different classes and factions. VR leveling sucks out some of the anticipation of rolling an alt. Might as well keep the alts as mules because I don't think I'd go through VR leveling as is again.

If Wildstar were a b2p, I'd pick it up now but it isn't. Two mmos with monthly subscriptions would be one too many. Who would spend all that time on leveling and gearing characters in two mmos anyway.

mutharex

wrlifeboil wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

One thing I look forward to in mmos is rolling alts to experience different classes and factions. VR leveling sucks out some of the anticipation of rolling an alt. Might as well keep the alts as mules because I don't think I'd go through VR leveling as is again.

If Wildstar were a b2p, I'd pick it up now but it isn't. Two mmos with monthly subscriptions would be one too many. Who would spend all that time on leveling and gearing characters in two mmos anyway.

So why didn't you level alts while waiting for the devs to offer more avenues of VR levelling? The game is a month old, we still have to get Craglorn, they are raising PVP XP, we will get more content, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

This happens every time

wrlifeboil

mutharex wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

One thing I look forward to in mmos is rolling alts to experience different classes and factions. VR leveling sucks out some of the anticipation of rolling an alt. Might as well keep the alts as mules because I don't think I'd go through VR leveling as is again.

If Wildstar were a b2p, I'd pick it up now but it isn't. Two mmos with monthly subscriptions would be one too many. Who would spend all that time on leveling and gearing characters in two mmos anyway.

So why didn't you level alts while waiting for the devs to offer more avenues of VR levelling? The game is a month old, we still have to get Craglorn, they are raising PVP XP, we will get more content, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

This happens every time

Are you saying I should roll what would basically be dead-end alts to 50/VR1 and hope that ZOS makes VR leveling more palatable? That goes against everything I learned in mmos.

I'll see what's what with VR10s first. It's not like I'm locked in for six months or anything.

Zorak

mutharex wrote: »

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

Other things in RL ?

I do many things in my life and ESO is becoming one of the most boring ones. =(

I didn't rush to the veteran contet, gather materials, craft, complete all the things on the map, etc...

I'm not a total completionist but I don't skip many things, I don't rush and I do plenty of other things in my life.

But that doesn't change the fact that for many people, including me, this game is becoming very boring. (mainly the veteran content)

mutharex

wrlifeboil wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Seems that the people who are already at VR levels (well some of them) are bored.
I know everyone is free to play the way they like, but after countless MMOs where you burn out after a month isn't the case of realizing that taking your time and doing other things in RL as well leads you to a longer enjoyment?

As it happenes EVERY time a new MMO comes out...
You really think WS will be any different?

One thing I look forward to in mmos is rolling alts to experience different classes and factions. VR leveling sucks out some of the anticipation of rolling an alt. Might as well keep the alts as mules because I don't think I'd go through VR leveling as is again.

If Wildstar were a b2p, I'd pick it up now but it isn't. Two mmos with monthly subscriptions would be one too many. Who would spend all that time on leveling and gearing characters in two mmos anyway.

So why didn't you level alts while waiting for the devs to offer more avenues of VR levelling? The game is a month old, we still have to get Craglorn, they are raising PVP XP, we will get more content, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

This happens every time

Are you saying I should roll what would basically be dead-end alts to 50/VR1 and hope that ZOS makes VR leveling more palatable? That goes against everything I learned in mmos.

I'll see what's what with VR10s first. It's not like I'm locked in for six months or anything.

It's just a game. If I don't have fun doing something, I don't force myself to do it. Thankfully, I am having fun.

Anastasia

Moonscythe wrote: »

Speaking of randomly roaming for treasure chests, I could get into that but, I suck at the lockpicking game and with the timer and limited lockpicks I can't even practice to get better. I got good at lockpicking in Skyrim but this one is more like the one in Oblivion and I sucked at that one, too. I wish there was an alternate like a spell to open or make more time or something. I get so discouraged when I see a chest and just have to ignore it.

---

Moonscythe - no more skipping chests! *Winks and grins. I was the most suckiest lockpicker EVER, since pre-launch *giggles.

Then someone told me...1) Turn your speakers/volume up right before picking a chest - you will hear a change in the sounds as the rod gets to the point where you need to click, 2) Train your eye on the very top of the rod...it actually starts to tilt back and forth a tiny hair of a split second before the full on rod shake.

Practice, practice, practice and no more frustration ^-^. This is advice for in-game lock picking of course...good luck and get out there and start grabbing a lil' extra loot!

LoPony

Had fun till one day before I resubscribed ...

the day after, I tried PvP ... well its just not fun!
Then today I'm running from bug to bug! Right now I'm unable to use magicka potions (other potions work)! I died at least 5 times because of lag or not executing/working skills. Then there is this endless adds spawning quest-boss (Vaermina's Gambit) in stormhaven, that annoys me like hell.

I regret my subscrition.
The game is fun, but my frustration about all the bugs, EU server situation and all the other problem driving me crazy. In my last game I reached that point after over one year of playing ... this isn't a good sign!

temjiu

mutharex wrote: »

So why didn't you level alts while waiting for the devs to offer more avenues of VR levelling? The game is a month old, we still have to get Craglorn, they are raising PVP XP, we will get more content, Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

This happens every time

That's the thing that worries and puzzles me. different avenues to vr10-12...what are they going to do to provide different alternatives? and what about all the players that are already at vr12 when they start this "alternative" option? Are they supposed to wait with nothing to do while the people who didn't choose craiglorn or PvP to catch up?

regurgitating the content seemed exciting to me at first....until i realized it was actually more enjoyable to do the new content on a new alt. doing that same content that a lvl 8 alt would roll through at lvl 50...and getting pounded...takes allot of the fun of enjoyment out of it.

then you realize that you have only that to get you to vr10. and vr12 is group content only. for a game that was founded on "doing it your way" is getting quite one sided in how they are giving you options to level. to get to vr10 you have to do the other fractions areas, only 5x harder. and I doubt any amount of content from the dark brotherhood or thieves guild will make up for 10 VR levels worth of experience (remember...thats 2x the content that you played to level from 1-50). I doubt there will be alternatives for vr1 to vr10. which means your stuck.

And not to say that WS is going to be better...I honestly enjoy the look and style of ESO better...but it already has a more stable and smooth leveling curve, with more effectively designed end game content. It doesn't lock you into leveling "veteran levels" through the opposing fractions areas. and it gives you many options of what you want to do at end game.

Moonscythe

Hadria wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

Speaking of randomly roaming for treasure chests, I could get into that but, I suck at the lockpicking game and with the timer and limited lockpicks I can't even practice to get better. I got good at lockpicking in Skyrim but this one is more like the one in Oblivion and I sucked at that one, too. I wish there was an alternate like a spell to open or make more time or something. I get so discouraged when I see a chest and just have to ignore it.

What problem are you having with picking locks?

I'm not quick enough to let go at the first jiggle and then run out of time. If I had a lot of lockpicks I could find a simple chest somewhere no one would bother me and keep working at it until I got the knack but I'm not going to spend precious gold buying lockpicks to open a chest that will probably give me nothing special.

temjiu

Moonscythe wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

Speaking of randomly roaming for treasure chests, I could get into that but, I suck at the lockpicking game and with the timer and limited lockpicks I can't even practice to get better. I got good at lockpicking in Skyrim but this one is more like the one in Oblivion and I sucked at that one, too. I wish there was an alternate like a spell to open or make more time or something. I get so discouraged when I see a chest and just have to ignore it.

What problem are you having with picking locks?

I'm not quick enough to let go at the first jiggle and then run out of time. If I had a lot of lockpicks I could find a simple chest somewhere no one would bother me and keep working at it until I got the knack but I'm not going to spend precious gold buying lockpicks to open a chest that will probably give me nothing special.

another option is to find a building or area with a decent amount of cupboards or drawer units (chests drop them too). loot all the lootables, relog, repeat. in just a few cycles you should have a score or more of lockpicks, depending on the area.

If you consider this cheating, then by all means ignore the idea. I've seen posts indicating that Bethesda does not consider this cheating, so pick your poison IMO.

and just through leveling (and looting every container of this type) I usually have a full stack of lockpicks on every toon.

The_Drexill

Me and my wife are having alot of fun. It's an MMO, we knew what we were getting when we bought it. We're working on our VR's and PvPing a ton... Craglorn coming soon, I just don't see the problem.

Alternative would be raiding SOO for 8 more months in WoW I guess? I mean, it's been what...6 months so far?

xMovingTarget

Leveling my second Character already. So yea, i am having fun

frwinters_ESO

Couple of things. One, the term Nerf. Hate it. Classes need to be balanced as players build. It becomes very obvious certain combinations become superior, then everyone copies said combo and soon we will have the majority of the players in the game using said concept then it is no longer fun. Nerfing is balancing. It has to happen and needs to happen. Everything looks great on paper, but when the thought is implemented it doesn't always work out. Nerfing so to speak is never a bad thing.

Group content. There is so much group content I never understand why people complain there isn't. Pretty much only the main storyline quests and a few select quests are strictly single player. Everything else you can group. People like to play with there friends but what happens. I don't want to wait for my buddies so I get ahead and levels, then in different content then most and now were in different places in the game and don't quest together. That's what happens. Try making new friends. Use the group tool. Hell sometimes i go into a dungeon and just random group someone who is heading on the same path as me and we go clear content. We may never speak to each other in group until the end where we give hearty thank yous and move on.

MMO's need time and no one wants to give new MMO's the time they need to develop. People cry "oh they released to early". WoW didn't release with raid or end game content as it was but playing MMO's back then was very different then today. It took time to get to max level, now everyone just consumes content faster then a developer can produce it. Game isn't even out two months yet. Now people are talking about Wildstar, AkA WoW in space, and I am sure the same thing will happen in that game as ESO. People will burn through the content very quickly then complain. It has become the never ending cycle in most MMO's.

Misty

The most interesting and enjoyable mmo I have ever played, and I have played quite a few.

For me, the fun is not in the destination, it's in the getting there.
You have to remember it's a new game, more content will come eventually. If a mmo becomes a little tiresome, then usually a few months off is a good cure.

I played Wildstar beta, and had to give it up. It was just to daft to take serious or waste my time on, plus they have taken the cartoon look to the point of scribble.

Getorix

I had fun for as long as the story lasted, now im vet 10 and pvp is a broken zerg fest of campaign hoppers and I would say pve is full of morons who cant figure out simple boss mechanics but that would imply theres actually people doing vet dungeons.

Getorix

Misty wrote: »

I played Wildstar beta, and had to give it up. It was just to daft to take serious or waste my time on, plus they have taken the cartoon look to the point of scribble.

Yeah from what I saw of wildstar its a well made game run by some pretty smart people with great ideas, but Im having a really hard time getting passed the cartoon graphics, i thought the acting and jokes were funny as hell and over the top crazy, but that's really not what i want in my mmo.

Csub

Just finished my last story quest today on VR 1 already and started my first VR zone, after like 11 days of /played time. At first I was like "well, I was looking forward to this but now continue questing?", but then it just continued being addictive. I only did Stross M`kai but it was nice!

I wonder if we will get the option sometimes in the future that if we have already taken a character to VR10, we can skip either 1-50 or VR 1-10 on our next characters like with tutorial zones or if they will just simply make the questing faster.

Anyway, so far I am still having fun!

Oh and the final story quest was EPIC!