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Character creation delay to help botting
Xnemesis
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Why not make it so that after you delete and then reroll a character, you wont be able to create another one on the same account for 2-3 days. This would prevent the make a character, port to another bot, turn in a quest get cash, dump into the bank, then delete/reroll problem we are having.
Edited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 2:00PM 2
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TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭2-3 days? Terrible. People would have hard time on name reservation mode at launch with that. Want to reset your character? Roll Alt? 3 days? hahahaahahaha....
To deal with bots: Simply report them and let them be banned. Don' let them get to you otherwise.Edited by TheGrandAlliance on May 15, 2014 1:30PMIndeed it is so...1 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭First off its way past launch. Second everyone would be held to the same limitations, and lastly its a good trade off to prevent bot trains.
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Hearts✭✭✭These "bandaids" that people think are solutions are never going to actually stop professional botters, they earn anything from 1k per month to 1 million per month.
Solutions like this will only make it a hassle for normal players, professional botters are hard to kill and they wont be beaten by this, they wont even be slowed.
The only way to stop them is to find them and sue them, thats how blizzard does it.2 -
dietlime✭✭✭✭These "bandaids" that people think are solutions are never going to actually stop professional botters, they earn anything from 1k per month to 1 million per month.
Solutions like this will only make it a hassle for normal players, professional botters are hard to kill and they wont be beaten by this, they wont even be slowed.
The only way to stop them is to find them and sue them, thats how blizzard does it.
You are ignorant of game design. The only way to stop cheating in any video game is through a number of combined efforts none of which would individually work. You just deter them.
ESO needs a traditional running process scanning anti-cheat to catch commonly used .exe macro tools. It needs camera drift, addon API limitations, and bot pattern recognition in game. It probably needs a short delay for character creation too.
And people will still cheat, just not so many.0 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭I doubt they ban single characters but the whole account.
Ok this is the problem you report a bot that is literally only around for 2-3 minutes before it is deleted by the program owner. The program makes a character. They zone into said zone do a non combat quest for a gold reward. They deposit the gold then delete the character. Rinse repeat. You can report all you want but the character will be deleted before you can do anything. This is why you want the delay. not because I feel ZoS is only deleting characters.
Also If you have a main and want to re roll an alt go ahead. What I am saying is if you DELETE a character and reroll you can only do this once every 2-3 days. Quit acting like this will affect you or the people who play the game more than the bots will
Edited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 1:39PM0 -
Shillen✭✭✭I've accidentally chosen the wrong class, race or faction on a few different occasions and had to remake my char. I find their char creation a little confusing to be honest.Please LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.1
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TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭Ok this is the problem you report a bot that is literally only around for 2-3 minutes before it is deleted by the program owner. The program makes a character. They zone into said zone do a non combat quest for a gold reward. They deposit the gold then delete the character. Rinse repeat. You can report all you want but the character will be deleted before you can do anything. This is why you want the delay. not because I feel ZoS is only deleting characters.
Also If you have a main and want to re roll an alt go ahead. What I am saying is if you DELETE a character and reroll you can only do this once every 2-3 days. Quit acting like this will affect you or the people who play the game more than the bots will
BOts don't operate like this. They level over and over... grinding various areas. Plenty of time to report.Indeed it is so...1 -
Actually Blizzard has had limited success in civil court, and that in the US. They've had more success simply buying up the smaller botting companies. Even with that HonorBuddy bots are still going strong since Germany's civil court system has a different take on "botting".These "bandaids" that people think are solutions are never going to actually stop professional botters, they earn anything from 1k per month to 1 million per month.
Solutions like this will only make it a hassle for normal players, professional botters are hard to kill and they wont be beaten by this, they wont even be slowed.
The only way to stop them is to find them and sue them, thats how blizzard does it.
So yes, Blizzard has had relative success battling bots but even with their billions they can't eradicate it.
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Xnemesis✭✭✭✭I've accidentally chosen the wrong class, race or faction on a few different occasions and had to remake my char. I find their char creation a little confusing to be honest.
Ok I guess you just don't get it.... If you ----"DELETE A CHARACTER AND REROLL" ---- you will encounter said delay if you try to make another character. Or a better yet look at it as a timer on the DELETE character feature.
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Niliu✭✭✭I've accidentally chosen the wrong class, race or faction on a few different occasions and had to remake my char. I find their char creation a little confusing to be honest.
This might be a "you" problem. Never had any difficulty making a character... Ever...Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me1 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭TheGrandAlliance wrote: »Ok this is the problem you report a bot that is literally only around for 2-3 minutes before it is deleted by the program owner. The program makes a character. They zone into said zone do a non combat quest for a gold reward. They deposit the gold then delete the character. Rinse repeat. You can report all you want but the character will be deleted before you can do anything. This is why you want the delay. not because I feel ZoS is only deleting characters.
Also If you have a main and want to re roll an alt go ahead. What I am saying is if you DELETE a character and reroll you can only do this once every 2-3 days. Quit acting like this will affect you or the people who play the game more than the bots will
BOts don't operate like this. They level over and over... grinding various areas. Plenty of time to report.
Guess you have not been to Coldharbour or windhelm lately0 -
Shillen✭✭✭
Does that invalidate my point? Should I not be able to make a new character for a couple days because I chose the wrong option in creation?
Please LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭TheGrandAlliance wrote: »
BOts don't operate like this. They level over and over... grinding various areas. Plenty of time to report.
The accounts that exploit a once-only quest to get 250gp in a few seconds aren't the same ones as are grinding bosses or nodes. These accounts create a stream of use once and throw away characters, which is why limiting an account to creating 2 or 3 toons a day would limit them.
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Does that invalidate my point? Should I not be able to make a new character for a couple days because I chose the wrong option in creation?
Nothing will stop you its only when you delete and reroll you lose the ability to do it again you just aren't understanding. Its basically a cd on the delete function. So no worries you poor life decisions will be ok up to 8 poor decisions, although at that point you should just quit the gameEdited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 1:49PM0 -
TheGrandAlliance wrote: »Ok this is the problem you report a bot that is literally only around for 2-3 minutes before it is deleted by the program owner. The program makes a character. They zone into said zone do a non combat quest for a gold reward. They deposit the gold then delete the character. Rinse repeat. You can report all you want but the character will be deleted before you can do anything. This is why you want the delay. not because I feel ZoS is only deleting characters.
Also If you have a main and want to re roll an alt go ahead. What I am saying is if you DELETE a character and reroll you can only do this once every 2-3 days. Quit acting like this will affect you or the people who play the game more than the bots will
BOts don't operate like this. They level over and over... grinding various areas. Plenty of time to report.
Bots operate in very many different ways actually, personally i seen/detected 20 diffrent ways without even having spent much of an effort on doing so0 -
TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭BOts don't operate like this. They level over and over... grinding various areas. Plenty of time to report.
Guess you have not been to Coldharbour or windhelm lately[/quote]
I am there all the time. However I am on EU side so it may be NA tactic you are seeing if so. ON EU side I see plenty of bot armies... that stay in game for long periods of time and thus are reportable.Indeed it is so...0 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
Botters/Farmers shouldn't have their "character" interfered with, they need their entire account interfered with.
Within; Without.1 -
Niliu✭✭✭
Does that invalidate my point? Should I not be able to make a new character for a couple days because I chose the wrong option in creation?
Well it kinda does invalidate your point. If you made a mistake, that's your problem, you deal with the consequences. Character creation in this game is not hard, at all. Selecting a name, race, alliance, class and gender takes all of 30 seconds. It's the picking and choosing what you want it to look like that can take time. But as long as you aren't rushing through it, you'll be fine. Hell, I kept hitting the randomize button until I landed on a look I liked.Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Yes. But use-once bots are hard to report. They are only in game for a few moments and even if they get reported they no longer exist when a GM checks them. Maybe even their data logs etc are gone.1
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Blizzard tried that with Warden and the outcry was deafening once the tech savvy realized what they were doing. Blizzard quickly scaled Warden back to scanning only game memory client side.ESO needs a traditional running process scanning anti-cheat to catch commonly used .exe macro tools.
Scanning processes is a waste of time anyway since a botter can change the name of the bot program's executable easily. Most bot programs have that option in the settings.
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Shillen✭✭✭
Does that invalidate my point? Should I not be able to make a new character for a couple days because I chose the wrong option in creation?
Well it kinda does invalidate your point. If you made a mistake, that's your problem, you deal with the consequences. Character creation in this game is not hard, at all. Selecting a name, race, alliance, class and gender takes all of 30 seconds. It's the picking and choosing what you want it to look like that can take time. But as long as you aren't rushing through it, you'll be fine. Hell, I kept hitting the randomize button until I landed on a look I liked.
Wow, you live in a much harsher world than I. So if I miss the bus irl I should not be able to take the bus for 3 days. Don't let me on the next one.
Edited by Shillen on May 15, 2014 1:52PMPlease LOL my comments. I'm an aspiring comedian.1 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
Botters/Farmers shouldn't have their "character" interfered with, they need their entire account interfered with.
Obviously yes they need the accounts dealt with but this will help with the endless spawn of bots into wayshrines. They will have to implement a multitude of changes to combat bots. That being said this is one change that would leave a minimal footprint with players in game.Edited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 2:07PM0 -
Niliu✭✭✭
Does that invalidate my point? Should I not be able to make a new character for a couple days because I chose the wrong option in creation?
Well it kinda does invalidate your point. If you made a mistake, that's your problem, you deal with the consequences. Character creation in this game is not hard, at all. Selecting a name, race, alliance, class and gender takes all of 30 seconds. It's the picking and choosing what you want it to look like that can take time. But as long as you aren't rushing through it, you'll be fine. Hell, I kept hitting the randomize button until I landed on a look I liked.
Wow, you live in a much harsher world than I. So if I miss the bus irl I should not be able to take the bus for 3 days. Don't let me on the next one.
No, but if you miss the bus and you're late for work, don't blame the bus, blame your poor planning.Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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I guess you don't get it, you said after you create a character (even if you delete it) you can't create a new one for 2-3 DAYS, asking someone to play a nightblade (for example) for three days before they can create a new character is a form of harrassment. (I'm levelling a nightblade, but it's a dreadful class, nice idea, bad exectution)I've accidentally chosen the wrong class, race or faction on a few different occasions and had to remake my char. I find their char creation a little confusing to be honest.
Ok I guess you just don't get it.... If you ----"DELETE A CHARACTER AND REROLL" ---- you will encounter said delay if you try to make another character. Or a better yet look at it as a timer on the DELETE character feature.
Not saying @Shillen is talking about Nightblades, but they do make a good example of why this would be unpopular.
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Two or three characters in 24 hours seems ample if it means throwing a real spanner in the bot-works.1
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Xnemesis✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
I guess you don't get it, you said after you create a character (even if you delete it) you can't create a new one for 2-3 DAYS, asking someone to play a nightblade (for example) for three days before they can create a new character is a form of harrassment. (I'm levelling a nightblade, but it's a dreadful class, nice idea, bad exectution)I've accidentally chosen the wrong class, race or faction on a few different occasions and had to remake my char. I find their char creation a little confusing to be honest.
Ok I guess you just don't get it.... If you ----"DELETE A CHARACTER AND REROLL" ---- you will encounter said delay if you try to make another character. Or a better yet look at it as a timer on the DELETE character feature.
Not saying @Shillen is talking about Nightblades, but they do make a good example of why this would be unpopular.
ok idk how to make it easier for you cause I cant type slower..... if you happen to screw up on 8 different characters and need to delete one and reroll you will be hit with a timer on your next delete. I sincerely doubt you will need to keep deleting and rerolling your 8th character slot. So no its great execution and would have a serious impact on the types of botters this is aimed at.
VR3 NB I know your pain btwEdited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 2:01PM0 -
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✭its a good idea. I know for a fact, unless you are a totally new player the chances of making a new character is pretty low, more so once you have gotten sure of yourself and the remaining slots become little more than storage.
slowing down creation to one new character every few days or even a week would be a powerful deterrent against the "one and done" bots like those spamming coldharbor. it would not stop the combat ones but the spammers would no longer be able to spam a single quest and would effectively put a end to that type of farming.
i think the cons to the real players is worth it for the pros of the damage done to botting. its also not uncommon to see this kind of thing in MMOs, where often you have to pay to make additional characters. imo the 8 characters per account thing was already a bit much. (even tho i personally play 4 differant classed characters, all of who are 40+ with one VR1)
because you can freely reroll your skills and attributes, the need to "remake" a character is non-existant. the most you might do is make a new character in a differant class to try that class out for yourself.I play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭I am glad some people are getting the idea behind the concept of what essentially would be a CD on the delete character function. This would eradicate the once and done form of botting with minimal impact to those who are in the game playing legitimately. Wish a ZoS Dev would see this idea and put it into action. Seems much better then removing a quest reward.Edited by Xnemesis on May 15, 2014 2:18PM0
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
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Why does that matter?You can report all you want but the character will be deleted before you can do anything.
ZOS' logs presumably record that character's existence so even if it's deleted it can be shown to have once existed. The CSR looking into the report can then view that account's history to demonstrate this behaviour and action accordingly.
IF ZOS logs aren't recording it then it's a total fail they need to fix. I've seem mention of quick deleting supposedly defeating ZOS logging, I really hope that's not true but one never knows.
Edited by KerinKor on May 15, 2014 2:25PM1 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭There are literally hundreds of bots continously falling from the sky in some locations, spend a few seconds in the world and delete themselves. How do you imagine these are going to get reported?
Two or 3 characters a day is a perfectly reasonable compromise to end this exploit.1