Is the Game Dying already?

Ravinsild

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

It appears from the small sample of evidence in this thread that only AD appears to be inflicted, other alliances are thriving.

I'm in the AD, progressing through VR content with my main and leveling nice and slowly with an alt. I have zero problems getting people together for dolmens, world bosses, dungeons, etc. I have literally no idea what you're talking about, and the entire thread title is so inflammatory that you pretty much lost all hope of making a viable point before you started writing.

I'm sorry you find the observations I have written based on my own experience and point of view to be emotionally inflammatory.

Also, I doubt you have "literally" no idea, I'm sure you can use your imagination and if you critically think about the observation stated, put yourself in a state of mind where you could come up with some idea of what I'm speaking about. Perhaps not replicated perfectly, but I can imagine, from what I assume is your point of view, where the game is thriving, zone chat is continually flooded, and your guild is active as ever. However those are not my current experiences, which lead me to ask the question in the first place and to ask the very viable question...has anyone else experienced something similar or is it just me?

It appears some have, and some have not and the common denominator appears to be the faction they are in. However, I never actually criticized the game...so to be so strongly affected by my statements as to call them "inflammatory" makes me question you...but I digress.

I'm in Aldmeri Dominion and have a Veteran Rank 2 Nightblade, in addition to a Veteran Rank 4 Templar...respectively Deshaan and Eastmarch zones, and it seems the main towns are very devoid of other players, and the zones are quite quiet with almost no motif advertisement. Perhaps it's more active in the higher veteran ranks as people have passed me by?

PBpsy

I consider being able to form groups around dolmens and worlds bosses much more indicative of the game's health. I had no problem with that in VR6-8 zones Ebonheart Pact NA this past week and I bet that those zones are still very low population compared to lvl 1-50 zones.
The chat in my VR trade guilds is very busy. I have also seen a Daedric motif in a guild store for 100k . It was apparently sold in two days. Those things are now probably extremely rare and the market that is willing to pay for them very low.

Vorkk8383

Since the ''free'' 30 days are over, I think that quite a few didn't choose to renew for one reason or another. There's a lot of issues with the game. Some are angered by X specific factor and moved on. Others rushed and are waiting for more content. Others moved to other games.

Personally, I'm leveling slow so the content lasts and I'm going to try to stick it out as long as I can because with just a few fixes, the game could already be much better. It just started so I'm hoping that it will improve. The one thing that frustrates me is the lack of communication from Zeni's part. Let's take one random example: The jute bug atm. Several people have asked, I don't really see an official answer. When people feel ignored, they tend to get a bit angry and some can't take it...they move on. If Zeni had a plan of things that are upcoming or on the short list/important to do list, a lot of people may think ''oh ya that would make me happy enough to wait for it'' and they would save some accounts (at least I feel they would).

kieso

Last couple of days in AD NA I've seen plenty of zone chatter regarding buying and selling of rarer motifs and vamp/ww bites.

this has been mostly in the Malabag tor (sp?) area

PBpsy

In VR zones talk about selling motifs has been always rare for some reason.I only seen motif spam in normal areas were you have vamp/WW spawns.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if it was felt more in AD. Not being in AD i cant say for sure, but right before launch AD did get a lot of push as the 'best' faction. Best starting zone, best quest, best pvp. A bunch of talk that would typically entice those hungry for the rush, game hoppers we all know and love.

Viblo

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

I don't see it on Daggerfall at all, very busy, but I do agree that AD is quieter and it's damned nice and I, for one, never have zone chat on and I'm sure there are a lot of players like me.

You may see less of an AD presence in pve zones. I've joined all of the different pvp compaigns looking for one that I might like the best and AD was winning every single one of them during the time I had joined. This could account for the lower AD presence in pve, AD seems to have a larger presence in pvp.

Kenthros

I don't join zone chat because of the constant spam of bots. every time i log in i go to my guilds chat tab and that's it. Wish i could talk with everyone, but i don't want to see that crap.

ZiRM

VR8-10 has seemed like a ghost town, actually since I hit VR2 it has.

Lord_Hev

Wait till you hit VR 1 and see how active the zone chat in Stonewalls is... It's almost impossible to keep up.

Ravinsild

I suppose you missed the post about the fact I had a Veteran Rank 2 and 4 character, and I spent some time in Stonefall...I did not see this crazy active zone chat, not really.

Edit: I was there last night. Perhaps Tuesday is just an off-night in general.

Falmer

No. Its just people are changing their behavior.

Selling motifs? Most people already have them, or have come to realize you can get them pretty much within an hour for free if you wanted them.

Zone chat quiet? I don't know about you but I can't stand zone chat on for more than a few minutes before the immaturity and rants make me disable it again.

Ravinsild

Falmer wrote: »

No. Its just people are changing their behavior.

Selling motifs? Most people already have them, or have come to realize you can get them pretty much within an hour for free if you wanted them.

Zone chat quiet? I don't know about you but I can't stand zone chat on for more than a few minutes before the immaturity and rants make me disable it again.

It seems to be the best way to buy things, however...it's essentially trade chat. I asked in all my guilds nobody had any of the rare motifs (or they did and just didn't want to sell).

PBpsy

Ravinsild wrote: »

Falmer wrote: »

No. Its just people are changing their behavior.

Selling motifs? Most people already have them, or have come to realize you can get them pretty much within an hour for free if you wanted them.

Zone chat quiet? I don't know about you but I can't stand zone chat on for more than a few minutes before the immaturity and rants make me disable it again.

It seems to be the best way to buy things, however...it's essentially trade chat. I asked in all my guilds nobody had any of the rare motifs (or they did and just didn't want to sell).

You probably need better trading guilds. Use zone chat to ask for a Good VR trading guild invite.See how many invites do you get.

Brittany_Joy

It is not really dying lol, all the people are veterans so they're either at high level zones or the next veteran zone. Judging from how slow it is to level a character alone I doubt everyone will be rushing to make an alt character.

Also it could be how the megaserver works, to me it seems like it still splits us up into different servers but it makes it easier to merge servers that have low population. I am not sure of this though but its what I think. I also never seen anyone speak a different language which was odd to me since there is only 2 megaservers. Perhaps they still split us up.

However, the population is declining because ZoS is making terrible nerfing and fixing choices. Several werewolf players already cancelled their subscription because they fixed a bug that made being a werewolf fun and it wasn't OP. I already cancelled my subscription because of that terrible werewolf fix but I still have 176 days for ZoS to change my mind.

zaria

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I haven't actually noticed any of those things. 2 of the 3 guilds i am in are still getting bigger, and i still routinely turn of chat because it spams off guild chat. Although i never try to buy anything in chat so i never pay attention to what people are selling.

But everyone knows DC is much cooler the AD, so that is probably why.

Same here in AD, my main guilds has grown.

It might be primary trade location, for AD it looks like primary trade location is the Khajiit tradepost in Reapers march who is prime location for WTS, WTB but I don't use this much more.

Alurria

Deader than Marleys ghost (rolls eyes)

Natjur

No the game is not dyeing yet, that comes in patch 1.1
Oh dying... my bad, nevermind

Lazrael

Well, I do think that we're hitting the end of that hype high, and people will be leaving more frequently for the moment. That said, what happens in the coming month or two will be a big deciding factor. You will have the group of people, a lot of whom will be bigger ES fans, that will stick with it, and thankfully that's a pretty large population of people. IF ZOS manages to add compelling content, implement what the players want/need, and most importantly, FIX THE BUGS AND BALANCE ISSUES, then those players will stick around, and it will stand a chance to pull back those that left, as well as bring new players. The game hasn't been out that long, and with an MMO, its a matter of the longer haul more than anything. Fingers crossed, because ES is one of my favorite franchises, and I would like to see this entry do well.

Sarenia

lecarcajou_ESO wrote: »

I know speech bubbles would clash with ESO's philosophy of immersive design with a minimum of interface distractions, but how about an option to turn on speech bubbles for those who wouldn't mind a bit of conversational clutter now and then?

Addons can allow for speech bubbles. They made a public API specifically to allow people to add their own flavor tweaks like this.

Take some time to peruse ESOUI and sate your chat bubble need.

Tarwin

Yes in fact it has already been cancelled. I'm actually quite surprised we can still post here

poodlemasterb16_ESO

I have chars in all three factions, several in each.

I can find quieter times at the ends of my play, 4 am PST, but generally it's just a crowded as it was at the start. I guess it's a bit less but not by much. Zone chat runs constantly and I keep it around for the laughs myself.

Selstad

I don't think the game is dying but it's going through a phase. It's always like that in any MMOs, you have the high peak of release, then you have to plunge afterwards. The climb after that is the hard one, getting people to the game and to subscribe for it.

One of the biggest problem we have today though, is that every MMO out there has a mark, and what ever they try to do, that mark will resist even upon release. That mark is 2 folded and is the epitome of what any new MMOs are judged after:

1. If it has resemblance to WoW's system in any given way, it's a WoW clone and that's bad.
2. If it doesn't have a resemblance to WoW's system in any given way, it's not a WoW clone and that's bad.

Short story thus is; be it a WoW clone or not, it's still bad.

As long as an MMO can manage to crawl over that, it might - just might - succeed. I for once hope that we soon get any new MMOs that are lasting before people discard them. I for once am sick and tired of WoW and having to go to WoW to find a semblance of community - even one as rotten as WoW's. I really fear for the MMO genre's continuation if people won't judge a new MMOs on its own merits instead of its ability to be or not be a WoW clone.

Thesiren

Please stop it with the Drama Llama stuff. Not only have all drops from containers been nerfed (resulting in many empty ones, effectively nerfing the drop rate on motifs as well), but a lot of people have them all so they're not bothering to farm them anymore. They've moved on to the upper reaches of the game by now, and are doing other things.

There is still more chat than you can read in every faction, and that doesn't even count those in instanced dungeons, doing VR content, or Cyrodiil PvP, etc.

The sky isn't falling, little birdie. Chill out.

Badh0rse

Every mmo I have ever played has had a huge drop after launch month. It certainly doesn't mean the game will die it's just the second month blues they all go through. Games are always all messed up in the start .... people leave and wait for it to be fixed or move on to the next "new thing". I think that if ESO fixes some of the obvious issues it has it will have a huge and amazing player base. It just might take a little while to smooth out all these crappy wrinkles.

jircris11

i still run in to a lot of people in the AD faction, infact more now then before.

PBpsy

gamebouncerb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes in fact it has already been cancelled. I'm actually quite surprised we can still post here

Thanks for the very insightful post.

Grimnix173

I don't think this game is dying, but it has a real real bad cough.

All my friends have quit and they were MMO players. They couldn't get into the game I guess and Veteran leveling pretty much was the nail in the coffin.

Also Cyrodiil's cool factor wears off after about 30-50 hours of played I'd say. So people who joined this game strictly for the PvP are quitting because of the outdated design of that zone. Its just way too Casual.

The more and more I think about it this game was designed for 35-55 year old players and not the core of MMO's today the 18-30 year olds. I honestly feel like this game will be free to play. The incentive to resub just isn't there for a pvp minded player as myself.

Sidenote: I'm a v10dk, I like pvp combat, the builds, the actual battles. but the zergy zerg keep stuff is just boring and if I'm going to log on and play for an hour and a half I want to be in combat fighting for at least 2/3's of that time. This not the case, small scale pvp is something you have to hunt out and force.

As for my guilds. If I scroll down to about the half way mark of the roaster the avg time since logged in is somewhere between 15-20 days...Means people played for two weeks and arnt coming back.

I want this game to rock, but I can't get my friends back here. I'm v10 and the games flaws are sticking out so much that I don't even know if I'm going to resub next month..These aren't small problems. There are design issues (mainly centered around pvp) that make me feel more and more that ESO doesn't want to lock down the 18-28 year old market. They are trying to get that casual player who logs on for 2 hours of quest every few nights and pvps when he/she is bored of questing...These aren't MMO players these people sound like console players to me.

Anyways I've noticed people not logging back in. My contact list has turned into a ghost town and my guilds are filled with new players with stars in there eyes and old players that quit weeks ago.

The wildstar open beta could be sucking people away. Them releasing an open beta during ESO's first Resub month was so dirty..

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Grimnix173 wrote: »

I don't think this game is dying, but it has a real real bad cough.

All my friends have quit and they were MMO players. They couldn't get into the game I guess and Veteran leveling pretty much was the nail in the coffin.

Also Cyrodiil's cool factor wears off after about 30-50 hours of played I'd say. So people who joined this game strictly for the PvP are quitting because of the outdated design of that zone. Its just way too Casual.

The more and more I think about it this game was designed for 35-55 year old players and not the core of MMO's today the 18-30 year olds. I honestly feel like this game will be free to play. The incentive to resub just isn't there for a pvp minded player as

There are design issues (mainly centered around pvp) that make me feel more and more that ESO doesn't want to lock down the 18-28 year old market. They are trying to get that casual player who logs on for 2 hours of quest every few nights and pvps when he/she is bored of questing...These aren't MMO players these people sound like console players to me.
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I guess my question would be this. Do you think they hit the market they aimed at? Several times in this statement you seem to imply that they did and it wasn't you or your friends market. You say several times it was a design decision. Do you think there are fewer people then they thought in the market they were aiming at? Because, unless they missed the market they tried to hit, or there were fewer people in that market then they thought, I'm not sure why the pricing structure would change.

Zorak

Grimnix173 wrote: »

I don't think this game is dying, but it has a real real bad cough.

All my friends have quit and they were MMO players. They couldn't get into the game I guess and Veteran leveling pretty much was the nail in the coffin.

Also Cyrodiil's cool factor wears off after about 30-50 hours of played I'd say. So people who joined this game strictly for the PvP are quitting because of the outdated design of that zone. Its just way too Casual.

The more and more I think about it this game was designed for 35-55 year old players and not the core of MMO's today the 18-30 year olds. I honestly feel like this game will be free to play. The incentive to resub just isn't there for a pvp minded player as myself.

Sidenote: I'm a v10dk, I like pvp combat, the builds, the actual battles. but the zergy zerg keep stuff is just boring and if I'm going to log on and play for an hour and a half I want to be in combat fighting for at least 2/3's of that time. This not the case, small scale pvp is something you have to hunt out and force.

As for my guilds. If I scroll down to about the half way mark of the roaster the avg time since logged in is somewhere between 15-20 days...Means people played for two weeks and arnt coming back.

I want this game to rock, but I can't get my friends back here. I'm v10 and the games flaws are sticking out so much that I don't even know if I'm going to resub next month..These aren't small problems. There are design issues (mainly centered around pvp) that make me feel more and more that ESO doesn't want to lock down the 18-28 year old market. They are trying to get that casual player who logs on for 2 hours of quest every few nights and pvps when he/she is bored of questing...These aren't MMO players these people sound like console players to me.

Anyways I've noticed people not logging back in. My contact list has turned into a ghost town and my guilds are filled with new players with stars in there eyes and old players that quit weeks ago.

The wildstar open beta could be sucking people away. Them releasing an open beta during ESO's first Resub month was so dirty..

^ this !!!

"No, Cyrodiil as the only PvP mode is just fine. Small scale PvP is bad, it would destroy balance and detract players from cyrodiil, you can get plenty of small scale action there."

Well...