How can I remove my character's top?

Archmage

I have noticed many male player characters running around Tamriel, without a top. However, my female character seems to be broken. Whenever I remove her armor, she instantly appears with a black bikini.

ESO received an "M" for mature rating. So, having purchased the game, I wondered why male and female characters are treated differently. Is this a bug, or a "feature?" In New York city, i.e. "the real world" a woman may go topless, any place a man can go topless. However in this implementation of the fictional world of Tamriel, women must cover-up.

In the United States, the 14th amendment guarantees equal protection under the law. So where is the equal treatment in the game world? The Terms of Use take a stand against racism and religious persecution, but the game itself apparently actively supports sexism.

Outside of the U.S. in "civilized" countries, women are also entitled to the same rights and freedoms as men.

Furthermore, as a player I can over-indulge in intoxicating substances. I can slice, bash, hack, blast, burn or electrocute numerous NPC's of both genders. I can lie, cheat and steal from NPC's. But I cannot go topless. That's a very interesting, if not twisted message.

So, is this a bug, or is ESO discriminating against women?

Munku

Wow Lol. I think *** sites are that way. -->

Thesiren

Oh please, all your "law" stuff is a cheesy excuse. Quit being an immature perv. Can't you find something more important to post?

ClaudiaMay

Hey Face! Meet desk!

/facedesk

Basil_oz

The process is apparently quite simple.

1. Invite toon to go out to the tavern.

2. Buy toon an excessive amount of drinks.

3. Use emote /flirt

[However, both in virtual reality and actual reality, it hasn't worked for me!]

rawne1980b16_ESO

I recommend Age of Conan for all your topless women needs .... there are hordes of them.

Quite a lot of sites on the internet cater to that very desire too,

After all, it's what the internet was invented for.

Zionysus

Your reasoning actually is valid, it's just that barking about this in a video game originated from America is silly.

This is an American thing. Europe doesn't have a hang up on nudity. You can show any part of the female breast on TV, just not the [snip]. See, I'm even afraid to type it correctly. We've been brainwashed. It's ok to show gore and blood to your kids at dinner time, just no [snip]. Bums and boob flesh ok, just no n or v. You can show a man's [snip] up close on tv. Get right in there... Heck you can show it in video games just fine (go play ME3 and see Kaiden in the hospital). Just don't show female n's. lol.

Heck another argument could be that there were no brassiere designs in this time frame. Swimsuits? What's that. Especially for the poor. Which the soul less one starts out to be.

But hey, it's not that the devs care whether there's bikini tops or not ( I mean some might), they just don't want to lose players that are squeamish about this sort of thing.

For example the players that posted above me are obviously squeamish making fun and being rude. It's a defense against embarrassment. No biggie. One suggests that showing breasts means you must go to a pron site? Really? lol

But I digress.

Aellaren

I cant believe this needs to be explained, I dont think you understand sexism lol. The male is bare skinned because it's not considered a sexual or inappropriate part of the male form. You'll find the male toon also wears underwear without his armor, as the female does. Also this was exactly the same in all the other original TES games, only with mods were the characters nude,
If you're looking for nude characters this is not the game you are looking for lol. And it is not discrimination or sexism, as a female i can verify this lol.

Zionysus

Aellaren wrote: »

The male is bare skinned because it's not considered a sexual or inappropriate part of the male form.

See this is my point and although my point may be off the topic a little this is funny for me.

So the woman's upper parts are sexual or inappropriate? This is the type of person that will call the FCC at night and rant if she see a [snip] at dinner time. But her kids can watch beheadings all night long.

Please explain how the female breast is sexual! And why are they inappropriate but the male's aren't?

The male chest is not considered inappropriate but the female's is? By whom? You? A small, percentage embarrassed by nudity.

Zionysus

Another player just started a post about too much casual death. lol That's so funny. No, no, casual death is perfectly fine in American culture. Just don't show the female chest buttons. haha. We'll have to make jokes about you and spit on you.

SirAndy

Zionysus wrote: »

Please explain how the female breast is sexual!

Seriously? You're actually asking people to explain this to you?

Archmage

Aellaren wrote: »

I cant believe this needs to be explained, I dont think you understand sexism lol. The male is bare skinned because it's not considered a sexual or inappropriate part of the male form. You'll find the male toon also wears underwear without his armor, as the female does. Also this was exactly the same in all the other original TES games, only with mods were the characters nude,
If you're looking for nude characters this is not the game you are looking for lol. And it is not discrimination or sexism, as a female i can verify this lol.

I beg to differ. I do understand sexism. Furthermore I understand the legal protections granted under the 14th amendment. If you do not define "unequal treatment based upon gender" as sexism, then exactly what is your definition?

I did not comment on "underwear" since both genders are treated equally in this case. I am not requesting total nudity, I am requesting equality. In the case of shirts, tops, etc., female characters are treated differently than male characters, hence the label of sexism.

I'm glad that you don't feel as-if you are being treated unfairly. However, it would be arrogant and presumptuous for you to believe that you represent all of the women playing this game. If you are a woman, as you indicate in your post, I would have hoped that you would lend your support to those women who do feel oppressed, regardless of your personal feelings. Nobody is forcing you to go topless, but shouldn't we be allowed?

The irony here is that if a woman can't even be treated fairly in a *virtual* world, how could one expect to be treated fairly in the real world?

SirAndy

Archmage wrote: »

... my female character seems to be broken ... In the United States, the 14th amendment guarantees equal protection under the law. So where is the equal treatment in the game world? ...

So you're upset because your in-game female character isn't protected by a US amendment?

May i suggest you write a letter to your congress representative. I'm sure such injustice won't go unnoticed!
;-)

jamesgiordaneb17_ESO

Heh guys, look, over there ----> there's real life, with real life problems going on

Now if you want to discuss those, go do that on a place that is appropriate, otherwise can we all just enjoy the unreality that is ESO

Basil_oz

Zionysus wrote: »

The male chest is not considered inappropriate but the female's is? By whom? You? A small, percentage embarrassed by nudity.

By the people who do marketing for a product who's biggest market is the USA.

I'm afraid that when it comes to dollars, it always beats ethical equality or the dualism of standards.

As you mentioned earlier, the US is particularly sensitive to the [snip] and [snip]... however a good decapitation or mutilation, ehhhh they can live with!

It all comes down to the dollar.

And there isn't any money in creating a specialist European edition (or for us Aussies, Bondi Beach edition).

Which (at the risk of sounding like I'm embarrassed by nudity because I love having a joke) would possibly be marketed as the "Lounge Suit Larry" edition.

Tyr

Archmage wrote: »

...In New York city, i.e. "the real world" a woman may go topless, any place a man can go topless...

Troll

Melian

It's nice to know we ladies have selfless, noble guys like y'all to stand up for our rights. *eyeroll*

Zionysus

SirAndy wrote: »

Zionysus wrote: »

Please explain how the female breast is sexual!

Seriously? You're actually asking people to explain this to you?

The female breast is sexual? It may make you aroused, but SirAndy, it has nothing, I mean, NOTHING, to do with sex. Again, arousal, is not sex. It doesn't make the baby.

So if that doesn't help you, explain to me why the man's buttons aren't sexual?

PBpsy

Anyone remember that mod in Skyrim...
Me neither.

Archmage

Melian wrote: »

It's nice to know we ladies have selfless, noble guys like y'all to stand up for our rights. *eyeroll*

Are you calling me a guy? Is Archmage now a male title? I suppose if I said "doctor" that must be a man, but "nurse" must be a woman?

Are there no women who want to be treated fairly?

Zionysus

Melian wrote: »

It's nice to know we ladies have selfless, noble guys like y'all to stand up for our rights. *eyeroll*

I hope you're not talking about me. I could care less about your rights. I'm too old for that crap. I'm just pointing out the silly hypocrisy of this discussion.

Casual death is fine in a video game, but equal nudity is not. Believe me, it doesn't bother me either way. Just having fun with people's reasoning, or lack thereof.

Zionysus

jamesgiordaneb17_ESO wrote: »

Heh guys, look, over there ----> there's real life, with real life problems going on

Now if you want to discuss those, go do that on a place that is appropriate, otherwise can we all just enjoy the unreality that is ESO

We are talking about the video game. Chill.

PBpsy

Are there any guys that are not playing female characters?

Zionysus

PBpsy wrote: »

Are there any guys that are not playing female characters?

I play a guy, but they do run funny. Not... effeminate, but... goofy. The women do run and walk sexier. lol

Melian

Archmage wrote: »

Melian wrote: »

It's nice to know we ladies have selfless, noble guys like y'all to stand up for our rights. *eyeroll*

Are you calling me a guy? Is Archmage now a male title? I suppose if I said "doctor" that must be a man, but "nurse" must be a woman?

Are there no women who want to be treated fairly?

I'm psychic. You're a guy.

badmojo

jamesgiordaneb17_ESO wrote: »

Heh guys, look, over there ----> there's real life, with real life problems going on

Now if you want to discuss those, go do that on a place that is appropriate, otherwise can we all just enjoy the unreality that is ESO

Right... cause it being a virtual world means sexism doesn't count? What about racism, harassment, bigotry and all that great stuff?

I might not see this issue as a big one, but dismissing it in that way is just ignorant. Virtual worlds are still communities of real people, being digital doesn't make us robots with no regard for each other.

PBpsy

Zionysus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Are there any guys that are not playing female characters?

I play a guy, but they do run funny. Not... effeminate, but... goofy. The women do run and walk sexier. lol

I tried a few times to start a guy but it just doesn't feel right. .
Maybe if I go Argonian it would work.

Genomic

The OP is right. This is exactly the reason I installed the nude mod on Skyrim. For gender equality

twnakita

I'm a female and I second this. More chest please.

Requiemslove

Bah, gender equality is all well and good I guess but dang it, I just want to see a ladies bouncy chest balloons, [snip] as standard.

Why is this so impossible, don't I HAVE RIGHTS TOO?

Talasma

This discussion ended up being more funny than I expected. Thanks for the laughs.

I am glad I am able to enjoy this game without seeing a bunch of man/lady parts flopping around. Glad the game has more respect for itself than that. Just because it has an M rating, doesn't mean that it HAS to cater to those that feel the need to beat off to naked elves and cat women. It's very funny that there are people trying to argue their point by counting how many parts are visible on a male vs female body as if they were the exact same parts with the exact same function. xD

Of course there are some very serious female gamers out there that would love to be slaying monsters and dance topless in the middle of town. 9_9 Yeah, much respect turning yourselves into objects. Stick it to the man and whatnot. Hope you get your way...