People queuing as healers but aren't.

DakotaCoty

This is becoming an increasing issue...

Today I've had 2 people come in, assuming they are actual healers when in fact they are not. Isn't there anything to do about this as me and my friend have had to boycott our dungeon groups because they are the leader?..

I don't know if it happens to anyone else, but it's extremely annoying to face this issue at say, midnight-2am when no one is online and some troll queues for healer and they aren't one.

/Sigh

KerinKor

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

DMuehlhausen

People do it as tanks as well. I know it a game like WoW they restricted the options based on your class (since not all had tank specs). In a game like this where every class can potentially try to fill every roll based on their choice of weapon there really isn't any way to really stop this.

It sucks for sure, but this why when you find a few healers/tanks you really enjoy playing with definitely friend them.

SirAndy

Are you telling me there's actually people in an MMO that pretend to be someone they aren't?

Wow, that's a first ...

DakotaCoty

KerinKor wrote: »

the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

So why do the roles exist then? Why not be undefined like GW2.

SirAndy wrote: »

Are you telling me there's actually people in an MMO that pretend to be someone they aren't?

Wow, that's a first ...

I'm sure if you were faced with it, you'd be slightly annoyed too.

willpascoe24prb19_ESO

KerinKor wrote: »

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

The definition you are looking for and maybe the OP as well, is in the LFG system top right hand side you set your preferred role then click on Tank Healer DPS I think but am not sure it is default to dps and you can in fact check all 3.

DakotaCoty

I've been able to complete dungeons without a tank, but without a healer is really difficult to do. Something I haven't accomplished quite yet.

Sakiri

willpascoe24prb19_ESO wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

The definition you are looking for and maybe the OP as well, is in the LFG system top right hand side you set your preferred role then click on Tank Healer DPS I think but am not sure it is default to dps and you can in fact check all 3.

This.

Dont check healer if you dont have a resto staff to use.

Healers and tanks traditionally have shorter wait times, thats why they do it. Then try to pass it off to someone else.

Gunavar

KerinKor wrote: »

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

People keep saying this and it really isn't true. The content is designed around having a trinity and if you don't have a dedicated healer you will not complete some of the veteran dungeons and definitely won't the trials. Yes, lots of more geared and more skilled people run with 3 dps/1 heal or maybe some special snowflake groups run 4 dps and have healing offsets that a few of them swap to in a crunch but in most groups are tank, heal, and two dps.

While a more fluid/flexible system would be cool, I don't think ZOS can or even should do it. Most of their boss encounters are poorly designed and dreadfully boring. The only fights that difficult and interesting are the few fights that require a coordinated trinity to accomplish.

nimbli

Are you sure its just not broken and putting the incorrect type in your group? Broken would not be new in this game.

Bromburak

If someone says he is a healer and he is not -> kick and ignore. Problem solved.
Don't waste your time with leechers or fakes.

DakotaCoty

Bromburak wrote: »

If someone says he is a healer and he is not -> kick and ignore. Problem solved.
Don't waste your time with leechers or fakes.

We can't kick them if they are the group leaders massive disappointment really.

Bromburak

Thinking would be great ... Just leave the group.

Zero tolerance with any kind of leecher.

DakotaCoty

Bromburak wrote: »

Thinking would be great ... Just leave the group.

Zero tolerance with any kind of leecher.

Didn't you read anything I posted?

I said that it's midnight, finding a full group is hard at early hours of the morning, unless my friend is online.

Saerydoth

DakotaCoty wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

So why do the roles exist then? Why not be undefined like GW2.

SirAndy wrote: »

Are you telling me there's actually people in an MMO that pretend to be someone they aren't?

Wow, that's a first ...

I'm sure if you were faced with it, you'd be slightly annoyed too.

Because it's not undefined. This game does have tanking and healing. But the roles are not strict. There are a lot of shades of grey here.

On one end, you have WOW. In WOW, certain specs tank, certain specs DPS, and certain specs heal. If you pick tank spec, you tank and nothing else. If you pick DPS, you DPS and nothing else. If you pick heal, you heal and nothing else.

On the extreme opposite end, you have GW2, where there are no roles and "everyone can do everything".

ESO is somewhere in the middle. It is possible to tank and heal in this game, but there are no dedicated "tanks" and "healers.

Artemiisia

@KerinKor
Im a High Elf Sorcerer, with combo destruc/restro staff castbar. just because I have access and uses restro, dont make me a healer.

That aint a healer for sure, easier to clarify which aint


So I totally understand where OP is coming from, some people put healer in as queue just so they can get a group, which means they actually wipe the party. I rather not being able to get a group, and solo quest which the group finder tool searches, I might get lucky and get a real group, if not im satisfied with that as it sits right now

Bromburak

DakotaCoty wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Thinking would be great ... Just leave the group.

Zero tolerance with any kind of leecher.

Didn't you read anything I posted?

I said that it's midnight, finding a full group is hard at early hours of the morning, unless my friend is online.

Your choice, I would never play with any role fake or leecher.
Also I would never make my self reliant on such random gimps.

neocomab16_ESO

play as tank, have instant invites. if someone wont heal, siply leave, look again for another group, get another group. done. simple.

traigusb14_ESO2

I have yet to get a group with the finder where everyone wasn't marked DPS, so I dunno if it actually works.

Ojustaboo

DakotaCoty wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Thinking would be great ... Just leave the group.

Zero tolerance with any kind of leecher.

Didn't you read anything I posted?

I said that it's midnight, finding a full group is hard at early hours of the morning, unless my friend is online.

While I sympathise with your predicament, I have to agree with Bromburak

The time is irrelevant, either there's others willing to group or their isn't.

If it's hard to find a full group at that time and the only people willing to group are lying about their capabilities, it's still better to leave and put them on ignore. If no one else is available you have lost nothing except as bit of your time.

GFBStarWars

I never had issue with this, main is healer and group finder always find a real tank.
his isn't a problem of zenimax, this is a problem of the player, if you cannot heal just queue as a dd and wait.
If people lie about what they can do what should the developer do?

Knottypine

People do it because for the most part it's difficult for them to get into a group unless they can fill a certain roll. It is a problem of course, and sucks both ways. I have only been in a couple of small groups of 2, myself and one other for a couple of things. Other than that I have no experience in groups because the majority I see are only looking for healers, and I am not.

Arsenic_Touch

KerinKor wrote: »

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

Templar's have an entire skill line devoted to nothing but healing. Combine that with a resto staff and you pretty much have the solid healer in this game.
So to say no class has anything remotely like real healing capability is disingenuous. The only thing is you can't heal specific people, that's the only argument to be had.

Shaun98ca2

I say if your having trouble finding a healer why not just fill the role yourself. With everybody being capable of being everything I wonder WHY NOT either play a tank or a healer? EVERY MMO has the same problem lack of healers and tanks, and most those have dedicated classes where you CANT change roles. So for TESO there really isn't an excuse.

Evandus

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

I say if your having trouble finding a healer why not just fill the role yourself. With everybody being capable of being everything I wonder WHY NOT either play a tank or a healer? EVERY MMO has the same problem lack of healers and tanks, and most those have dedicated classes where you CANT change roles. So for TESO there really isn't an excuse.

I think that's likely because anything short of an optimal Templar or Nightblade build people are not counting as being capable to heal. For example, my DK tank has his second bar set up for Restoration Staff. I've been straight out mocked in pick up groups for offering to heal the group.

This is a player problem indeed. People in general forget what game they are playing methinks.

Shaun98ca2

Evandus wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

I say if your having trouble finding a healer why not just fill the role yourself. With everybody being capable of being everything I wonder WHY NOT either play a tank or a healer? EVERY MMO has the same problem lack of healers and tanks, and most those have dedicated classes where you CANT change roles. So for TESO there really isn't an excuse.

I think that's likely because anything short of an optimal Templar or Nightblade build people are not counting as being capable to heal. For example, my DK tank has his second bar set up for Restoration Staff. I've been straight out mocked in pick up groups for offering to heal the group.

This is a player problem indeed. People in general forget what game they are playing methinks.

Well people need to learn EVERYBODY can fulfill every role. DK has some cool abilities like one to prevent damage on the whole group. Combine that with healing ward + mutagen and you got a strong healer.

SourceError

The prince of Africa offered me 13 million dollars if I gave him my bank account and then robbed me. Does anyone know what forum I can post my complaint to?

Branbran

These people are the worst. Queueing up for a role you are not prepared to fulfill is just wasting everyone's time and money.

When I was leveling up Templar my second bar was very heal focused but I always only queued up as DPS because that's what I wanted to do. And more often than not I had to pick up the slack because the "healer" was totally new/incompetent and probably didn't even pick up the passives on their Restoration line.

Fake healers are so annoying.

Allyah

What you queue up for dungeons is what class you should be willing to take on while you are in that dungeon. Simple as that. And yes, I could see how it would be annoying when someone does this intentionally to mess with people. But... are we sure it wasn't just someone crappy at healing?

@KerinKor‌

KerinKor wrote: »

[...]the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

Uhm... Templar's Rushed Ceremony

DakotaCoty

Allyah wrote: »

But... are we sure it wasn't just someone crappy at healing?

The first person in my group was a DK, he was using dual build and said to us "I don't give a *** I just wanted fast queues". At that point we discussed kicking him, only to realise he had group leader.

The second event was a Nightblade level 32, dual wielding... No healing to be seen, when he left, everyone else left because we had no healer.

Silowyi

KerinKor wrote: »

Please define what a 'healer' is in a game without any real healers and everyone has some self-heal ability?

This isn't a 'trinity' game, the usual rules don't apply. No class in ESO has anything remotely like a real 'healing' capability .. the total lack of a single spot heal is laughable.

I don't agree at all, I started out with the intent of being a "healer" and made sure to take and max out all haling abilities including passives outside the Templar healing line. I have other skills I slot for my solo play, but when I queue for a dungeon I am prepared to heal, heal, and heal.

Oh I attack too, mostly resto staff which I have fitted with a pretty gold glyph that returns magicka to me while I dmg so I can heal some more.

Doesn't mean I am uber or special but there are those of us who call ourselves healers and while you may not have single target spot heals, there's lots of options.

I'm sorry your dungeon run went poorly, just ask next time and if the "healer" isn't one, boot them and grab another if that's what you want... it's your party, you're allowed to set your party the way you like.