Not only did you not fix vamp, but you also broke it further. Elusive mist = standard mist form.

Contrabardus

Elusive Mist no longer applies the speed bonus, which is -the only addition to the upgraded skill over the standard Mist Form ability-. Meaning anyone who spent a SP to morph that skill has wasted that SP.

Thanks for stealing a skill point from me, because that's exactly what this update does to every single vampire player that chose Elusive Mist as a morph.

It's bad enough you didn't bother fixing it, but this is a slap to the face of every single vampire player. You kicked us in the balls by nerfing our already broken skills, thanks a bunch. Playing as a vamp was in desperate need of a fix, but managable, this update makes the skill line unplayable.

If you really want to keep this game afloat, it would help a lot to stop screwing large numbers of your players over this way.

I'm seriously considering canceling my subscription to this game. If this sort of stupidity continues from the Devs, that's exactly what's going to happen, and I know I'm not alone in this.

I want to like this game, I really do. I've had fun with it so far, but that feeling is fading fast because of crap like this.

Fix the damn skill line. Seriously, how could you even -think- of wasting resources on nerfing a skill line that was already completely broken -without bothering to fix it first-? What is wrong with you? Not only did you not bother to fix the problems with the skills, you also broke them further by eliminating the only bonus on one of the morphs for no apparent reason.

You guys seriously need to learn to prioritize and stop screwing over your players by nerfing them when they are already handicapped by bugs that break every aspect of the skill line already.

Roll this crap back until you fix the huge glaring problems with vampires, then worry about nerfing us.

I have never been so screwed over by an update that slaps players using an already broken skill line in the face this way in any game ever. You've had plenty of opportunity to fix the problems, but instead you've devoted resources to nerfing it rather than fix it. That means you actually had people working on the vampire skill line, and made a conscious decision to further break the skills rather than repair them. WTF?

No other developer I know of would even consider nerfing a skill line that was so buggy as vampire is without fixing the issues first. When I said I was on the verge of dumping my subscription because you guys can't get your *** together, I meant it.

That's not a threat to try and 'scare' you, it's a simple truth. If all you're going to do is frustrate me by doing things as stupid as further breaking something that already isn't working right -on purpose- when you update, then I see no reason to keep my subscription. Getting screwed over this way is not fun, and if I'm not having fun, why should I bother paying you to play this game?

I've been patient enough over this sort of thing already, and it's getting worse and not better. Doing something a stupid as what you've done to vampire players with this update isn't going to improve my patience and I've about run out.

This 'fix' needs to be rolled back until you get the skill line in order. Then worry about balancing it.

EDIT:

The Bat Swarm fix I don't take issue with. If that was all the devs had done and left everything else alone, then I wouldn't have cared. It was OP and needed to be dealt with for balancing issues.

Everything else should have waited until the skill line was fixed. It's bad enough dealing with vampire as broken as it is and the update only made things worse.

Elusive Mist is supposed to be defensive, and if you haven't figured out how to tab target by now that's your problem. By the time a vamp tries to bug out with mist, you can usually tab them to keep locked on and range them to death pretty easily before they escape even with the damage reduction. If you can't range them, then you either need to get in a group with someone who can, or invest in a skill for it. It's a problem with your build, not the skill.

Not to mention, Bash also works and breaks the Mist form easily. So players complaining about how OP it is are simply sucking at PvP and not getting OPed by a move that's too strong.

vaxure

Yeah i guess they should have let the 1vs40 continue in pvp till they had it all nice and fixed for you first How hard is it to comprehend needing a quick fix to stop a major problem? They will balance the skill line but this needed to be delt with now and the fixes weren't ready yet. Do you really think the dev's are stupid? lol

Burrick

One less OP vampire to kill in pvp - shame.

Reykice

Yes kid i`m sure you are pissed your OP build is getting looked at... next time just use skill when you are 1 vs 40 and show us you are able to kill them all and it wasn`t just the OP build making you so strong...

Also lol @ crying for 1 skill point... there are 300+ in the game...

serenitivesilenceneb18_ESO

Yesterday I (as a NB vet 10) tried to kill some random guy in Cyrodiil, he ran away with mist form. Oh wait, that wasn't only yesterday but actually every single day.

Contrabardus

Yes, I think the devs are stupid. This is a very good reason to think so.

I don't have a problem with them balancing things and tweaking skills. That includes vamp. I know it's going to happen and I wouldn't complain if that was all it was.

I have a problem with them leaving it broken -and- nerfing vamp skills, as well as stealing a Skill Point from players by taking away the only bonus from one of the morphs.

As I said, the biggest problem I had with it is the fact that they had someone working on it, and instead of actually fixing it, they broke it further and nerfed it. That's pretty stupid.

Edited: Yes, Bat Swarm spamming is OP. Yes, it's been fixed. No, I don't have a problem with that and never did. That was all they should have done until the line is fixed. Mist form isn't OP and the cost reduction should have come after the skill line bugs were fixed. Note that I didn't say 'they shouldn't ever be nerfed'. Aside from the glaring Bat Swarm issue, the line is broken enough and that should have taken priority.

I can't tell you the number of things I've seen ppl *** about being "OP" in this game. Casters, Bows, DK chain pull, Sorcerer TP. It's hard to take someone claiming one skill line is "OP" seriously when so many skills are getting the same complaint. If that many skills are really "OP" then the game is balanced pretty well.

I also find little reason to care about a complaint that a player didn't stand there and let you kill them. Especially considering that even if they do come back and try again, you're on equal standing if not better off because of the health regen nerf the skill line already has.

nuklingdb16_ESO

Ragecontrol... Games only been out for a month. And they needed to adress the problem in Pvp

Zargorius

One more coming with them sweet sweet tears. With the sheer number of these threads popping up its clear Zenimax has been spot on in getting the vamp-cheaters.

serenitivesilenceneb18_ESO

Contrabardus you say it's not a major problem?
Yesterday my whole alliance was spawncamped by two vampires for 5 hours (at the starting location). That probably ruined atleast 200-300 players in my alliances experience of PvP forever as being broken and not worth it. Any time this happens in a game I would say is seriously major.

htoncic

The OP is making a point (a little too emotional I agree) about how the new Elusive Mist is bugged and doesn't confer the speed buff and y'all are chanting about the Bat Swarm meta? Do you even read or just jump on the nerf bandwagon?

Contrabardus

To everyone complaining about PvP nerfing and vamp being OP.

That's mostly caused by the Bat Swarm ultimate spamming. That did need to be addressed. If that was all they had done, I wouldn't have said a thing. I was not one of the players who abused the ability.

Mist form is defensive, Poison Mist doesn't do the proper damage to begin with and is weak, and Elusive Mist is fast, but can't cause damage. It's pretty much good for running away or tanking a big damage attack. [It's still just as good at that.] It's supposed to be an escape mechanism. I'm sorry you haven't figured out how to tab target. The majority of the time by the time the vamp tries to bug out using mist, it's too late to get away if you tab target them and range attack them with anything that does decent range damage. If you can't range them that's a problem with your build and not the skill.

The Bat Swarm fix I don't have a problem with. If that was all it was, I wouldn't have said a thing.

My big complaint is the fact that they didn't bother fixing the problems that were already there despite the fact that they obviously had a -team working on it-, and the fact that they removed the only bonus to a morph ability. Mist Form is not OP.

If they had bothered to fix at least few things that are broken in the skill line, I'd not have had a single *** to give about the nerfing.

blackwolf7

Yes. They nerf vamps without even fixing the class. Tsk

Kanchoe

Just cancel. These posts are pretty useless. The only message you can send is with your wallet.

Contrabardus

Actually, if enough ppl in the forums are posting about something, sometimes they do something about it. Not always, but it's happened a few times. They do keep an eye on the forums and occasionally respond to a thread.

I'm willing to wait it out a bit before I cancel and see if things improve. What they did here was incredibly stupid, but I'm willing to give them a mistake or two and at least some chance to fix it before I jump ship.

If they haven't got this sorted out by the end of the month I'll probably drop my subscription. I might consider coming back if they fix things after a few months if I haven't already gotten into something else by then.

I'm less annoyed now than when I originally posted, but that doesn't mean I've forgiven them. I'll hang out in PvE and log in to toss a few traits into research for a bit and feed my horses while I wait to see what happens.

Contrabardus

Edit: Post this response was for has been deleted. LoL.

Yes, because ppl who complain about stuff that's broken in games they are paying for don't ever have lives. That joke is totally still funny and not at all stale or old.

Hanging about on internet forums for MMO games and taking the time to sarcastically respond to comments about bugs totally suggests that your life is much better and your time is better spent.

There's obviously nothing worth complaining about in a service that I'm paying for that has glaring issues and bugs. I should totally ignore that because of your "completely original" failed attempt at a snarky and humerous comment.

Your input is noted and appreciated.

Seroczynski

Stopped reading after a while, too much text. Anyway, I'd rather see they act quickly and fix the problem that ruined PVP for more people than there are vampires. Now they can focus on the broken skill line.

Contrabardus

Seroczynski wrote: »

Stopped reading after a while, too much text. Anyway, I'd rather see they act quickly and fix the problem that ruined PVP for more people than there are vampires. Now they can focus on the broken skill line.

They didn't fix any problems in PvP by nerfing Elusive Mist. Elusive Mist is not OP, it's easily dealt with and behaves as it should. It's supposed to be a quick escape skill, and can normally be beaten by range attacking the vampire as it tries to escape. Usually by the time a vamp tries to use it to bug out in a fight, they are beaten up enough the other player can range them to death before they escape even with the damage mitigation the skill provides. Tab targeting only makes that even easier to do.

It also still works for tanking heavy damage attacks just as well as it always has.

Eliminating the spamming bug that severely OPed Bat Swarm, yes, but nothing else in the update regarding vampire skills should have been applied until they fixed the skill line. The line was broken enough already.

ElSlayer

Alestair

Contrabardus wrote: »

Yes, I think the devs are stupid. This is a very good reason to think so.

I don't have a problem with them balancing things and tweaking skills. That includes vamp. I know it's going to happen and I wouldn't complain if that was all it was.

I have a problem with them leaving it broken -and- nerfing vamp skills, as well as stealing a Skill Point from players by taking away the only bonus from one of the morphs.

As I said, the biggest problem I had with it is the fact that they had someone working on it, and instead of actually fixing it, they broke it further and nerfed it. That's pretty stupid.

The whole 1vs40 PvP vamp kills thing is a myth. Youtube video or not, the vast majority of vamp players can't do it. I see no reason to believe it's not a skill level issue. Elite players are going to kill large numbers of scrubs whether they are vampires or not. They might get a few more because they are vampires, but if it wasn't vampire they'd find another way to accomplish the same thing with another set of skills.

Vamp does need some balancing, but the PvP 'omg they killz too many' whining is based on an exaggeration. It is -not- a major problem. The same players are still going to kick the asses of tons of scrubs even with the skill line nerfed.

I can't tell you the number of things I've seen ppl *** about being "OP" in this game. Casters, Bows, DK chain pull, Sorcerer TP. It's hard to take someone claiming one skill line is "OP" seriously when so many skills are getting the same complaint. If that many skills are really "OP" then the game is balanced pretty well.

I also find little reason to care about a complaint that a player didn't stand there and let you kill them. Especially considering that even if they do come back and try again, you're on equal standing if not better off because of the health regen nerf the skill line already has.

Someone is in Denial...You wasn't at Alessia 5 days ago when ONE DK vamp took on 8 full groups including randoms. So to say Youtube video or not, Youtube tends to prove people wrong, and in your case, you can't grasp and don't want to believe it... You sir are Foolish and in denial.

Contrabardus

Read the whole thread before making comments and your posts might actually be relevant.

Rhoric

Thats the problem. I see it in all MMOs I have played. The devs listen to the pvp crowd and screw the pve crowd. There should always two skill sets, one for pve and the other for pvp

JayJay_C

You can tell all the guys giving out have all been killed by vamps in pvp, and fyi it wasnt because they were op it was because you are no good. Plus anyone talking about the sweet tears of vamp players, just remember it was your sweet tears that made ZOS nerf the vamp skill line.

Zargorius

And now that I found out bashing can break the mist form it only gets better...sweet indeed!

Contrabardus

Actually, I agree that Bat Swarm needed to be dealt with. It was bugged and far too easy to spam. That one thing was really the problem though and the other stuff should have been left alone until the skill line was fixed at least.

Otherwise, yeah. Player skill had a lot to do with the problems in PvP. Especially regarding the complaints about Mist Form being OP. It wasn't OP, it was just that a lot of players weren't smart enough to figure out how to deal with it.

It's especially bad that they broke the morph ability essentially taking back the skill point from anyone who invested in it.

JayJay_C

Alestair wrote: »

Contrabardus wrote: »

Yes, I think the devs are stupid. This is a very good reason to think so.

I don't have a problem with them balancing things and tweaking skills. That includes vamp. I know it's going to happen and I wouldn't complain if that was all it was.

I have a problem with them leaving it broken -and- nerfing vamp skills, as well as stealing a Skill Point from players by taking away the only bonus from one of the morphs.

As I said, the biggest problem I had with it is the fact that they had someone working on it, and instead of actually fixing it, they broke it further and nerfed it. That's pretty stupid.

The whole 1vs40 PvP vamp kills thing is a myth. Youtube video or not, the vast majority of vamp players can't do it. I see no reason to believe it's not a skill level issue. Elite players are going to kill large numbers of scrubs whether they are vampires or not. They might get a few more because they are vampires, but if it wasn't vampire they'd find another way to accomplish the same thing with another set of skills.

Vamp does need some balancing, but the PvP 'omg they killz too many' whining is based on an exaggeration. It is -not- a major problem. The same players are still going to kick the asses of tons of scrubs even with the skill line nerfed.

I can't tell you the number of things I've seen ppl *** about being "OP" in this game. Casters, Bows, DK chain pull, Sorcerer TP. It's hard to take someone claiming one skill line is "OP" seriously when so many skills are getting the same complaint. If that many skills are really "OP" then the game is balanced pretty well.

I also find little reason to care about a complaint that a player didn't stand there and let you kill them. Especially considering that even if they do come back and try again, you're on equal standing if not better off because of the health regen nerf the skill line already has.

Someone is in Denial...You wasn't at Alessia 5 days ago when ONE DK vamp took on 8 full groups including randoms. So to say Youtube video or not, Youtube tends to prove people wrong, and in your case, you can't grasp and don't want to believe it... You sir are Foolish and in denial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfjIcjdDdY its not just vamps that own groups in pvp.

Nathan

I'm a DK Vampire. Never used Ultimate spamming (I didn't build my vamp to get an infinite Ulti). Just used the Mistform to escape from a 5vs1 battle, and it saved my character life a couple of times. Last time with a full 24players group (and other players with another group) we were taking a keep. We were coordinated, we were strong... until the Emperor arrived: Ulti spam and we all wiped. Yes 1vsMany -> 1 won.

So the fix was necessary.
Mistform had issues too. I used it infinite times with full magicka.

My proposal was to block Ulti recharge while in use, to increase Ultimate points to get it ready again and to add a 5secs cooldown on mistform skill.

But i think this fix is good so i'm happy with it. Future balancing fixes will come and there will be time to allow all players to enjoy the game with all classes/races.

And we will always see people clapping or complaining about it...

blackevil86

I as a NB vamp in medium armor, don't feel OP at all... I go down easily, my bat swarm+mist don't last, usually i die before they run out in PVP. There might be some bugs with the vamp tree, sure, but the problem here is vamp in combination with some other skills from other trees that ARE OP in pvp. Like, i should roll heavy armor to be able to melee and live. Not gonna happen. This aint WoW where u had to have a certain set of armor to be efficient in pvp, or is it? Even so, in WoW i was competitive with leather armor, in ESO i feel like wearing nothing at all when i go melee. I don't think this was intended to balance the game, but if you roll a med armor vamp, u die just as fast.

And to all of those bitching about vamps being OP, that might be true for vamps in heavy armor that are quite impossible to take down when a horde of idiots charges at them (untill they fix the aoe cap) and for sorc that can take the ult cost to a minimum.

I might not be an elite player, but i'm not a beginner either. But i'm quite a good observer and i can say that more the vamps, the more kills for me AT RANGE. I guess the same goes for my enemies. But how about making us medium wearers competitive in melee? No. All you do is take out our most precious way of escape which is pointless. Heavy armor vamps will still be hard to take down, ppl will still spam vamp ult and medium armor is still useless in pvp at melee range.

That being said, i believe ZOS will need to take a look at all those skills that affect vamp skills, not vamp skills as they are. Except for the unintended bugs like stacking and affecting more targets than it should.

Im not angry at ZOS, im pissed by the community that states a skill tree is OP, when its clear it is not. What would happen if those vamps that kill a horde of idiots barging in at melee range would change just a few skill points and maybe the type of armor they wear? They would go down like those noob vamps in front line that burn like the sun itself is burning them.

Still the point of this thread remains. Why nerf the speed of a skill that works as intended in pvp? And as i heard, they gonna buff tanking with heavy armor, so that heavy vamps will be able to spam ult a little more. Makes so much sense...

aragornis

This is music to my ears, this made me soo happy! I wanna read more of this noobs crying stuff!!!!!!

htoncic

aragornis wrote: »

This is music to my ears, this made me soo happy! I wanna read more of this noobs crying stuff!!!!!!

You read with your ears? Oh now I wanna know more...


EDIT:

Just tested in game, Elusive Mist does indeed not grant a speed buff anymore. On the upside, even if it did, it's still ridiculously expensive compared to Boundless Storm and there would be no point in using it anyway, so it's not really a big deal. Expect this to get fixed in 2014 and beyond.

FENGRUSH

Theres more baddies posting about how happy they are about the changes than people complaining about the changes. High hopes that nerfs are going to save you from being awful, but Im sure youll all find something new to blame on your deaths.

handdeb17_ESO

They could atleast give a free respec since they screwed us with this change. We specced for speed that no longer exist. With the speed you get with elusive mist, its pretty much same to take the damage version.

Are they next going to half the mage bolt escape range with half and raise its mana cost too? Since its also OP as hell....