VR10s emptied the server

Kronosphere

Now before i say anything. im gonna say in this im not gonna state my oppinions on nerf this or nerf that, im just gonna point out what i have seen.

Hopefire. My campaign of choice. i feel like has been a really balanced server. AD were ahead by alot then EP made a huge comeback, and we kept catching up etc etc. it was really fun! but lately there have been a decent group of vr10 (alot of them vampires) going around and decimating, i mean decimating the entire map single handed. Now it IS very possible i just happen to log in at bad times but now the entire map is perma owned by them, and most of the population seem to have given up. the server on my alliance seems extremely empty and devoid of our forces. we sometimes get a group of 30 people together capture a keep or 2 then the vr10 group comes (5-10 of them usually) and destroy us. everyone gets demoralized and stops entering the campaign. its still fun creeping about enemy held territory (more fun than friendly actually) but when u wanna do large pvp. it seems futile. anyone else notice anything like this?

Edit: i Bolded the main point of this thread and my issue as some people seem to think the main point of this is the "entire map is perma owned by them" part which its not. repeat. i AM not complaining about vr10s too stronk i cant win. im complaining about the result it had on the campaign playerbase

Kazarr

The bat swarm exploit is supposed to have been fixed in today's patch, and they have removed the speed bonus from mist form - so Vampires should (in theory) be more in line with Zenimax's intention. Too late to prevent all the VR10 vampire Emperors from this round of campaigns though.
In my campaign I also play EP, DC are ahead but we are closing on them - we obviously have them worried because they have been calling on reddit for other DC vampires to come and guest to help them.

vyal

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

galiumb16_ESO

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

Seriously, why make such baseless statements? DAoC is still an active game and the initial drifts of players has nothing to do with what you just described. WAR again, issues not related to what you describe. Shadowbane was so long in development that its base technology was obsolete by the time it was released. Darkfall while fun was poorly populated right from the start and required far too much PvE for a PvP game.

The fact remains that if 30 people are being beaten by 10 they are being out played. You need to learn to spread out, sorcs need to all have silence slotted and charged, and your DK's need to learn to counter bomb.

Vampire is going to be fixed pretty quick, if not today, and soon being V10 will be the norm, not the advantage. First campaign, really means nothing, guest to where you can have fun and learn. Second campaign is where it means something.

Zubba

Is this on the EU or NA server?

Moon449

Zubba wrote: »

Is this on the EU or NA server?

Wow nevermind, i posted in the wrong thread like an idiot :P

Igolbug

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

I played DAoC forever, and while the exploiters or moreso the radar hackers didn't drive me away from pvp, it did drive me away from competitive 8mans. It was really easy to notice you had a radar hacker in your own group and so I would casually leave the group not wanting to cheat and it became the norm for 8mans and nobody cared.

Kazarr

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

Seriously, why make such baseless statements? DAoC is still an active game and the initial drifts of players has nothing to do with what you just described. WAR again, issues not related to what you describe. Shadowbane was so long in development that its base technology was obsolete by the time it was released. Darkfall while fun was poorly populated right from the start and required far too much PvE for a PvP game.

The fact remains that if 30 people are being beaten by 10 they are being out played. You need to learn to spread out, sorcs need to all have silence slotted and charged, and your DK's need to learn to counter bomb.

Vampire is going to be fixed pretty quick, if not today, and soon being V10 will be the norm, not the advantage. First campaign, really means nothing, guest to where you can have fun and learn. Second campaign is where it means something.

There are situations where it's impossible to spread out - have you ever tried capturing resources or keeps? The people exploiting batswarm KNOW about these situations and take advantage of them. Just one exploiter (particularly a DK vamp exploiting batform) could pretty much survive indefinitely against a raid in these situations. That's not outplaying the opposition at all. I'm crossing my fingers this patch has actually fixed the problem.

tonyglissonb14_ESO

Decimation is only 10%

Brugun

Yes, the original post is entirely correct. Hopesfire is so incredibly underpopulated that 1 group of AD Vr10s makes all the difference. I'm looking to transfer somewhere else that is more populated and balanced, but I will give credit to Alacrity though. They are a skilled group of players, and we've had good fights with them. Dragonriders member

Alestair

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

I find that quite hilarious.. I don't recall any mmo with PVP Back in 96.. Except for the First mmo "Ultima online", If i do recall, mmo's with pvp in them came in early 2000.....

malais

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

Seriously, why make such baseless statements? DAoC is still an active game and the initial drifts of players has nothing to do with what you just described. WAR again, issues not related to what you describe. Shadowbane was so long in development that its base technology was obsolete by the time it was released. Darkfall while fun was poorly populated right from the start and required far too much PvE for a PvP game.

The fact remains that if 30 people are being beaten by 10 they are being out played. You need to learn to spread out, sorcs need to all have silence slotted and charged, and your DK's need to learn to counter bomb.

Vampire is going to be fixed pretty quick, if not today, and soon being V10 will be the norm, not the advantage. First campaign, really means nothing, guest to where you can have fun and learn. Second campaign is where it means something.

Second campaign is what matters? We have to wait 3 months to do anything that matters?

ChairGraveyard

The problem is the scaling - VR players can just instakill anyone and barely take damage.

Especially those people abusing the bash build.

rawne1980b16_ESO

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Especially those people abusing the bash build.

That shield bash is irritating.

The sad thing about the PvP here is it rewards AoE farming. Anything that can kill a lot of people in a short amount of time is going to get abused because that's where the rewards are.

I've gone from a dedicated roamer/scout to only popping in for an hour here and there because PvP isn't worth my time unless I join a zerg farm group.

More XP, more gear in the mail and more AP from flying through large groups and killing them.

You get far more for that than you do for capturing objectives.

That's a part of what is turning a few people off. Not everyone wants to zerg or AoE farm.

JHenry

Kazarr wrote: »

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

vyal wrote: »

As with every other MMO with PvP since 1996, the exploiters drive out the team players within the first three months, and the game suffers forever.

DAoC, WAR, Shadowbane, Darkfall, etc, etc, etc. Huzzah for ESO, I guess?

Seriously, why make such baseless statements? DAoC is still an active game and the initial drifts of players has nothing to do with what you just described. WAR again, issues not related to what you describe. Shadowbane was so long in development that its base technology was obsolete by the time it was released. Darkfall while fun was poorly populated right from the start and required far too much PvE for a PvP game.

The fact remains that if 30 people are being beaten by 10 they are being out played. You need to learn to spread out, sorcs need to all have silence slotted and charged, and your DK's need to learn to counter bomb.

Vampire is going to be fixed pretty quick, if not today, and soon being V10 will be the norm, not the advantage. First campaign, really means nothing, guest to where you can have fun and learn. Second campaign is where it means something.

There are situations where it's impossible to spread out - have you ever tried capturing resources or keeps? The people exploiting batswarm KNOW about these situations and take advantage of them. Just one exploiter (particularly a DK vamp exploiting batform) could pretty much survive indefinitely against a raid in these situations. That's not outplaying the opposition at all. I'm crossing my fingers this patch has actually fixed the problem.

It did fix the vamps+dk in PvP. The usual names that I see soloing 15 persons and subsequently killing them are not found, or funny that they were charging and then doing bat swarms thinking that they are still the gods pre-nerf/fix patch.

Carde

I don't understand this problem.

You're mad that higher level people are stronger than lower level people?

Solution is simple: Play the game, level up, be equal?

Like seriously do you want them to cut out the higher levels and make your level the maximum or something? I really don't understand this one bit.

LGAllastair

Carde wrote: »

I don't understand this problem.

You're mad that higher level people are stronger than lower level people?

Solution is simple: Play the game, level up, be equal?

Like seriously do you want them to cut out the higher levels and make your level the maximum or something? I really don't understand this one bit.

This. OP needs to level up and stop complaining that the enemy is too strong.

AlMcFly

JHenry wrote: »

...funny that they were charging and then doing bat swarms thinking that they are still the gods pre-nerf/fix patch.

Hilarious. I'm a non-exploiting Templar Vamp who thinks the nerf was too much. However, its Synergy with certain classes needed to be reduced a lot. Bat Swarm also shouldn't be spammable/stackable.

Kronosphere

Wow @carde and @LGAll can u not read? grats on navigating them forums to this point. p purposely left out oppinions from my OP to avoid this crap. me ranking to vr10(million for that matter) doesnt change the fact that my entire alliance doesnt want to go to the campaign anymore. u have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY missed what i am trying to say. that or u are trolling and have poor comprehension skills.

let me clarify for you what this post IS NOT saying:
its not saying vr10s are op
its not asking for nerfs on anything at all for that matter
its not complaining or crying about vr10 or vamps or xy alliance/guild/strategy

What it IS doing (supposed to be atleast)
is simply stating what ive observed on my server, and that it saddens me that the server seems dead at the same point in time these people appeared. observation.

So now fellas tell me how leveling up or getting better is even remotely helpful or related to my observation?

Gisgo

Kronosphere wrote: »

Wow @carde and @LGAll can u not read? grats on navigating them forums to this point. p purposely left out oppinions from my OP to avoid this crap. me ranking to vr10(million for that matter) doesnt change the fact that my entire alliance doesnt want to go to the campaign anymore. u have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY missed what i am trying to say. that or u are trolling and have poor comprehension skills.

The title of the thread is "VR10s emptied the server".
If anything VR10s are finally filling the server after one month of leveling in PVE.

What did you expect? I agree with them, level up if being a lower level bothers you.

Kronosphere

thats the thing man it doesnt bother me being lower level at all. that is not my issue. why do people keep thinking it is lol. what im trying to say is im bummed that the server is now dead and it looks like the vr10 group were the cause

Gisgo

Cant take you seriously after you ninja edited and reported my answer.
/bye

ElSlayer

1) You can try to organize a static group/guild and try to counter tactics of that VR10 group.
2) Switch to another campaign (just as others did). I know, it feels like deserter, but who cares? You are not in response for your allies leaving.
3) Wait for wonders. Some PvP guild can switch to your server because they usually like to play on losing side.

Kronosphere

what? my whole POST got deleted cuz i aparently did a personal jab and that gonna make someone kill themselves or something? the mods are out of control. if yours got edited be lucky my whole wall of text got nuked for 1 bad line of writing

@Gisgo

@Zos_LeroyW u guys are out of control. take a serious look at how u function. i get u are trying to keep this not becoming the LoL forums but u are acting more like a evil dictator than a peacekeeper, and have now worsened the situation with me and gisgo. which was a little heated i admit but fine and was heading towards constructive. now its just squandered

Gisgo

I see so it was a mod.
But i still cant take you seriously

Kronosphere

ElSlayer wrote: »

1) You can try to organize a static group/guild and try to counter tactics of that VR10 group.
2) Switch to another campaign (just as others did). I know, it feels like deserter, but who cares? You are not in response for your allies leaving.
3) Wait for wonders. Some PvP guild can switch to your server because they usually like to play on losing side.

thank u. this is contructive. yeah i really have my heart set on the name "Hopesfire" being a morrowind fan but next season of campaigns or sooner i think 2 is the best idea. might use the guest function to scout others out

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Carde

@Kronosphere tbh I didn't even read your OP, if you were talking about not having enough VR10s then I apologize. Its just that there is actually quite a few "qq ppl r higher level than me" threads floating around here so its really not unusual.

ElSlayer

Carde wrote: »

@Kronosphere tbh I didn't even read your OP

Then why, by the Eight, to post?

LGAllastair

Kronosphere wrote: »

Wow @carde and @LGAll can u not read? grats on navigating them forums to this point. p purposely left out oppinions from my OP to avoid this crap. me ranking to vr10(million for that matter) doesnt change the fact that my entire alliance doesnt want to go to the campaign anymore. u have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY missed what i am trying to say. that or u are trolling and have poor comprehension skills.

let me clarify for you what this post IS NOT saying:
its not saying vr10s are op
its not asking for nerfs on anything at all for that matter
its not complaining or crying about vr10 or vamps or xy alliance/guild/strategy

What it IS doing (supposed to be atleast)
is simply stating what ive observed on my server, and that it saddens me that the server seems dead at the same point in time these people appeared. observation.

So now fellas tell me how leveling up or getting better is even remotely helpful or related to my observation?

Ok, so, as I read above.

You say you're not complaining that VR10s are too strong nor you are crying that your enemy is using a strong strategy. What you you're pointing out is that your campaign is empty now, and that the reason you think that it is empty is because... a group of VR10s are too strong, own your map and demoralize the other people.

And I am the one that has no reading comprehension?

Leveling up and getting better will maybe help you... hmm I don't know... DEFEAT the VR10 group that takes everything back?

Carde

ElSlayer wrote: »

Carde wrote: »

@Kronosphere tbh I didn't even read your OP

Then why, by the Eight, to post?

Because I was here first son this is my domain check my profile.

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