Whip from the ESO Trailer
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Ok, I'm not really a new player but I have been wondering about this from day one. The whip the elf uses in the trailer to throw enemies and destroy the chain, is that in the game. If so what class and skill is it?
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KingRebz✭✭✭whips flails crossbows they should all be added in future updatesV14 Sorceror [Ebonheart]0 -
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✭✭✭I will not play a templar unless they will add spears. All you templars thrusting light spears with your hammers look ridiculous. And no I don't want no swinging spears. (from games which names shall not be spoken) I want thrusting spears that one thrusts.Edited by PBpsy on May 3, 2014 4:47PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.----
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Noth✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.
Traditional whips no, but look up the Urumi (spelling?). It is pretty much a flexible blade swung around. It is treated as a whip.
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Thesiren✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »In what culture/world have whips been an actual weapon?
In the Indiana Jones culture, that's where!
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✭People , you know he is NOT talking about an actual whip right?
He is talking about the altmer sorc green lighting magic , which is not an actual whip lols.
OP , that is not in the game at all. The lighting magic in the game looks just bad and plain compared to what you see in the trailer."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Really?cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Egyptnerevarine1138 wrote: »In what culture/world have whips been an actual weapon?
In the Indiana Jones culture, that's where!
I'm pretty sure that's the only place I've seen that, too.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.
Traditional whips no, but look up the Urumi (spelling?). It is pretty much a flexible blade swung around. It is treated as a whip.
It's a flexible blade. By those standards, a fencing foil is a whip.----
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Noth✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Really?cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Egyptnerevarine1138 wrote: »In what culture/world have whips been an actual weapon?
In the Indiana Jones culture, that's where!
I'm pretty sure that's the only place I've seen that, too.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.
Traditional whips no, but look up the Urumi (spelling?). It is pretty much a flexible blade swung around. It is treated as a whip.
It's a flexible blade. By those standards, a fencing foil is a whip.
Uh, no. a fencing foil cannot rollup like rope or be snapped like a whip. A Urumi can. It is not a sword and cannot be used like one.0 -
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Uh, no. a fencing foil cannot rollup like rope or be snapped like a whip. A Urumi can. It is not a sword and cannot be used like one.
Tell that to the French punk who was able to bend his foil so hard that it literally whipped my shoulder in a match and scored a point for him, despite the fact that his hand was floating around his head. Last time I made that mistake.----
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✭✭✭Urumi. Here is a 'weapon' that probably killed more of it's wielders than its wielders enemies. If someone ever actually dared to use that crap for something other than rhythmic gymnastics.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)4 -
nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Really?cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Egyptnerevarine1138 wrote: »In what culture/world have whips been an actual weapon?
In the Indiana Jones culture, that's where!
I'm pretty sure that's the only place I've seen that, too.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.
Traditional whips no, but look up the Urumi (spelling?). It is pretty much a flexible blade swung around. It is treated as a whip.
It's a flexible blade. By those standards, a fencing foil is a whip.
Yeah ... really ... do you think they beat slaves with pillows ?
beating someone is still using something to beat them with as a weapon.0 -
Here's your problem: You're all looking in the Sorceror skill tree.
http://elderscrollsonline.info/lava-whip0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Really?cubansyrusb16_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Egyptnerevarine1138 wrote: »In what culture/world have whips been an actual weapon?
In the Indiana Jones culture, that's where!
I'm pretty sure that's the only place I've seen that, too.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.
Traditional whips no, but look up the Urumi (spelling?). It is pretty much a flexible blade swung around. It is treated as a whip.
It's a flexible blade. By those standards, a fencing foil is a whip.
Yeah ... really ... do you think they beat slaves with pillows ?
beating someone is still using something to beat them with as a weapon.
Some people beat children with belts. This doesn't make belts a weapon of war.----
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That, and the Dragon Leap ultimate are the 2 main reasons I will start a DK. Like I just got silver bolts skill from Fighter's Guild cause it looks awesome. And pretty useful too but it was only the second reason I got it.frozenchicken wrote: »Here's your problem: You're all looking in the Sorceror skill tree.
http://elderscrollsonline.info/lava-whip
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Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
A lot actually, as you like to say... google it.
I did. The only thing I found was that there's an obscure type of whip that's used in a Japanese martial art, but no historical records of whips actually being used in combat in any significant way. Whips are impractical, unwieldly and pointless in any fight.
So. If you have an actual, historical example of whips being used in combat by actual fighters, I'd love to see it.Who cares if whips aren't an actual weapon in reality? Since when has reality been the gauge of what games should allow?
If you really have an issue with weapons being used in non-traditional or inappropriate ways, you had better abandon using ANY two-handed weapons in ESO.
Like every other game I've seen to date, they improperly portray the weight and fighting styles traditionally associated with two-handed weaponry. Most two-handed weaponry is not cumbersome and heavy.
Oh, and you'd better forfeit any sort of heavy armor as well! The list of inconsistencies with real armor in this and every other game I've seen is baffling. Have you done much swimming in plate armor lately? And I hope you carry some lotion around for all the chafing you'll experience by not having padding under the metal plates!
Oh, and forget using those daggers of yours against someone with a great axe! Have you ever seen somebody wielding a "viking axe" in a traditional fighting style? I don't mean those heavy, cumbersome chops you see in movies. They're elegant weapons, with horrendous reach. They're almost as long as the average person is tall, and can be kept in constant, circular movements, expending very little energy while fending off anybody from getting within 6 feet of the wielder. Anybody who does is going to take a heavy blow, which can be followed up with a heavy overhead chop that would devastate anybody. You think you're going to get within dagger range of this person?
Oh, right, but you can cast invisibility and sneak up on them, right? But invisibility has never been used in reality! What gives?
Realism has it's place in an RPG, but there are limits. If you really want to take the stance of realism on armor and weaponry, you'd better be ready to duke it out with people who have actually handled said armaments, and seen them used in their proper fighting styles. Hollywood doesn't do them justice.
In summary, can we stop shooting down peoples' ideas with the weak argument of "realism" where it has no place?Edited by Sarenia on May 5, 2014 5:09AM[beta_group_85b_9]2 -
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Does this mean that they need to obey full realism in their melee combat styles? No. But it does mean that they usually don't add weapons which would be wholly impractical. Like whips, crossbows, etc. While these things could conceivably be used as weapons in solo combat, they either have no associated combat style or no utility unless used by a whole platoon in large-scale combat.----
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Musonius✭All game trailers should come with the following; "WARNING: Nothing you are about to see is in any way indicative of actual game play. It is purely our fantasy depiction of what our fantasy game would be like in the plane of existence we like to call Utopia." Translation: We can make pretty movies but are crap at actually designing games to look like these movies.0
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Creepsley✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
indiana jones :P need i say more XD and whips are perfectly good and awesome weapon in my opinion. i also would love big crossbows and dual hand crossbows, cant really see any reason people could complain about lore on them either with all that "lost" dwemer tech hehe.0 -
Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »But it does mean that they usually don't add weapons which would be wholly impractical. Like whips, crossbows, etc.Crossbows were one of the single most important advancements in historical warfare. I really have no idea where you get any of your information.
No sense in belaboring such a basic segment of history, but I would direct you here at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_crossbows
Now would crossbows be an effective weapon in close combat during an extended fight? Probably not. It's ranged weaponry. But you don't use a bow in close quarters either. Short weapons like daggers would also be useless against anybody with a large weapon. Most of the weaponry in game would be utterly ineffectual in many of the circumstances it's used.
Just say flat out that you, personally, do not think those weapons should be added and leave it at that. No need for arguments based in fallacy.nerevarine1138 wrote: »
indiana jones :P need i say more XD and whips are perfectly good and awesome weapon in my opinion. i also would love big crossbows and dual hand crossbows, cant really see any reason people could complain about lore on them either with all that "lost" dwemer tech hehe.Crossbows were present in both Morrowind and Skyrim (with one of the DLCs).
There's also an NPC in ESO that makes a reference to somebody trying to get him to invest in the construction of what's obviously a crossbow.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if they get added in the future.Edited by Sarenia on May 5, 2014 12:36PM[beta_group_85b_9]0 -
RustyBlades✭✭✭That, and the Dragon Leap ultimate are the 2 main reasons I will start a DK. Like I just got silver bolts skill from Fighter's Guild cause it looks awesome. And pretty useful too but it was only the second reason I got it.
Silver bolts are awesome - they knock everything undead/deadriac but boss down and can crit for a cool turn to ash effect. Since 70% of the missions involve fighting such creatures, I use it almost as much as I do my class skills.
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »But it does mean that they usually don't add weapons which would be wholly impractical. Like whips, crossbows, etc.Crossbows were one of the single most important advancements in historical warfare. I really have no idea where you get any of your information.
No sense in belaboring such a basic segment of history, but I would direct you here at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_crossbows
Now would crossbows be an effective weapon in close combat during an extended fight? Probably not. It's ranged weaponry. But you don't use a bow in close quarters either. Short weapons like daggers would also be useless against anybody with a large weapon. Most of the weaponry in game would be utterly ineffectual in many of the circumstances it's used.
Just say flat out that you, personally, do not think those weapons should be added and leave it at that. No need for arguments based in fallacy.
This was already debated to death before Dawnguard, so I'll just leave it at this:
Except for one obscure Chinese "repeating crossbow", the crossbow is entirely impractical for solo combat, due to the long reload times. A good archer can nock and loose an arrow from a bow about 4 times while a crossbowman is still cranking their string back. They're not meant to be used outside of large-scale engagements.
Again, I'm not denying that asking for pure realism in game combat is ridiculous. But when you have to change the fundamental mechanics of how an object works (crossbow), or create unheard of fighting styles (whip) for it to work, it's just gone too far.----
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Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Except for one obscure Chinese "repeating crossbow", the crossbow is entirely impractical for solo combat, due to the long reload times. A good archer can nock and loose an arrow from a bow about 4 times while a crossbowman is still cranking their string back. They're not meant to be used outside of large-scale engagements.Neither are bows meant for use in solo combat. Should we remove longbows?
As I've already said, many weapons we use in game have absolutely no place in a proper one-on-one fight. That's an absolutely ludicrous argument against crossbows -- my mind is literally blown by your continued beating of those same drum.
I'll never understand why people on the internet refuse to back down even an inch, even in the face of indomitable, hard logic. Why not just admit your opinion is just that -- an opinion, with no factual basis behind it?
Eh... why do I bother. Next thread.Edited by Sarenia on May 5, 2014 12:44PM[beta_group_85b_9]0 -
Creepsley✭✭✭if they manage to make good use of a whip or crossbows in a movie without it looking totally weird and stupid, why is it so hard to imagine it being used in a Game where the game itself really decide on whats practical or not.1
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Ashigaru✭✭✭✭Whip and knife techniques are taught in Filipino martial arts such as Kali. One form of whip traditionally used was the buntot pagi or tail of a stingray! The poison was left in the sting making this a particularly vicious weapon.
Some of the Filipino systems developed the Whip as means of attacking at longer ranges, although they also used shorter whips. The combat whips could apparently cut flesh to the bone (not sure what material they were made of or whether they had blades embedded in the whip) and were also used to entangle an opponent. The normal usage was to also have a knife in the free hand in case the enemy got in close where you couldn't use the whip (apart from using the handle as a club) or if you entangled them you could then pull them onto the blade. The knife could also be used to cut the whip free if it was entangled or caught by the enemy leaving you with a club and a knife.
A weapon called the sjambok originated in Southern Africa, and is now widely available. Its similar to a whip in that it is a flexible tapered hand weapon between about three to five feet (0.9m to 1.5m.) in length.
http://www.karatemart.com/combat-chain-whip AKA Wushu Chain whip
Roman Whips http://c.o.a.t.tripod.com/index_files/page0002.htm
http://www.indyprops.com/pp-flagrum.htm
So ya there are examples of it being used in combat and some martial arts styles that do include whips or whip like items that do include it in their combat training. There are various examples of it being employed on a person to person basis through time as a favored weapon of choice.
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