ZOS on Vampires in Reddit AMA

savak

Welcome to the ZOS AuA. by ZOS_Sagein elderscrollsonline
[–]zos_konk [score hidden] 9 minutes ago
Yeah, we are aware of the issues vampires in PvP. One bug fix and two balance changes are in the pipe, and should get to you guys next week. The changes are: * Fixed the bug where multiple Bat Swarms can be stacked on the same Vampire. * Reduced the movement speed bonus durring mist form to 30% (which makes it equivalent to the "Boundless storm" morph of Lightning form) * Reduced the Vampire ability cost reduction to 7% per stage
We'll continue to monitor Vampires in pvp after these changes hit as well.

Kilandros

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

moXrox

link please

Vlas

Kilandros wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

Yeah, because the bat swarm abuse bug is TOTALLY all from complainers complaining.

If only they allowed more bug using and no fixing!

savak

Search for ZOS konk's posts. 4th post from top when I saw it.

http://www.reddit.com/user/zos_konk

Nox_Aeterna

Well , not so bad , to begin with , honestly , i just want to get to vet 10 , probably will quite after i watch the whole story anyway.

So if i need to give up vampire or not , i dont care that much anymore.

Kilandros

Vlas wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

Yeah, because the bat swarm abuse bug is TOTALLY all from complainers complaining.

If only they allowed more bug using and no fixing!

To be fair, this is the same forum that seems to believe that VR10 are gamebreakingly OP and can't be killed by anything but other VR10s. You'll forgive me for hedging my bet here and predicting that *gasp* MMO players like to complain about getting killed in PvP regardless of what happens to PvP.

moXrox

savak wrote: »

Search for ZOS konk's posts. 4th post from top when I saw it.

http://www.reddit.com/user/zos_konk

Thx, found it.

Was about time already that someone from Zenimax comment on it.

jdroebuckb16_ESO

excellent. Most needed and the lame DK Vamp PvP players can now play nicely like the rest of us

AngelofAwe

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

excellent. Most needed and the lame DK Vamp PvP players can now play nicely like the rest of us

Why is everybody complaining about DK vampires while sorcerers can drop the ult cost to 0?
Sure DK vampires are broken too but nowhere near free ulti.

Kilandros

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

excellent. Most needed and the lame DK Vamp PvP players can now play nicely like the rest of us

Yes no doubt you'd be #1 ranked Emperor on your campaign but for those DK Vamps.

pecheckler

Can someone who had passed basic math please recalculate the lowest possible bats warm cost at the new reduction percentage per level?

Thanks

TheBull

pecheckler wrote: »

Can someone who had passed basic math please recalculate the lowest possible bats warm cost at the new reduction percentage
per level?
Thanks

Well since reduction cost seem to be additive (really strange) it would be a flat 28% from vamp stages reduction.

edit you said lowest. 28+20+15+3 =66% reduction on a Emp Sorc with reduction gear. So about 68 for Ulti

AngelofAwe

you forgot emperor passive.

pecheckler

4 per cast up to 68 per cast for sorc emp, and more for non-emp dragonknights?

Reavan

Awesome

moXrox

AngelofAwe wrote: »

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

excellent. Most needed and the lame DK Vamp PvP players can now play nicely like the rest of us

Why is everybody complaining about DK vampires while sorcerers can drop the ult cost to 0?
Sure DK vampires are broken too but nowhere near free ulti.

Exactly.....

Its not just a DK problem when it comes to Vampires.

Actually sorceres can reduce the Vampire AoE to the lowest costs:

INFINITE


I did post a thread with a video about it on this page.

moXrox

TheBull wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Can someone who had passed basic math please recalculate the lowest possible bats warm cost at the new reduction percentage
per level?
Thanks

Well since reduction cost seem to be additive (really strange) it would be a flat 28% from vamp stages reduction.

edit you said lowest. 28+20+15+3 =66% reduction on a Emp Sorc with reduction gear. So about 68 for Ulti

At the moment a NIGHTBLADE VAMPIRE can reduce the ultimate costs to around 40.

jdroebuckb16_ESO

Kilandros wrote: »

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

excellent. Most needed and the lame DK Vamp PvP players can now play nicely like the rest of us

Yes no doubt you'd be #1 ranked Emperor on your campaign but for those DK Vamps.

Wow - you must be hurt. Where did I say I would be. All statements I made are true...

1) It's a lame combination that was obviously going to get nerfed
2) It was a most needed change
3) They can now play nicely like the rest of us
... smiley face for effect

Please do calm yourself down.

sagitter

My friend on sorc/vamp vet 1 has bat ultimate costs 11 , but i saw a screen for 4 in this forum.
i.imgur.com/W6svXiO.jpg
If u are not brainless , u understand that a costs of only 4 mean that u can spam this ability infinite and it has totally no sense.

Skellan

Only question i have, why isn't any of this posted on this forum? ..

Dudis

Maybe now they can remove the aoe cap

Soban

This was pretty much the only non-performance related issue I had with this game since release.

tjrichards01_ESO

Kilandros wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

Yep u NEVER EVER EVER nerf anything in pvp cause then its a never ending nerf train. PVP is 100% perfectly balanced the way it is... and yes i mean that this game has 0 balance issues with pvp. I played pvp in beta and have continued to now that the game is out THERE IS NOTHING wrong with vampires. People are just too stupid to understand that when 40 of them run into bat range its over. Im a VR2 DK vamp and i die near instantly at range, im not as good as some of those rank 10 guys and i die pretty quick in melee range too (but thats cause of the *** lag in cyrodiil and cause 90% of my skills dont work while im there)

fambaab16_ESO

tjrichards01_ESO wrote: »

Yep u NEVER EVER EVER nerf anything in pvp cause then its a never ending nerf train. PVP is 100% perfectly balanced the way it is... and yes i mean that this game has 0 balance issues with pvp. I played pvp in beta and have continued to now that the game is out THERE IS NOTHING wrong with vampires. People are just too stupid to understand that when 40 of them run into bat range its over. Im a VR2 DK vamp and i die near instantly at range, im not as good as some of those rank 10 guys and i die pretty quick in melee range too (but thats cause of the *** lag in cyrodiil and cause 90% of my skills dont work while im there)

Maybe your computer doesnt like hitting the R button constantly
Bat swar is bugged.
Every other AoE from 1 player can only be in effect exactly 1 time at a location.
Wall of elemts for example, you can cast it twice on the same spot it only hits 1 time.
Lightning pool-the first pool disappears when you drop down the second. YOu cannot stack burning effects.
You cannot stack the curse.

Infact Bat Swarm is the only thing that is able to be cast multiple times and stay in effect.

The combination of Mist+Swarm is bugged.
Mist was not intended to be able to let the player heal with potions spells or anything.

After the nerf you can cast 1 batswar at low cost.
But only 1, and that might keep you barely alive against low damage enemies.

Of course there is no balance issue in pvp. We all just have to roll DK or Sorc become a vampire and get the same gear.

How boring is that.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Ugh why dont they have a ama on their own website? Really I hate this stupid reddit craze. The vampire nerfs are fine with me though!

Phoenix99

I like the cries of the vamp players. It's your turn to l2p and think about the magicka use, without the mobility spam.

Next in line sorc, cause it will still be wrecking with their cost reductions and bolt escape mobility. This nerf fixed the vampire side of combos, like with DK and templar. The sorc + vamp is still strong and you can expect seeing bolting vamp sorcs with invis bat swarm.

After sorc, there is the bash-o-matic in line, as it's stupid that best weapon defensive skill line also does the highest dmg output dps wise per stamina used.

slight tweak to DK by increasing ult cost of standard by 25-50 points

after that, there is some work to be done on making stamina builds as viable as magicka, either by reducing stam costs, or adding serious magicka drains like stamina users have (roll, block, sprint, stealth, break cc AND a lot of useful skills? while magicka users can just spam spells)

On the buffs side:

fixes to WWs and cost redution to ult form, perhaps even changing it to ult per second toggle.

fixes to NB skill set, plus some love for support NB builds.

those things would probably make the PvP experience balanced enough to be enjoyable by vast majority of various builds.

Jarnhand

tjrichards01_ESO wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

Yep u NEVER EVER EVER nerf anything in pvp cause then its a never ending nerf train. PVP is 100% perfectly balanced the way it is... and yes i mean that this game has 0 balance issues with pvp. I played pvp in beta and have continued to now that the game is out THERE IS NOTHING wrong with vampires. People are just too stupid to understand that when 40 of them run into bat range its over. Im a VR2 DK vamp and i die near instantly at range, im not as good as some of those rank 10 guys and i die pretty quick in melee range too (but thats cause of the *** lag in cyrodiil and cause 90% of my skills dont work while im there)

No offense, but gotta say it like it is: Either you do not understand what the word balance means, or you have no clue about how a PvP should work.

My advice to you is go back to playing single player games, where you can be uber and roflpwn the whole world.

And just because your vamp dies at range, does not mean other vamps who know how to exploit the broken mechanics in the game dies at range, because they do not. They are perma swarmed/misted, cannot target them at all.

It does not matter if there would have been a million ways to counter vamps as they are now, the thing is that when a thing like this is even possible in a MMO game, its beyond broken, and it is so far from balanced it can come!

This sadly has to be the single biggest balance FAIL in any MMO to date! How this was not stopped in beta, is unbelievable. They should known that if a skill/class etc in a MMO can be exploited, IT WILL BE EXPLOITED!

They were warned in beta, but did not listen, and pushed the game out the door in a broken/unfinished state. And it has been weeks since release, and it has still not been fixed! Now, sadly the game is suffering, and Zenimax is losing reputation and customers on a daily bases. And for me, coming from way back in daoc, this is sad to see, because the game has great potential. But if they lose enough customers, and the bad rep on the internet gets bad enough, the game will forced to become F2P (with micro transactions), and from there its down hill. It will become a dying game and swarmed with bots / multi-account setups / people behaving badly. In other words; a dead game.

BloodStorm

Jarnhand wrote: »

tjrichards01_ESO wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure players killed by Vampires/WWs/NPCs/Other Players will still find something to claim is just so OP and Gamebreaking despite these changes.

Yep u NEVER EVER EVER nerf anything in pvp cause then its a never ending nerf train. PVP is 100% perfectly balanced the way it is... and yes i mean that this game has 0 balance issues with pvp. I played pvp in beta and have continued to now that the game is out THERE IS NOTHING wrong with vampires. People are just too stupid to understand that when 40 of them run into bat range its over. Im a VR2 DK vamp and i die near instantly at range, im not as good as some of those rank 10 guys and i die pretty quick in melee range too (but thats cause of the *** lag in cyrodiil and cause 90% of my skills dont work while im there)

No offense, but gotta say it like it is: Either you do not understand what the word balance means, or you have no clue about how a PvP should work.

My advice to you is go back to playing single player games, where you can be uber and roflpwn the whole world.

And just because your vamp dies at range, does not mean other vamps who know how to exploit the broken mechanics in the game dies at range, because they do not. They are perma swarmed/misted, cannot target them at all.

It does not matter if there would have been a million ways to counter vamps as they are now, the thing is that when a thing like this is even possible in a MMO game, its beyond broken, and it is so far from balanced it can come!

This sadly has to be the single biggest balance FAIL in any MMO to date! How this was not stopped in beta, is unbelievable. They should known that if a skill/class etc in a MMO can be exploited, IT WILL BE EXPLOITED!

They were warned in beta, but did not listen, and pushed the game out the door in a broken/unfinished state. And it has been weeks since release, and it has still not been fixed! Now, sadly the game is suffering, and Zenimax is losing reputation and customers on a daily bases. And for me, coming from way back in daoc, this is sad to see, because the game has great potential. But if they lose enough customers, and the bad rep on the internet gets bad enough, the game will forced to become F2P (with micro transactions), and from there its down hill. It will become a dying game and swarmed with bots / multi-account setups / people behaving badly. In other words; a dead game.

Ps4 is going to better for ESO. No bots because it is super hard to get bots on console. Also a ban on console means you have to spend another 400 dollars instead of 20-60 USD because your system gets banned, haha.More immersion as well on console with a headset plugged in while being able lay down on a couch with a 70 to 80 inch Tv. Ps4 will run ESO better than a 900 to 1000 dollar pc and only costs 400 and again consoles have built in party chats and inGame chat. pc is falling behind and you have to download crap like TS and so forth just to chat on pc. Of course a expensive Pc is more powerful than any console but the price range is so much it is often a ripoff. Pcs run stuff in the background a lot as well and slows its performance. console were invented for gaming and pc was not. Between that and the so many custom options /type of pc s you can buy is why they are way overpriced. Pcs are weak machines at the end of the day for how much you pay for it. You pay for brand names and egos not quality. Sony on the other hand is one of the best companies on earth. They have improved big time over the years and demand perfection.

Makkir

So when did ZOS add the necro class?

Cherub

Put silvershards crit. chance up to 10% and/or let vamps suffer by sunlight...
Be sure there will be less and less vampires.