Why I stopped playing tonight

Melian

Gohlar wrote: »

See a big part of the problem people such as yourself have is the need to use binary thinking and dramatics. Everyone either must love the game or hate it. There is no in between. Obviously, that's total nonsense. I do imagine that pretending something as flawed as ESO is perfect really is frustrating, so I can understand the need to reach. I mean really, saying "don't like it? Leave." to every criticism just shows a complete lack of confidence in the game. It's a reoccurring theme on this forum, much more so than other games. I've never seen such levels of insecurity, your post only proves my point.

The funny part is the game would probably be a lot better off if actual discussion could take place. Sadly though, the defenders here are incredibly insecure and can not even talk about any possible issue. It's just amusing to me, but it's also frustrating because you guys are easily the most harmful force facing the game.

I don't hate the game, it's just very disappointing to finally have a multiplayer elder scrolls and have the multiplayer parts be so poorly implemented. Perhaps, with decent feedback, some problems could have been avoided.

I like the game, but I recognize that the very things I like about it are drawbacks for some. If those "problems" are "fixed", the game will be ruined for me.

If that's what you mean by "insecurity", I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Elvent

Still not fixed. I also have a thread about it.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/67764/can-t-fight-back-bug#latest

Gohlar

Melian wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

See a big part of the problem people such as yourself have is the need to use binary thinking and dramatics. Everyone either must love the game or hate it. There is no in between. Obviously, that's total nonsense. I do imagine that pretending something as flawed as ESO is perfect really is frustrating, so I can understand the need to reach. I mean really, saying "don't like it? Leave." to every criticism just shows a complete lack of confidence in the game. It's a reoccurring theme on this forum, much more so than other games. I've never seen such levels of insecurity, your post only proves my point.

The funny part is the game would probably be a lot better off if actual discussion could take place. Sadly though, the defenders here are incredibly insecure and can not even talk about any possible issue. It's just amusing to me, but it's also frustrating because you guys are easily the most harmful force facing the game.

I don't hate the game, it's just very disappointing to finally have a multiplayer elder scrolls and have the multiplayer parts be so poorly implemented. Perhaps, with decent feedback, some problems could have been avoided.

I like the game, but I recognize that the very things I like about it are drawbacks for some. If those "problems" are "fixed", the game will be ruined for me.

If that's what you mean by "insecurity", I guess I'm guilty as charged.

You really are. Notice how you need to lump any and all issues together and reduce it to a binary "for" or "against" position? It's crazy how desperately you want to avoid having people discuss possible areas of improvement.

You are miles away from being able to discuss the game in a reasonable manner. I wish you luck in your continued crusade to make sure nobody else can have those discussions either. I wonder, will you guys will ever realize how harmful you are to the game you so fervently defend?

Mortelus

Melian wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

See a big part of the problem people such as yourself have is the need to use binary thinking and dramatics. Everyone either must love the game or hate it. There is no in between. Obviously, that's total nonsense. I do imagine that pretending something as flawed as ESO is perfect really is frustrating, so I can understand the need to reach. I mean really, saying "don't like it? Leave." to every criticism just shows a complete lack of confidence in the game. It's a reoccurring theme on this forum, much more so than other games. I've never seen such levels of insecurity, your post only proves my point.

The funny part is the game would probably be a lot better off if actual discussion could take place. Sadly though, the defenders here are incredibly insecure and can not even talk about any possible issue. It's just amusing to me, but it's also frustrating because you guys are easily the most harmful force facing the game.

I don't hate the game, it's just very disappointing to finally have a multiplayer elder scrolls and have the multiplayer parts be so poorly implemented. Perhaps, with decent feedback, some problems could have been avoided.

I like the game, but I recognize that the very things I like about it are drawbacks for some. If those "problems" are "fixed", the game will be ruined for me.

If that's what you mean by "insecurity", I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Agree completely.

I petitioned for the option of public dungeons to be made solo also, as in

Gohlar wrote: »

Melian wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

See a big part of the problem people such as yourself have is the need to use binary thinking and dramatics. Everyone either must love the game or hate it. There is no in between. Obviously, that's total nonsense. I do imagine that pretending something as flawed as ESO is perfect really is frustrating, so I can understand the need to reach. I mean really, saying "don't like it? Leave." to every criticism just shows a complete lack of confidence in the game. It's a reoccurring theme on this forum, much more so than other games. I've never seen such levels of insecurity, your post only proves my point.

The funny part is the game would probably be a lot better off if actual discussion could take place. Sadly though, the defenders here are incredibly insecure and can not even talk about any possible issue. It's just amusing to me, but it's also frustrating because you guys are easily the most harmful force facing the game.

I don't hate the game, it's just very disappointing to finally have a multiplayer elder scrolls and have the multiplayer parts be so poorly implemented. Perhaps, with decent feedback, some problems could have been avoided.

I like the game, but I recognize that the very things I like about it are drawbacks for some. If those "problems" are "fixed", the game will be ruined for me.

If that's what you mean by "insecurity", I guess I'm guilty as charged.

You really are. Notice how you need to lump any and all issues together and reduce it to a binary "for" or "against" position? It's crazy how desperately you want to avoid having people discuss possible areas of improvement.

You are miles away from being able to discuss the game in a reasonable manner. I wish you luck in your continued crusade to make sure nobody else can have those discussions either. I wonder, will you guys will ever realize how harmful you are to the game you so fervently defend?

I think they simply mean that the things they find enjoyable would no longer be enjoyable if they changed them to how people are suggesting they be changed.

It's not binary at all, binary is 'yes/no' 'on/off'

It is logical though I will give you that...

Lalai

Melian wrote: »

Gohlar wrote: »

See a big part of the problem people such as yourself have is the need to use binary thinking and dramatics. Everyone either must love the game or hate it. There is no in between. Obviously, that's total nonsense. I do imagine that pretending something as flawed as ESO is perfect really is frustrating, so I can understand the need to reach. I mean really, saying "don't like it? Leave." to every criticism just shows a complete lack of confidence in the game. It's a reoccurring theme on this forum, much more so than other games. I've never seen such levels of insecurity, your post only proves my point.

The funny part is the game would probably be a lot better off if actual discussion could take place. Sadly though, the defenders here are incredibly insecure and can not even talk about any possible issue. It's just amusing to me, but it's also frustrating because you guys are easily the most harmful force facing the game.

I don't hate the game, it's just very disappointing to finally have a multiplayer elder scrolls and have the multiplayer parts be so poorly implemented. Perhaps, with decent feedback, some problems could have been avoided.

I like the game, but I recognize that the very things I like about it are drawbacks for some. If those "problems" are "fixed", the game will be ruined for me.

If that's what you mean by "insecurity", I guess I'm guilty as charged.

No real point in arguing with him. He calls anyone who voices likes for any aspect of the game a blind defender from what I've seen... and then tries to lecture them about being one-sided, and "thinking in dramatics". One of the "in the middle" options is liking the game and realizing it has some issues to iron out. Apparently his version of discussion can only happen when you only point out the negatives, and never positives. Most of the people he calls blind defenders don't even use the "don't like it? Leave" statement he likes to pretend is thrown around way more than it actually is. There may be one or two people who do that repeatedly, but for the most part the "defenders" don't.

Basically he's a hypocrite. I skim over his posts for the most part as they usually just consist of name-calling.

Katkon

The reasons you cite for stopping play are quite literally the same things that keep me playing. I love the forced choice around a limited number of abilities, the clean UI, the PvP in Cyrodiil and the fact that when I get to 50 I'm just 1/3 of the way through PvE content. This game rocks for these and other reasons IMHO.

Mortelus

Katkon wrote: »

The reasons you cite for stopping play are quite literally the same things that keep me playing. I love the forced choice around a limited number of abilities, the clean UI, the PvP in Cyrodiil and the fact that when I get to 50 I'm just 1/3 of the way through PvE content. This game rocks for these and other reasons IMHO.

Exactly...

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

This is not a "I quit!" thread and Im not trying to directly hate on the game (well you can see it that way, but I felt I had to share my opinion on why ESO doesnt catch me anymore)

The unfixed issues post launch
I could start out with the numerous bugs which should have been fixed long ago in the beta during testing and the load balancing, the lag, the abillity delay and at times often clunky combat, but the worst part about ESO in my opinion are the numerous poor design decisions the game has.

The 5+1 x 2 actionslots bore me
This has been discussed to oblivion (no pun intended!) that some people prefer the idea that you have choice instead of a full range of abillities...but I disagree. You can design some sensible, fun abillities on a full mmo bar just as well as the few slots ESO has and Im already worn out doing the same setup all the time, even by trying out loads of different builds.

What people forget is that a bar with, say, like WoW or Aion or any other "normal" amount of slots you get way slower bored.

Consoles
This will probably infuriate many what I am saying now: the decision Zenimax made to build ESO around other platforms than PC, is a huge design flaw and it deeply affects various ingame gameplay factors. Not only can you only mod on PC (wether you like mods or not) and the UI is probably one of the worst UIs ive seen in a socalled AAA mmo ever - Im talking about all the way from the party UI, to the Guild Store UI (NOT the bugs!) and to the inventory interface's numerous lacking facets.

Another issue which I talked about above is the inadequate actionbar which was partially designed around consoles so they could tag along too, which In my opinion is very poor.

World pvp is non existent
Think about this: you will never in ESO be able to have the fun world pvp many other mmos out there also have had (im deliberately not going to mention wow ) I know many out there dont like world pvp but theres just as many who actually love it and from a logical standpoint it doesnt make sense never to see any enemy than just in Cyrodiil.

Ive always hated PvE servers because the concept is utter stupid as I said above, so you may disagree with me but this is my opinion and I think the decision to make a "cauldron pvp map" like Cyrodiil is will get WAY faster boring than PvP set all over the world, both objective based but also small scale and bottleneck pvp, without going into more into detail with that.

Veteran content
"Lets have all the players hit max level (50!) and then go another 10 special "Veteran" levels through all the other factions as a ghost without being able to see any enemy and actually not only destroy faction loyalty but every single piece of logical game design."

Sorry if this line seems a bit harsh...but thats actually another dumbest ever MMO decision ive seen in quite some years. What Zenimax shouldve done, is keep the 50 cap, keep the game difficulty, because hard is awsome, and then maybe made a questing system that made you travel over all of Tamriel freely with the fear of getting ganked, pvp, running, riding or stealth or however you liked.

At the moment the game feels like a super open book...but alot of the chapters in the book are black and unreadable.

Poor guild system/lack of AH.
Why must I be forced to be in guilds that has nothing to do with socialisation/endgame pvE/PvP but just trade and echonomy? Seperate guilds from the money ifnrastructure and make a proper central Auction House and let me keep my guilds to what I actually want them for...my guildies and my friends and the stuff we love to do.

Ingame localisation
Now this is just a minor gripe I have, hence in the end but...whoever decided to make germans and their german clients spam the chat with their items should get some ass whoopin...Im not sure wether this should be classified as a bug or poor design choice, but id say it was intended, so..shame on you Zenimax.

Lets all educate the part of Germany that still cannot fathom the english language and actually have politeness to keep everything in english AND as game developer promote people to communicate in english.

Now you could too say "Well you knew already what the game was designed like!" But I am both an MMO and ES fan at heart and I truly want this game to work..but right now ESO is an ugly child that you both love because the world is so damn awsome and the openness is awsome...but so many issues are prevalent.

To all the players and devs who actually read everything: congrats, you wont the internets!

Its amazing how some people can write an epic length about all the things they hate, but cant even be bothered writing that about what they like. This game for me is has some great things, has some annoying things. It has things I truly hate but then things I truly love.

This just reads like a list of constructive dislikes and says nothign about the positives, which makes all that you have written somewhat worthless because you havent balanced your thoughts. But you do get a point or two from me for being more constructive than the normal complainers.

No wonder you quit because if you keep holding on to all this game fails to be without looking at what it succeeds, whats the use?!

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Now this is just a minor gripe I have, hence in the end but...whoever decided to make germans and their german clients spam the chat with their items should get some ass whoopin...Im not sure wether this should be classified as a bug or poor design choice, but id say it was intended, so..shame on you Zenimax.

Lets all educate the part of Germany that still cannot fathom the english language and actually have politeness to keep everything in english AND as game developer promote people to communicate in english.

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wow thats epically bad, like really bad, so bad, it made me rethink everything else you wrote was nothing but a long winded troll post. No one can be that racist or socially insensitive and still be taken seriously. The English language is not the centre of the world, especially on a European server.

Getorix

I disagree with most of what the op said but ill just pick one thing he brought up because Ive seen it brought up a lot and to me its just stupid.

No open world pvp? what is open world pvp to you? Imho eso does have open world pvp. Cyrodil is huge and has quests and dungeons in it, you can camp pve people trying to get their skyshards all day long. I know most wannabe "hardcore pvpers" consider would pvp as a game that allows you to go into zones with players dozens of levels below you so you can actually kill someone but to most real pvpers don't consider that "open world pvp".

As for the rest of the complaints, yeah the game was released 6 months too early, what mmo isn't. All mmos are released unfinished, what will be the deciding factor for me will be if and how fast zennimax fixes it all.

AreoHotah

Willow wrote: »

This thread will be closed. If you want ZOS to know why you are quitting maybe submit a ticket.

They probably need to add a survey for when subs are canceled.

Why close it? it doesn't brake any rule
But it will get closed if ppl start to go outsie the discussion and offend themselfs.

Mie87

Actually all his points are valid but I'm not quitting over them (yet).

PBpsy

crai7er_boy_4lif3b16_ESO wrote: »

Willow wrote: »

This thread will be closed. If you want ZOS to know why you are quitting maybe submit a ticket.

They probably need to add a survey for when subs are canceled.

Why close it? it doesn't brake any rule
But it will get closed if ppl start to go outsie the discussion and offend themselfs.

It doesn't accelerate any rule either.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules
Goodbye /quitting threads are closed like they are in most game forums.

reggielee

I have to applaud you staying for as long as you did, and you gave it your best try, but your problems with the game are intrinsic to the intended design of the game and havent changed since beta.

I myself am here for alot of those same qualities you mentioned. I love the slim UI and the hard choices you have to make on what to slot on your action bar. I love that it is NOT world pvp. AH would be nice but im living without it. bugs .. i dont have that many tho i understand others do. I cant speak for vet levels yet, but as I am not in a rush to end game I doubt it will bother me much.

Its ok to not like a game, there are plenty of others that might appeal more to your gamestyle. I know you are disappointed but good luck

lioslinn

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Lets all educate the part of Germany that still cannot fathom the english language and actually have politeness to keep everything in english AND as game developer promote people to communicate in english.
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wow thats epically bad, like really bad, so bad, it made me rethink everything else you wrote was nothing but a long winded troll post. No one can be that racist or socially insensitive and still be taken seriously. The English language is not the centre of the world, especially on a European server.

Exactly!! I read this part and was flabberghasted. Are you seriously asking people to have the politeness to speak YOUR language?? And for the devs to promote it?!

How narrow minded, demeaning, insulting ... it's so over the top ethnocentric the words fail me.

You know the most spoken language is mandarin, then spanish right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

Many of us appreciate the fact they are trying to be global. I love receiving support emails, reading the forums and reading the patch notes in impeccable french. Hope you find another game you enjoy.