Why I stopped playing tonight
This is not a "I quit!" thread and Im not trying to directly hate on the game (well you can see it that way, but I felt I had to share my opinion on why ESO doesnt catch me anymore)
The unfixed issues post launch
I could start out with the numerous bugs which should have been fixed long ago in the beta during testing and the load balancing, the lag, the abillity delay and at times often clunky combat, but the worst part about ESO in my opinion are the numerous poor design decisions the game has.
The 5+1 x 2 actionslots bore me
This has been discussed to oblivion (no pun intended!) that some people prefer the idea that you have choice instead of a full range of abillities...but I disagree. You can design some sensible, fun abillities on a full mmo bar just as well as the few slots ESO has and Im already worn out doing the same setup all the time, even by trying out loads of different builds.
What people forget is that a bar with, say, like WoW or Aion or any other "normal" amount of slots you get way slower bored.
Consoles
This will probably infuriate many what I am saying now: the decision Zenimax made to build ESO around other platforms than PC, is a huge design flaw and it deeply affects various ingame gameplay factors. Not only can you only mod on PC (wether you like mods or not) and the UI is probably one of the worst UIs ive seen in a socalled AAA mmo ever - Im talking about all the way from the party UI, to the Guild Store UI (NOT the bugs!) and to the inventory interface's numerous lacking facets.
Another issue which I talked about above is the inadequate actionbar which was partially designed around consoles so they could tag along too, which In my opinion is very poor.
World pvp is non existent
Think about this: you will never in ESO be able to have the fun world pvp many other mmos out there also have had (im deliberately not going to mention wow
) I know many out there dont like world pvp but theres just as many who actually love it and from a logical standpoint it doesnt make sense never to see any enemy than just in Cyrodiil.
Ive always hated PvE servers because the concept is utter stupid as I said above, so you may disagree with me but this is my opinion and I think the decision to make a "cauldron pvp map" like Cyrodiil is will get WAY faster boring than PvP set all over the world, both objective based but also small scale and bottleneck pvp, without going into more into detail with that.
Veteran content
"Lets have all the players hit max level (50!) and then go another 10 special "Veteran" levels through all the other factions as a ghost without being able to see any enemy and actually not only destroy faction loyalty but every single piece of logical game design."
Sorry if this line seems a bit harsh...but thats actually another dumbest ever MMO decision ive seen in quite some years. What Zenimax shouldve done, is keep the 50 cap, keep the game difficulty, because hard is awsome, and then maybe made a questing system that made you travel over all of Tamriel freely with the fear of getting ganked, pvp, running, riding or stealth or however you liked.
At the moment the game feels like a super open book...but alot of the chapters in the book are black and unreadable.
Poor guild system/lack of AH.
Why must I be forced to be in guilds that has nothing to do with socialisation/endgame pvE/PvP but just trade and echonomy? Seperate guilds from the money ifnrastructure and make a proper central Auction House and let me keep my guilds to what I actually want them for...my guildies and my friends and the stuff we love to do.
Ingame localisation
Now this is just a minor gripe I have, hence in the end but...whoever decided to make germans and their german clients spam the chat with their items should get some ass whoopin...Im not sure wether this should be classified as a bug or poor design choice, but id say it was intended, so..shame on you Zenimax.
Lets all educate the part of Germany that still cannot fathom the english language and actually have politeness to keep everything in english AND as game developer promote people to communicate in english.
Now you could too say "Well you knew already what the game was designed like!" But I am both an MMO and ES fan at heart and I truly want this game to work..but right now ESO is an ugly child that you both love because the world is so damn awsome and the openness is awsome...but so many issues are prevalent.
To all the players and devs who actually read everything: congrats, you wont the internets!
The unfixed issues post launch
I could start out with the numerous bugs which should have been fixed long ago in the beta during testing and the load balancing, the lag, the abillity delay and at times often clunky combat, but the worst part about ESO in my opinion are the numerous poor design decisions the game has.
The 5+1 x 2 actionslots bore me
This has been discussed to oblivion (no pun intended!) that some people prefer the idea that you have choice instead of a full range of abillities...but I disagree. You can design some sensible, fun abillities on a full mmo bar just as well as the few slots ESO has and Im already worn out doing the same setup all the time, even by trying out loads of different builds.
What people forget is that a bar with, say, like WoW or Aion or any other "normal" amount of slots you get way slower bored.
Consoles
This will probably infuriate many what I am saying now: the decision Zenimax made to build ESO around other platforms than PC, is a huge design flaw and it deeply affects various ingame gameplay factors. Not only can you only mod on PC (wether you like mods or not) and the UI is probably one of the worst UIs ive seen in a socalled AAA mmo ever - Im talking about all the way from the party UI, to the Guild Store UI (NOT the bugs!) and to the inventory interface's numerous lacking facets.
Another issue which I talked about above is the inadequate actionbar which was partially designed around consoles so they could tag along too, which In my opinion is very poor.
World pvp is non existent
Think about this: you will never in ESO be able to have the fun world pvp many other mmos out there also have had (im deliberately not going to mention wow
) I know many out there dont like world pvp but theres just as many who actually love it and from a logical standpoint it doesnt make sense never to see any enemy than just in Cyrodiil.Ive always hated PvE servers because the concept is utter stupid as I said above, so you may disagree with me but this is my opinion and I think the decision to make a "cauldron pvp map" like Cyrodiil is will get WAY faster boring than PvP set all over the world, both objective based but also small scale and bottleneck pvp, without going into more into detail with that.
Veteran content
"Lets have all the players hit max level (50!) and then go another 10 special "Veteran" levels through all the other factions as a ghost without being able to see any enemy and actually not only destroy faction loyalty but every single piece of logical game design."
Sorry if this line seems a bit harsh...but thats actually another dumbest ever MMO decision ive seen in quite some years. What Zenimax shouldve done, is keep the 50 cap, keep the game difficulty, because hard is awsome, and then maybe made a questing system that made you travel over all of Tamriel freely with the fear of getting ganked, pvp, running, riding or stealth or however you liked.
At the moment the game feels like a super open book...but alot of the chapters in the book are black and unreadable.
Poor guild system/lack of AH.
Why must I be forced to be in guilds that has nothing to do with socialisation/endgame pvE/PvP but just trade and echonomy? Seperate guilds from the money ifnrastructure and make a proper central Auction House and let me keep my guilds to what I actually want them for...my guildies and my friends and the stuff we love to do.
Ingame localisation
Now this is just a minor gripe I have, hence in the end but...whoever decided to make germans and their german clients spam the chat with their items should get some ass whoopin...Im not sure wether this should be classified as a bug or poor design choice, but id say it was intended, so..shame on you Zenimax.
Lets all educate the part of Germany that still cannot fathom the english language and actually have politeness to keep everything in english AND as game developer promote people to communicate in english.
Now you could too say "Well you knew already what the game was designed like!" But I am both an MMO and ES fan at heart and I truly want this game to work..but right now ESO is an ugly child that you both love because the world is so damn awsome and the openness is awsome...but so many issues are prevalent.
To all the players and devs who actually read everything: congrats, you wont the internets!
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
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Willow✭✭✭This thread will be closed. If you want ZOS to know why you are quitting maybe submit a ticket.
They probably need to add a survey for when subs are canceled.
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Why tell us why he/she is quitting?. Send in a ticket and tell the company. This thread will be closed as it is against the tos, so do not try the "this is the customer support blah blah"Rapscallion74 wrote: »
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SuperScrubby✭✭✭Ironic that the only thing the mod's really police are these types of threads. But the ones with thousands of responses? Fuhgettaboutit.0
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Zorak✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
Exactly.
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Agreed, but that wasn't what I was commenting on. I was commenting on the completely useless replies, that really served no purpose of discussion. Just report the post for violating TOS, and be done with it.
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Greydog✭✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
It's one thing to think you may still like it. It's another to find out you didn't.
Afterall ..he did say he was an ES fan.
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✭The unfixed issues post launch
-Yes this is annoying but I have come to 'expect' this from MMO under a month or two old
The 5+1 x 2 actionslots bore me
-I like this from the 'balance' point of view and to make PVP not a button spam (as no cool downs)
The other way would of been have as many 'button's as you like but global cool downs. This would 'kill' my bust damage build in PVP
World pvp is non existent
I really like the PVP in this game, but I run with a PVP guild and we have team speak and set mission up and its a lot of fun. I hate open world pvp (gankers) but having an area I can zone to and everything is PVP works for me. If you want everything to be open PVP, you need to find a different game. But you KNEW this before even buying this game, why complain about something that you knew was this way before hand?
Veteran content
I am only V5 but I like that I don't have to have an alt to get to explore all three areas. My main can do the low level zones for the other factions but its 'scaled' up. I think its a very cool idea. But again, everyone knew this BEFORE buying the game... I am sure you just brought the wrong game.
Poor guild system/lack of AH.
I do aggree on this, this needs a lot of work. But most games did not have a AH or a good guild system at the start, I will see how they work on this.
Ingame localisation
Never had this issue.
In summary, this game is exactly as it was advertised for me (besides the bugs) and I am having fun. But it sounds like you wanted it to be something that is was not advertised to be. This is not Skyrim Online
And to quote every other "I am quitting" post from every other MMO I have ever played.
"Can I have your stuff?"Edited by Natjur on April 29, 2014 10:33PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »This is not a "I quit!" thread and Im not trying to directly hate on the game (well you can see it that way, but I felt I had to share my opinion on why ESO doesnt catch me anymore)
Oh, but it is.
If you don't like the game, you can leave. If you'd like to give feedback to the developers (i.e. the people who can actually change anything), feel free to use the/feedback feature or your e-mail. This forum is not the place for it.----
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ClaudiaMay✭✭✭you get way slower bored.
AAAAH I couldn't help it!
@ the OP, I might have read the entirety of your thread. But I can't read drunkeneese. Sorry
And as soon as I see anyone beating the dead horse that is the AH issue, I just stop caring.
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✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
It's one thing to think you may still like it. It's another to find out you didn't.
Afterall ..he did say he was an ES fan.
It's one thing to think I may possibly like the food at that seafood restaurant even tough normally hate seafood. It is entirely another thing to whine about how much that restaurant sucks after I eat there knowing that they sell seafood that I know I do not like.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
Greydog✭✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
It's one thing to think you may still like it. It's another to find out you didn't.
Afterall ..he did say he was an ES fan.
It's one thing to think I may possibly like the food at that seafood restaurant even tough normally hate seafood. It is entirely another thing to whine about how much that restaurant sucks after I eat there knowing that they sell seafood that I know I do not like.
Believe it or not there are forums for just that.
Imagine that ..someone coming to a discussion forum to have a discussion?
the absurdity!
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Believe it or not there are forums for just that.
Imagine that ..someone coming to a discussion forum to have a discussion?
the absurdity!
Whining isn't a dialogue, and this isn't a feedback forum.
The OP has a place to put his feedback for the game, but one really should question why he got the game at all when he clearly knew all these things in advance.----
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Enteum✭✭✭To be honest. I enjoy the mix of European languages. If they are linking something in German, you can click it in chat and it will display in English. I think it's great. I'm learning bits of German again
Frankly I am not attracted to your 'let's educate the part of Germany that can't fathom the English language'. Cant you make an effort and fathom some of the German language?
The problem with us English is that, everything 'has' to be English. Maybe we should just all revert back to Latin and be done with?
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None of this stuff should have been a surprise. it was in the beta and on the forums and in the advertisements and reviews since forever.SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
It's one thing to think you may still like it. It's another to find out you didn't.
Afterall ..he did say he was an ES fan.
Why'd he spend $60+ on a game that has features he knew he would not like?
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Chili✭✭timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »Consoles
This will probably infuriate many what I am saying now: the decision Zenimax made to build ESO around other platforms than PC, is a huge design flaw
But it's a good business plan.
Skryim Sales By Platform
XBox 360 59 %
Playstation 3 27 %
PC 14 %
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lordspyder✭✭✭✭✭timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »Consoles
This will probably infuriate many what I am saying now: the decision Zenimax made to build ESO around other platforms than PC, is a huge design flaw
But it's a good business plan.
Skryim Sales By Platform
XBox 360 59 %
Playstation 3 27 %
PC 14 %
Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
On top of that, this is false. I wasn't until late in the development that the decision to make this for consoles as well was made. I was designed around the PC then ported to consoles.0 -
Melian✭✭✭✭I don't get how such minor things could ruin the game for you.
I mean, guild store UI? Really? You can't have that much appreciation for the actual game if little conveniences make or break it for you.
As for world PvP, you knew it wouldn't be in the game when you bought it, or should have.
And, yeah, if people speaking German bothers you, I just hope you aren't a native English speaker and therefore a huge hypocrite.Edited by Melian on April 29, 2014 10:57PM0 -
Greydog✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Believe it or not there are forums for just that.
Imagine that ..someone coming to a discussion forum to have a discussion?
the absurdity!
Whining isn't a dialogue, and this isn't a feedback forum.
The OP has a place to put his feedback for the game, but one really should question why he got the game at all when he clearly knew all these things in advance.
Whether we like it or not, this board has become the defacto "General Discussion" forum in lieu of a formal one. If that is an issue for you, I can't help you with that. Others have posted more positive feedback in here and I have not seen anyone suggest that they take it elsewhere.
The Op has just as much right to come here and post his opinion of the issues he feels are prominent. You have every right to disagree, but just because you do, does not make his opinion any less valid.
Also, As I asked in another thread ..Ask yourself, "why did I buy this game?" I'd wager you come up with many of the same reasons he did.
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✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Not questioning the OP's opinion...it does make sense for him to leave. But why now? Many of those things were known even in advance of the beta...why'd he buy the product knowing this is how the game will work?
Whose fault is it then?
It's one thing to think you may still like it. It's another to find out you didn't.
Afterall ..he did say he was an ES fan.
It's one thing to think I may possibly like the food at that seafood restaurant even tough normally hate seafood. It is entirely another thing to whine about how much that restaurant sucks after I eat there knowing that they sell seafood that I know I do not like.
Believe it or not there are forums for just that.
Imagine that ..someone coming to a discussion forum to have a discussion?
the absurdity!
There is quite a big difference between discussion and rude insulting tirades like that of the OP and many of the complaint threads.
Saying that some game design decisions are stupid just because you don't like them is exactly as saying that the decision of the restaurant owner to sell seafood is stupid because you just don't like it.
It get worse when you come here and each of your points are already 'discussed' in 36 other threads each with a 100 posts.
It gets even worse when you start a 'discussion' where you are either by ignorance or malice spreading misinformation. (most of the rate of VR leveling/lack of leveling options complaint threads)
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