Even if we go under, it'll be okay.

Pretext

SWTOR was going to go under, they are releasing a huge update in August.

Winnower

I have two accounts, 16 characters, and 6 month subscriptions. I am enjoying the game very much and not rushing my way through it. I have one level 46 in Coldharbour and so far have encountered exactly 1 bugged side quest I can't complete, 2 or 3 lorebooks (can't remember) I can't pick up and have had no *major* bug problems.

I got banned in the big sweep and 10 hours later was reinstated with an apology. I had a CS issue the next week after being banned (last week) and it was settled within 24 hours and they threw in another apology for banning me in their call-back.

It's not even been a month since launch; if you were there (like I was) for EQ, LoTRO, and SW:TOR launches you would realize that this launch has been really pretty smooth overall.

Yeah there are problems; I don't know an MMO that doesn't have problems. The bots and the gold farmers are curently a big issue but I see them working on it and getting results. This is a war, not a battle, and I want to see them win the war.

I just wish they would charge $25 a month; I'm sure that would drive off even more of the people who enjoy complaining, and honestly, the people who complain in zone chat are the single greatest annoyance about the game and also the people who confuse me the most. I had a great aunt once who could only complain - she'd be talking about how awful her ham sandwich was even while she was chomping down on it like a starving wombat. I never understood her.

mutharex

Taid wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Last game that was going to 'die' and go F2P in 2-3 months ward FFXIV:ARR.

Still going strong after more than a year. In a week people that like to post stuff like "I had a lot of hope but it's now clear the game is dying" will move to Wowstar and infect that till something newer comes out. Gogogo freemonthers!

MOre than a year? ARR has its official release last year August? They say they have 1,8 mio players, which i highly doubt, but what they have are the consoleros and some good updates since release.

I would say if a game where the whole world is maybe as big as one zone in ESO theoretically^^ can stay with a sub-model for 9 month till now, eso could maaaaybe stay forever lol

Well ALMOST an year ok...
That was one of the 2 points I tried to make. The other being, if someone starts to talk about F2P, game is dying etc etc you can just mentally mark him as troll and move on. The game will be fine,especially after the free month is over and the least constructive elements have moved to the next game

rawne1980b16_ESO

Salsadoom wrote: »

The good news is once the 'I will never be happy with this game' people leave then the game will get better quicker with a more unified community and more specific goals.

Where do people get this rubbish from?

Not all of them are going to leave and on top of that people who do like the game sill have issues that they want resolving.

The community won't change.

I've heard someone say that in every MMO forum ever released and after the first month is up .... nothing changes.

It's delusional to think things will improve in the community.

ZiRM

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Don't worry, you won't be alone. Only the haters will be gone. My wife and I have subbed for 6 months each.

Ditto!

mutharex

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Salsadoom wrote: »

The good news is once the 'I will never be happy with this game' people leave then the game will get better quicker with a more unified community and more specific goals.

Where do people get this rubbish from?

Not all of them are going to leave and on top of that people who do like the game sill have issues that they want resolving.

The community won't change.

I've heard someone say that in every MMO forum ever released and after the first month is up .... nothing changes.

It's delusional to think things will improve in the community.

Well I suppose that he isn't talking about people that have issues and are vocal about them, but about the typical freemonther that buys the game without knowing anything about it and then spend the free month trolling the forum with "The game is dying". Like all those 'review posts'

Not that I don't hope a good part of the people with issues (like "where is the AH??" or "why just 5 buttons??" leave as well, but those peeps just talk talk talk and never go anywhere unfortunately

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KerinKor

Pretext wrote: »

SWTOR was going to go under, they are releasing a huge update in August.

Well, it did go F2P so that's 50% there.

mutharex

KerinKor wrote: »

Pretext wrote: »

SWTOR was going to go under, they are releasing a huge update in August.

Well, it did go F2P so that's 50% there.

TOR has over 500k subscribers and 1-1.5mil f2p players and makes over 130 mil a year just from the Cartel

hate can blid

chriss23

I'm a new MMO player but bought the game because I love the ES series. I'm sure there are a whole load of folks like myself who have made the jump and it's great to meet so many vets who are willing to give advice etc. It's been a bit daunting - this game is soooooooo big and there are so many achievements to complete! I'm in for the long run!

EinionYrth

Morthur wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the threads in the forum of Star Trek Online shortly after release - the life-time-subbers defending their idiotic $300 purchase against the "evil haters" that had the nerve to criticize such a wonderful game with such a "long and bright future". It went F2P (or actually P2W) within a year of the oh-so-wise life-timer morons telling everyone that their beloved game is wonderful and everything will be fixed in the next few months.

Can't wait to quote this post in a years time.

You may, or may not, be right. Why, however, do you have to be so unpleasant about it?

aegis156

Csub wrote: »

Yes, as others said, haters and people who want to turn this game to perfectly suit their personal needs / preferences and cannot adapt will leave. I can`t say for sure if this game will remain P2P, no one can (people writing that it is a fact that this game will go F2P are either ignorant or they can see the future, but if they could see the future, they would already have won the lottery and would probably not play the game), but I am also saying, and don`t forget, mostly the negative people post on forums, forums are always like this. The majority is in Tamriel, enjoying the game!

I call BS.

the Forums are a cross section of those playing, both Haters and Fanbois. Just read any thread and you can see that. Last time I care to research it around 10% of any given games player base actually used the forums.

10% is a fairly significant number. Enough to give you a pretty good picture of where your game is headed and what the hot button issues are.

As for me I already canceled my subscription, not because I hate the game, I just find no value in it. ESO bores me to death, watching grass grow provides more excitement. Perhaps I'm just jaded and need to give up gaming altogether, who knows.

mutharex

EinionYrthb16_ESO wrote: »

Morthur wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the threads in the forum of Star Trek Online shortly after release - the life-time-subbers defending their idiotic $300 purchase against the "evil haters" that had the nerve to criticize such a wonderful game with such a "long and bright future". It went F2P (or actually P2W) within a year of the oh-so-wise life-timer morons telling everyone that their beloved game is wonderful and everything will be fixed in the next few months.

Can't wait to quote this post in a years time.

You may, or may not, be right. Why, however, do you have to be so unpleasant about it?

I'll give you 100 bucks if you find any post made by him that isn't insulting or offensive. He goes in threads and posts this or other negative stuff even when it's completely OT. Candidate for the Ignore List when they implement it in the forums. that is if he hasn't finished his free days before that

Transorb

This is the first massively online Elder's Scrolls experience. For those of us who have played since the ES Arena days and earlier - we can only praise Zenimax/Bethesda for finally bringing Elder Scrolls online. This has been a longtime dream of many ES fans - and has always been perceived as "impossible."

This is one of the first megaservers, as well as Elder's Scrolls' first online experiences, not to mention that is is massively online and split between PVP and PVE. Granted they had many beta runs, there are bound to be mis-steps and errors that come with launching a new game, with a new architecture, to target audience that already has smooth, solid running games like WoW and GW2.

The turnout for this game is, in my opinion - outstanding. There are a tremendous amount of people playing this game - which with that brings lots of critics to the table. Give them a chance to fine tune and balance their system. Give them time to resolve the errors, repair some of the glitchy quests, and make some major interface improvements.

Every game has its bugs - it would be ignorant to expect a game of this magnitude to be flawless. I sometimes wonder if players ever truly understand the profound complexities of making a game of this caliber. I have heard good friends, diehard games - expect the game to last not more than 6 months. This truly offends me, it is a great game that is providing an experience that has been LONG time dreamed of in the Elder Scroll community. They are doing a terrific job of handling the large inrush of people, and doing an even better job of continuously improving their experience.

The only criticism I have, which I am not even sure of to be Frank, is that is appears they lack a general communication. Perhaps it is due to the large amount of people playing - and a general lack of staff to accommodate this.

With the revenue generated by the thousands of people who bought the game, plus subscription fee's - I would expect, and hope - that Zenimax re-invests this revenue into in-game improvements. Give them some time, they are most certainly doing a great job of handling current issues, while planning ahead endless future entertainment - regardless of your level.

Final words? Give them some time - for any of you who have played warcraft in its adolescent stages - I believe you can vouch that it was no better or worse in terms of needing adjustments, bug fixes, and interface improvements. ESO has such a profound potential to be better than all those who have previously led the way in the genre of MMORPGs.

Give them a chance, don't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon and draw conclusions.

RianaTheBosmer

I'm not quitting unless they ban me again for doing nothing, yes I was exonerated of all charges and give the form apology email so those who still think I did something wrong can stow it. I will not, on the other hand, give them a 6 month sub knowing that they will ban for no reason at all because some CS person decided to ban anyone who reported spammers, etc. (they gave me the guild bank reason, but I hadn't even opened the guild bank so I know it was for reporting gold spammers.) I may pay more but if they ban me again, they are not getting my money. I have never been banned from SWTOR, The Secret World, Neverwinter, Guild Wars 2 or any of the others I played.

mutharex

@RianaTheBosmer‌ why would you be banned for reporting gold spammers? I am asking because I do it all the time, you know, before they ban me too!
It doesn't make sense

RianaTheBosmer

mutharex wrote: »

@RianaTheBosmer‌ why would you be banned for reporting gold spammers? I am asking because I do it all the time, you know, before they ban me too!
It doesn't make sense

That's what several of us who didn't touch guild banks, weren't even in guilds, who were banned for the guild bank exploit came to the conclusion. I have stopped reporting gold spammers. I am not risking it.

mutharex

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

@RianaTheBosmer‌ why would you be banned for reporting gold spammers? I am asking because I do it all the time, you know, before they ban me too!
It doesn't make sense

That's what several of us who didn't touch guild banks, weren't even in guilds, who were banned for the guild bank exploit came to the conclusion. I have stopped reporting gold spammers. I am not risking it.

But why would they be pissed off if you help them y reporting them? That's what doesn't make any sense, there is no logic.

Cogo

Completely agree with the OP whole post.
I as well have taken the 6 month sub, for the exact same reasons.

(*) Great post! (*)

Chomppa

Liking the game so far , I have enjoyed the game and the devs finally started on the botters which is a plus . The only reason I might quit is due to my job and having to move .

Shimond

mutharex wrote: »

TOR has over 500k subscribers and 1-1.5mil f2p players and makes over 130 mil a year just from the Cartel

hate can blid

Well none of that is saying that it's a GOOD game, just a lot of Star Wars fanatics drop money on it like they do everything else Star Wars related :P

mutharex

Shimond wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

TOR has over 500k subscribers and 1-1.5mil f2p players and makes over 130 mil a year just from the Cartel

hate can blid

Well none of that is saying that it's a GOOD game, just a lot of Star Wars fanatics drop money on it like they do everything else Star Wars related :P

I haven't said it's a good or bad game, just that a lot of people consider it a fiasco but economically it does better than 90% of the market

mickd

The reviews I've read so far claim that the game doesn't know what it is. Is it a single player game or MMO? Either way they take the position that it does neither very well. I completely disagree. Where the reviewers and critics of the game see confusion I see innovation. And it's the innovation that confuses the games detractors. Being quick to criticize what they don't understand they choose the safe path of least resistance and complain rather than attempting to understand, and look at the game objectively.

RianaTheBosmer

Shimond wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

TOR has over 500k subscribers and 1-1.5mil f2p players and makes over 130 mil a year just from the Cartel

hate can blid

Well none of that is saying that it's a GOOD game, just a lot of Star Wars fanatics drop money on it like they do everything else Star Wars related :P

I'm not a star wars fanatic, in fact I hate the movies. I play it because I played KOTOR and KOTOR extended mod and Republic Commando (shooter) and fell in love with the games, SWTOR is a very good game. Anyone who says it isn't hasn't really played it or never played the class stories which are very well written.

RianaTheBosmer

mickd wrote: »

The reviews I've read so far claim that the game doesn't know what it is. Is it a single player game or MMO? Either way they take the position that it does neither very well. I completely disagree. Where the reviewers and critics of the game see confusion I see innovation. And it's the innovation that confuses the games detractors. Being quick to criticize what they don't understand they choose the safe path of least resistance and complain rather than attempting to understand, and look at the game objectively.

And they haven't played the game past the first 20 minutes. You can't review game based on the first 20 minutes.

Lalai

Looking at reviews from various sites.. I think the game will be fine for a while at least. I don't think it'll avoid F2P forever or anything like that.. but I think we'll get in a good year or two before it gets to that point (if we're lucky, even more).

Most sites that have a lot of user reviews average out around a 7-7.5ish. If you look at individual reviews (and even individual reviews on amazon.com) there seems to be a lot of polarity, which is reflected in the forums. About half the people like it and rate it really high, and then half the people hate it and rate it really low. Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people that are in the middle represented in reviews of the product. We also have to keep in mind that people are far more likely to get online and write something negative than they are to get on and write something positive, and it's launch.

Every game launch has issues, and typically those issues are forgot about a few months after the game has been out. Many of the reviews talk about the bugs and such, which are part of launch. I remember reading similar stuff (and in some cases much more dire stuff) about FFXIV:ARR.. because it was it's second launch, and people couldn't play for at least a week (in some cases quite a bit longer) due to server issues and character lockouts. That's all gone though, no one talks about that when they talk about the game.. or brings it up on the forums. It's all about the most recent content patch. Which is eventually all we'll be discussing on the forums here in time, and it will still be a majority negative because that's just what forums seem to be.

Thesiren

I would've been happy with a co-op elder scrolls, and my daughter and I would have had to keep the same quests going together there anyway, so we make due here.

Cogo

I say one thing, and this is serious.
I LOVE ESO. Bugs and all. It shows Zenimax is working, shown a roadmap, even gonna move their datacenter to EU. Release new content (WITHOUT CHARGING), release not one, but 2 new guilds with skilltrees, horseraces, dyes for clothing and the list goes on.

I played em all. Name 1 MMORPG and I might missed it but during 15 years I played em all. I havnt felt this invigorated by any game since Everquest.

But....the SECOND they for what idiotic reason, they would go free-to-play, I would stop playing.

The reason I would stop playing a game I say I love is that they just havnt made a product. Its an evolving product. And without month-subs, you cant pay good developers, CS, GMs, fixers...or even new idea. Everything will evolve around the online store.......sod that.

I am MORE then happy to live with a bug in the game that will get fixed, a game that will evolve. Then not pay anything for a product that gets old quite fast.

The only free-to-play game I know of that MADE IT (not just exist), is World of Tanks. Still, thats nothing I play.

Subscription, developer crew, resources for new features and people with loads of ideas.....THAT I pay for.

Thanks for reading if you where 4rsed :-p

Lisa

My templar has a back story and the scars to prove it. She isn't going anywhere.

My video game life has revolved around TESO release. Since my first beta I haven't bothered buying a new game. I've been following it since I first learned about it. I'm one of those ES fans that will keep her paid subscription going till the very end. I am also surprised at how much fun I'm having with the other gamers running around with me.

I would have signed up for a 12 month sub if they had it. This is a long term commitment for me.

wrlifeboil

The game isn't going under. They spent too much money to develop it to just let it die. Depending on how many monthly subscribers there are, at most it will be 'starved' in some places. But it will never die. Some people can live on bread and water for indefinite periods of time. How is that for optimism?