Play as u wish...BS

Ultack

You can play the way you want, is what they say.

But don't make a mistake too early or you will be screwed for a long time since the ONLY respec possible is at a shrine you cant access until later. And not only its far and not accessible for a long time but it will cost gold. And since its far away and u will be of higher level when u reach it, it will cost more gold.

The info you give is minimal so I take a risk each time I spent a skill point. But if it is a flop, I cant take it back and put it elsewhere. So why the hell do you penalize me even further by making me live with that useless skill I am stuck with for many more levels and even charge me to respec afterwards.

You know its a new game with not much information on its basic mechanic can be found, I checked your online guide, all lore related info. Nothing substantial on what does what, skill wise for any class.

So why the hell don't you offer an easy way to correct mistakes that will be inevitable.

Alyrn_Grey

Play as you wish is not a guarantee that every way to play is good. Instead it means you have the freedom to choose sucky builds and try and play them. Why would you expect them to hand hold you and make certain that every choice of yours was perfect?

So again play as you wish is not assurance that every choice you make will be good.

Oh and that is why you have an option to rebuild your character so that if you do cripple yourself beyond belief you can do something about it.

Nox_Aeterna

While i do agree that the respec cost is a complete absurd , reason i never respected my char , even up to vet1.

You can just gather more and more skill points , which make those you wasted less of a problem. I tossed many in skills i just wanted to lvl up , tons in crafts , still manage to get all the skills i really needed.

Ultack

Yeah so if you're not an Elder scroll specialist, where screwing up dont count since u can redo any toon as u wish with the loads of editors out there and test all the possibility u wish, you get to screw up, live with a cripple toon because due to the lack of info given, each point spent is a gambled.

I see you point now.

LadyInTheWater

Yeah, I haven't seen much of a problem. From what I can gather, there are a lot of available skill points. I did a forum search, and I think it was in the ballpark of 300+ (I think 350 was the number I found, I can't quite remember). Someone else had mentioned that there are enough skill points to cap all the crafting, all the class skills, 2 or 3 weapon trees (I can't remember exactly), all the fighters guild, all the mages guild, and 1 of the monster skills (werewolf or vampire). Something like that.

It certainly seems like quite a few.

I've put points into things that I don't much care about, but it doesn't bother me much. I know there will be more skill points later, and I'm not expecting to max out something by level 10.

I also find myself reading a lot of the tooltips for a lot of the abilities, checking the range, magicka/stamina cost, etc. since I like to have a basic idea of what I'm looking forward to building up in the future.

If you're a min/max type of player, though, I can imagine it would be a bit frustrating. But, I guess that still falls into the category of "play as you wish". If you wish to be a min/max player, I'd suggest checking the skill forums, and reading up on some of the builds that players are using, so you can plan ahead for your skill points.

XDem

Ultack wrote: »

Yeah so if you're not an Elder scroll specialist, where screwing up dont count since u can redo any toon as u wish with the loads of editors out there and test all the possibility u wish

So you're saying that since you cheat your way through single player games, there should be a way to cheat your way through an MMO, too?

Denssor

You can play the way you want to as in:

If you want to play with the most powerful build, you can.
If you want to play with the worst build, you can.
If you want to use a specific build for role-play purposes, you can.

Most people try to find the best build, and few try to pick a build for role-play value and don't focus on the power of the build. The game is well balanced in the fact that you can use any build to level up. Dungeons maybe a different story, but for normal questing it works fine. There are also tons of skill points in the game.

I would actually recommend getting every skill in your class trees (not the morphs though, I would only morph the ones I really liked). This way you can level them all up and see how each work with each other. You will have more than enough skill points to do so.

With that said, I don't see why they can't add the reset shrines to the first major cities of each faction.

Dolenz

Not BS,

They said that you could play any way that you wanted but did not guarantee that all the choices would be equal.

Alyrn_Grey

Dolenz wrote: »

Not BS,

They said that you could play any way that you wanted but did not guarantee that all the choices would be equal.

Bingo!

jircris11

Ultack wrote: »

You can play the way you want, is what they say.

But don't make a mistake too early or you will be screwed for a long time since the ONLY respec possible is at a shrine you cant access until later. And not only its far and not accessible for a long time but it will cost gold. And since its far away and u will be of higher level when u reach it, it will cost more gold.

The info you give is minimal so I take a risk each time I spent a skill point. But if it is a flop, I cant take it back and put it elsewhere. So why the hell do you penalize me even further by making me live with that useless skill I am stuck with for many more levels and even charge me to respec afterwards.

You know its a new game with not much information on its basic mechanic can be found, I checked your online guide, all lore related info. Nothing substantial on what does what, skill wise for any class.

So why the hell don't you offer an easy way to correct mistakes that will be inevitable.

the shrine to respec if your in AD is quite easy to get to. i was able to get there at level 10 just ask a guild member to go to where it is and travel to them. As far as play as you wish this game does offer more freedom then most, but it is no where near as free as a typicle TES game. Mainly due to the fact it would be almost impossible to balance for pvp.

Kayvee

I know at the beginning skill points are few and far between. It seems agonizing to try to figure out where to spend them and if you spend one on something you later realize you don't like or don't want to continue using it feels like a major failure.

However, at higher levels (especially after you clear out a couple of zones worth of skyshards) those early mistakes don't matter nearly as much as you thought they would. I recommend just rolling with what you pick and once you're into Veteran Content if you're still not happy respec then. Gold is more plentiful, and you'll be able to know what to avoid and what to focus on.

Lanatireb17_ESO

LadyInTheWater wrote: »

Yeah, I haven't seen much of a problem. From what I can gather, there are a lot of available skill points. I did a forum search, and I think it was in the ballpark of 300+ (I think 350 was the number I found, I can't quite remember). Someone else had mentioned that there are enough skill points to cap all the crafting, all the class skills, 2 or 3 weapon trees (I can't remember exactly), all the fighters guild, all the mages guild, and 1 of the monster skills (werewolf or vampire). Something like that.

It certainly seems like quite a few.

I've put points into things that I don't much care about, but it doesn't bother me much. I know there will be more skill points later, and I'm not expecting to max out something by level 10.

I also find myself reading a lot of the tooltips for a lot of the abilities, checking the range, magicka/stamina cost, etc. since I like to have a basic idea of what I'm looking forward to building up in the future.

If you're a min/max type of player, though, I can imagine it would be a bit frustrating. But, I guess that still falls into the category of "play as you wish". If you wish to be a min/max player, I'd suggest checking the skill forums, and reading up on some of the builds that players are using, so you can plan ahead for your skill points.

There is just one flaw in your logic. What if you encounter a boss early on that you cant defeat with a certain skillset? for example: playing a nightblade and not having the syphon tree skilled makes it impossible to defeat at least three boss mobs of the main and guild quest line. I HAD to respec, otherwise i would have had to level ahead of all my main and guildquest. And i spent more than 15k on it.

Alyrn_Grey

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

There is just one flaw in your logic. What if you encounter a boss early on that you cant defeat with a certain skillset? for example: playing a nightblade and not having the syphon tree skilled makes it impossible to defeat at least three boss mobs of the main and guild quest line. I HAD to respec, otherwise i would have had to level ahead of all my main and guildquest. And i spent more than 15k on it.

In beta when I encountered that problem I didn't respec but instead worked on other weapon lines to get them up to 10, didn't train any of their skills, and leveled a couple of times. Then using entirely different tactics with different weapons I took down the boss just fine.

It wasn't a matter of changing my skills but instead a matter of changing my approach.

Lanatireb17_ESO

And from where did you take the skillpoints if i may ask?

mutharex

Quests?Skyshards?Leveling?

Lanatireb17_ESO

Yeah. Right. So im supposed to level 5 to 15 levels ahead to be able to tackle a quest i couldnt tackle at the correct level because the skillset made it impossible. If THAT is play how you want works...then it is pretty flawed

Alyrn_Grey

@Lanatireb17_ESO that is just silly. Run around and collect skyshards. You can get quite a few and if you have a difficult boss you probably are just missing 1 or 2 skill that you need.

Or more likely you didn't switch up your weapons to a different weapon style and try that. I've often found that impossible bosses become merely difficult or even easy if I switch up my weapons [Note I don't even invest in any of the weapons skills].

Lanatireb17_ESO

Well, when i was level 42 having collected all the skyshards that were available to me (even using an addon showing me where they are), and running into mannimarco without having the syphon skilltree i HAD to reskill, because as every nightblade can tell you, this fight is not possible without the syphoning skilltree. And its not just one skill. you need a skill, its update, and at least 4 passives. that means, considering i collected all the available skyshards, i would have had to make at least 6 levels to be able to do so. And unless you DO play a Nightblade and have been in that situation, i doubt that you can judge it, and neither can you, mutharex

mutharex

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah. Right. So im supposed to level 5 to 15 levels ahead to be able to tackle a quest i couldnt tackle at the correct level because the skillset made it impossible. If THAT is play how you want works...then it is pretty flawed

No, a lot of quests give SP, so does collecting skyshards. By level 10 I had almost 20 SP and could 'waste' some on crafting

jircris11

What it seems to me is your approach to how your fighting these mobs/bosses is what is wrong. I screwed up so bad on my NB when i was your level..went full assassins tree nothing else. I died...a lot but was able to find ways around it, change to a ranged weapon and kill them that way, i would give you some tips but you did not mention what class you play. I have played them all to 30 and fell in love with NB..ironically it was the one i screwed up. another good thing to do is Google the kills for your class so you can get detailed information on them. If your failing it is not because of a system it is because of how you approach the encounter. Now if you are nice and WANT help feel free to pm me..i would even be willing to go to the town that has the reset shrines and have you travel to me. but if you continue to yell and rage at peoples replies then expect no help from anyone. i understand this can be upsetting but honestly its not the first mmo that you could screw your self over on. It is the first in a long time that did let you pick what skills you wanted instead of granting you "a skill per x lvls"

khur

Is this serious? People are beating lvl 42 mobs @ 15 or lower for the vampire quest line.

I'll give you that its not 'play as you want' for the first 15 levels or so - fact is you have 6 buttons and you need to have at least 4 skill lines represented just to keep them leveling so you can eventually do what you like... but really? How big of a critical error did you make? All crafting passives?

nerevarine1138

So... you're complaining because you "broke" your character before level 17?

The only conceivable way to do that would be to only put points in crafting. Otherwise, your character ain't broke.

Kayvee

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

Well, when i was level 42 having collected all the skyshards that were available to me (even using an addon showing me where they are), and running into mannimarco without having the syphon skilltree i HAD to reskill, because as every nightblade can tell you, this fight is not possible without the syphoning skilltree. And its not just one skill. you need a skill, its update, and at least 4 passives. that means, considering i collected all the available skyshards, i would have had to make at least 6 levels to be able to do so. And unless you DO play a Nightblade and have been in that situation, i doubt that you can judge it, and neither can you, mutherf...arex

Well, now that you've highjacked the thread and turned it into something about you and your woes...

You obviously made poor decisions with your skill points up to then. One skill tree is by no means "required" for any class.

Lanatireb17_ESO

Oh, really? Well, then show me any Nightblade that can defeat Mannimarco without any syphon skill.

Alyrn_Grey

@Lanatireb17_ESO you have 6 maybe 12 skills if you swap your weapon and use all different skills on the second bar. Your so badly built that you can't put together a skill/weapon combination at level 42 to beat a boss? Wow! Just wow.

On the other claw yes the game gives you to privilege and pleasure of building a character like that.

nerevarine1138

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh, really? Well, then show me any Nightblade that can defeat Mannimarco without any syphon skill.

*Raises hand*

Although most NBs will put some points in Siphoning skills because anyone with half a brain wants at least one healing skill on the bar.

jircris11

I did, was a pain in the butt but i managed. Did i die..yes i did, Was it often? Yes it was. and the fight was a royal pain in the butt...though when i won i will say...it felt great knowing i was able to beat him. Only thing that saved my but was magnum shot.

Lanatireb17_ESO

And there we go again: Play as you want (as long as you put a selfheal in your bar). DONT play a pure thief or assassin.

mutharex

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

And there we go again: Play as you want (as long as you put a selfheal in your bar). DONT play a pure thief or assassin.

Siphon isn't a 'heal' it's a damage skill that gives you some health back, like one of the DW skills once morphed. If you go full damage, you Play as You Want but then you need to be a good player I suppose

jircris11

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

And there we go again: Play as you want (as long as you put a selfheal in your bar). DONT play a pure thief or assassin.

You my friend just seem to be angry, Perhaps you should log off and calm down. or perhaps ESO just is not the game for you? im sure there are many mmos out there with this level of freedom....*ponders*....i think eve online would work..oh wait you still need to research your skills and that takes for ever..and if you screw up your..well...screwed....hmm how about ...no no those are grain skill per level. Well it seems your "screwed" to play how "they" want you to until another game that lets you play how you want comes out.

nerevarine1138

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

And there we go again: Play as you want (as long as you put a selfheal in your bar). DONT play a pure thief or assassin.

Right. Because thieves and assassins are all idiots who don't know that they might occasionally get hurt in a fight and bring along some help.