Riften Exploit Quest - "IT'S HERE"

powned

Can someone who works for Zenimax please actively montior the situation in Riften if nothing is going to be done about patching how this quest works? You've got on average 10-15 people at times exploiting this.

If you don't know what I'm talking about then while your in Riften go to the blacksmith area. Right outside you'll see some fish hung up and a quest takes place right here. You are to loot an item off a zombie that spawns but if you dont loot the quest item you can repeat the spawn of the zombie as many times as you like. Everytime that zombie spawns the zone gets a verbal message, "It's Here" which turns into spam and never ends because this situation isn't monitored at all.

This ruins the Riften experience and the overall zone experience, it is completely unacceptable to have to deal with this. What is the point of reporting the individuals taking part in this if nothing is done. This shouldn't be a situation we have to wait to have fixed as its been going on for far to long. Please, fix this as soon as possible.

Sakiri

I dont see how thats an exploit.

It *is* annoying though.

powned

Its an exploit because you are farming mobs for experience. The zombies also drop gold and items.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO

So killing mobs is an exploit now ? Farming is an integral part of any mmorpg... and so it is with this... Any difference between this and the zombies in Cold Harbor ?

SunfireKnight86

powned wrote: »

Its an exploit because you are farming mobs for experience. The zombies also drop gold and items.

That's not an exploit.

Reignskream

powned wrote: »

Its an exploit because you are farming mobs for experience. The zombies also drop gold and items.

Everybody in the game would be banned if that was considered an exploit. Last i checked grinding on the same mob isnt illegal in ESO, correct me if im wrong please.

roflcopter

Reignskream wrote: »

powned wrote: »

Its an exploit because you are farming mobs for experience. The zombies also drop gold and items.

I see no exploit. As killing mobs over and over again is not an exploit.

How about those gold farmers / people who camp a dungeons boss for loot and gold? Is one o.k. and not the other? I am not sure who is right, and may just playing devils advocate here. Something seems a miss with this topic and the statement that it is not an exploit.

Quick Edit:
Both scenarios seem to ruin the experience for other players from what it seems as threads pop up in both scenarios. Which I guess was the point of my post.

Kyosji

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

LunaRae

There are lots of instances you can do this - take Eastmarch for instance, the quest where you need to place the "cup" on the correct alter. When you place it on the wrong alter it spawns 4-5 zombies. When I was down there a group of 4-5 people were just farming by constantly placing the cup on the wrong alter. Can you call it an exploit.. sure; are there more important issues at the moment that need fixing, yes. This is a minor unintended side-effect from quests that respawn mobs when some task is done incorrectly, I don't see this as a huge problem at the moment though when compared to everything else still going on.

roflcopter

Kyosji wrote: »

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

Understood, but logically there is no difference on how it effects gameplay for others. For me, it doesn't I just work around both avenues.

Is it ok then if a gold farmer is ACTUALLY AT their computers (which if this is the stance and opens the doors to legit gold farmers) does it make it right?

EXP Farmers / Gold Farmers / Skill Point Farmers all have 1 think in common. They all want to stay 1 step and have 1 leg up on everyone else. Each of the above scenarios does take away from other players experiences in game. Just because your butt is in a chair doesn't make it right.

I am not arguing against the TOS I am just stating my opinion on this topic, that is all.

GossiTheDog

This isn't an exploit at all. It's there all through the game, it's called quest farming and they've posted here saying it's allowed.

powned

Cool, so for now, let's sweep this under the rug and continue have our chat logs in The Rift be filled with rows and rows of ...

Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here
Sirilu Tharam: It's Here

I hope I see this in a video review of the game somewhere.

powned

And the difference between your argument in Eastmarch isn't the same. Its not in a town and doesn't have a merchant 5 seconds away to sell the looted items(some people report purple items, player base sale value).

Foxhunt

roflcopter wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

Understood, but logically there is no difference on how it effects gameplay for others. For me, it doesn't I just work around both avenues.

Is it ok then if a gold farmer is ACTUALLY AT their computers (which if this is the stance and opens the doors to legit gold farmers) does it make it right?

EXP Farmers / Gold Farmers / Skill Point Farmers all have 1 think in common. They all want to stay 1 step and have 1 leg up on everyone else. Each of the above scenarios does take away from other players experiences in game. Just because your butt is in a chair doesn't make it right.

I am not arguing against the TOS I am just stating my opinion on this topic, that is all.

I would say it's okay if a gold farmer is at his computer and grinding mobs in an area for hours (because that's what legit players do too), however it's not okay when he turns around and tries to sell that gold, which is when they get banned.

roflcopter

Foxhunt wrote: »

roflcopter wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

Understood, but logically there is no difference on how it effects gameplay for others. For me, it doesn't I just work around both avenues.

Is it ok then if a gold farmer is ACTUALLY AT their computers (which if this is the stance and opens the doors to legit gold farmers) does it make it right?

EXP Farmers / Gold Farmers / Skill Point Farmers all have 1 think in common. They all want to stay 1 step and have 1 leg up on everyone else. Each of the above scenarios does take away from other players experiences in game. Just because your butt is in a chair doesn't make it right.

I am not arguing against the TOS I am just stating my opinion on this topic, that is all.

I would say it's okay if a gold farmer is at his computer and grinding mobs in an area for hours (because that's what legit players do too), however it's not okay when he turns around and tries to sell that gold, which is when they get banned.

Very true, and I can't argue with what you said. I was trying more pointing out the fact that it does effect the way others play the game and their experiences trying to work around the scenarios rather than whats a bannable offense. Because a gold farmer and and EXP farmer in the eyes of a leveling player are pretty much the same player experience it seems.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO

roflcopter wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

Is it ok then if a gold farmer is ACTUALLY AT their computers (which if this is the stance and opens the doors to legit gold farmers) does it make it right?

Gold farmers use more then 1 account at once... they might be there at their computers but they are not there activly playing "each" of the accounts they use to farm the gold... "That" is the difference here...

Personaly I can and have in some games played 2 pc's at once, one with each hand (I've been playing piano for over 35 years, and playing 2 pc's isn't exactly Beethoven ) Heck, I even once got kicked out of a group for being to mean to the healer (my second pc)

But more then 2 just isn't doable without hard or software to run it for you. And that is against the rules. You can not use software or hardware to automate a set of actions for you.

roflcopter

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

roflcopter wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

As Zeni has clearly stated time and time again. If you are PHYSICALLY there killing the same mob over and over, it is NOT against the rules. If you have a program doing it for you, it IS against the rules. There is a big difference between the two

Is it ok then if a gold farmer is ACTUALLY AT their computers (which if this is the stance and opens the doors to legit gold farmers) does it make it right?

Gold farmers use more then 1 account at once... they might be there at their computers but they are not there activly playing "each" of the accounts they use to farm the gold... "That" is the difference here...

Personaly I can and have in some games played 2 pc's at once, one with each hand (I've been playing piano for over 35 years, and playing 2 pc's isn't exactly Beethoven ) Heck, I even once got kicked out of a group for being to mean to the healer (my second pc)

But more then 2 just isn't doable without hard or software to run it for you. And that is against the rules. You can not use software or hardware to automate a set of actions for you.

Was only talking about opening up the doors to Legit gold farmers or a way to make it legit . But understandable. The main focus I was trying to get across was the game playability on both sides of the coin to a progressing player and how its viewed to them as they try to quest grind out areas. Obviously to some it is aggrivating to see people / machines constantly grind and wipe areas.

Arsenic_Touch

You do realize that you can disable the text if it's bothering you so much, right?

powned

Yes, but for this issue, I shouldn't have to. I should disable text for other reasons. Not because Zenimax is ignoring this issue atm.

Arsenic_Touch

Just because you think it's an issue does not make it one. If the text is bothering you, disable it. Quest mob farming is not an exploit no matter how you try to spin it.

Ygge

"Rancer, you madman! It's time to finish this!"

Shornhelm has similar issues with a quest a bit outside town. I can't be the only one hearing this over and over again, right?

If it's not actually an exploit perhaps something should be done about the audio range or whom receives certain messages?

powned

Ok, how do I delete this thread? This is no longer an issue since I disabled my zone text.

Turelus

They do need to sort out the broadcast audio a little more.
I'm not really happy about hearing dialogue from an NPC talking to someone else which is two steps ahead of my quest.

Also the damn anchor/random encounter sounds which play as it the person is literally right next to you, honestly the giant hooks falling from the sky and sound of the anchor is enough to get our attention, we don't need voice broadcasts!

Sakiri

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

You do realize that you can disable the text if it's bothering you so much, right?

And then I cant read what important npcs say.

Just remove that line and be done with it.

Like those invisible bandits.

moxsapphire_ESO

This thread is going nowhere fast.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

We'll look into this, everyone. Thank you.

Kazarr

As it stands it is unintentional harassment since there is a voice file played to the entire zone when it is triggered. Some malicious little person sooner or later will intentionally annoy the zone with it unless it is addressed in some way.

GossiTheDog

This is addressed in 1.1 patch notes (not yet rolled out). There's a line saying NPC's voices were sometimes being broadcast to way too large an area.

SinisterJoint

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Just because you think it's an issue does not make it one. If the text is bothering you, disable it. Quest mob farming is not an exploit no matter how you try to spin it.

when you are exploiting the quest mechanics , it is, no matter how you try to spin it.

Koltiros1005b14a_ESO

It's here!

Shillen

roflcopter wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

powned wrote: »

Its an exploit because you are farming mobs for experience. The zombies also drop gold and items.

I see no exploit. As killing mobs over and over again is not an exploit.

How about those gold farmers / people who camp a dungeons boss for loot and gold? Is one o.k. and not the other? I am not sure who is right, and may just playing devils advocate here. Something seems a miss with this topic and the statement that it is not an exploit.

Quick Edit:
Both scenarios seem to ruin the experience for other players from what it seems as threads pop up in both scenarios. Which I guess was the point of my post.

Camping bosses was never an exploit. Using automated scripts and third party programs to farm the boss for you was.