Impossible to get credit for dungeon boss....

Elvent

Zenimax, Ilessan Tower has like 10+ bots/multiboxers whatever they are and I have hit the boss once each time it spawns, it dies in exactly 1 second or less...it is not possible to get credit/achievement for boss.

http://s63.photobucket.com/user/larry_scott21/media/Screenshot_20140424_215755_zpse3131e0d.png.html

nerevarine1138

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Elvent

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Already did but it will help others to see what BS this is....and they have been here for how long now? When will they finally get rid of them? It's pure bs...

nerevarine1138

Elvent wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Already did but it will help others to see what BS this is....and they have been here for how long now? When will they finally get rid of them? It's pure bs...

Well, a few things:

1) The developers do not check this forum for reports. Posting this here is worse than useless.

2) Everyone already knows about the botting issue.

3) It's getting better. Today, I ran multiple public dungeons without seeing a single bot. It's possible they've already found a new workaround, but that's the nature of fighting bot programs.

4) Security is reactive. The developers are going to keep coming up with ways to break bots, and bot programmers are going to come up with ways to get around that. It's a time-honored tradition. So the bots will never disappear until all the gold-buyers realize that they're destroying the game.

Mortelus

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Already did but it will help others to see what BS this is....and they have been here for how long now? When will they finally get rid of them? It's pure bs...

3) It's getting better. Today, I ran multiple public dungeons without seeing a single bot. It's possible they've already found a new workaround, but that's the nature of fighting bot programs.

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3) I ran one last night and the entire dungeon was full of bots with only about 3 real players in there.

Jiub18

Do you play on US? I was always wondering why do people overreact since the last time I saw a bot was back when I first entered the empty phase of hollow city. Before that I didn't notice any of them and I even travelled back to earlier zones for materials but nothing really. Even the mailspam was like one single message/day. I suppose EU is less targeted. Maybe?

badmojo

Lucky EU, US server is infested with them.

Frosthawk

We have also amounts of bots/grieffers and all usual spamming on EU server too so you arent alone with this problem. I'm keeping recording program open while in online gaming to make sure i can take screenshot or video evidence of botting if such is needed.

Syntse

Interesting since usually it has been enough to get that one hit in for it to count completeon and it has not been hard to achieve even with multiple bots spamming the boss.

williambbechtoldub17_ESO

Most Dungeons I go to in Coldharbour have 4-5 bots going. I have been surprised that one or two dungeons had zero bots. Clearly the botters are targeting specific bosses because I suppose their drops deconstruct into more valuable items.

Vanathi

They actually do have GM's in dungeons insta killing bots now. There's a thread in this forum about it and I've seen one on Reddit too. Thank god! Hope to see it in person this weekend.

spawn10459

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Yeah because this helps right away right? or does it take months because i've seen the same people doing the same *** from day one and i've reported them about 5 times each.. Yet nothing has been done..

so your suggestion is completely useless and yet again you act as if you are GOD of the forums spreading "uninformed comments"

nerevarine1138

spawn10459 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Yeah because this helps right away right? or does it take months because i've seen the same people doing the same *** from day one and i've reported them about 5 times each.. Yet nothing has been done..

so your suggestion is completely useless and yet again you act as if you are GOD of the forums spreading "uninformed comments"

Well, it certainly doesn't take months, since the game hasn't even been out for one month yet.

And you tell me: does Best Buy customer service find out that you have a problem with your TV when you go in to the store and tell them? Or is it when you complain to your friends?

DragonMother

Elvent wrote: »

Zenimax, Ilessan Tower has like 10+ bots/multiboxers whatever they are and I have hit the boss once each time it spawns, it dies in exactly 1 second or less...it is not possible to get credit/achievement for boss.

http://s63.photobucket.com/user/larry_scott21/media/Screenshot_20140424_215755_zpse3131e0d.png.html

There are multiple cases of botting accounts in every single one of the dungeons right now. Your best bet, is to get close enough to report one, and mention bot party in so-and-so dungeon present, please eliminate. Make sure to list it under botting/exploitation. The GM's will take care of the issue. Until they find a way to terminate accounts that are buying gold, and make more advanced methods to remove these bots that's all they really can do.

spawn10459

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

spawn10459 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Yeah because this helps right away right? or does it take months because i've seen the same people doing the same *** from day one and i've reported them about 5 times each.. Yet nothing has been done..

so your suggestion is completely useless and yet again you act as if you are GOD of the forums spreading "uninformed comments"

Well, it certainly doesn't take months, since the game hasn't even been out for one month yet.

And you tell me: does Best Buy customer service find out that you have a problem with your TV when you go in to the store and tell them? Or is it when you complain to your friends?

How hard do you think it is for them to see that some one is botting? Do you think it involves much research on there end? really.. you are hands down one of the dumbest people i;ve ever talked to on Forums. I know your a Fanboy but come on man.

So your saying submitting a ticket about a cheater is like complaining to my friends? ahahha you crack me up.

WTB ignore feature for this jackass.

TheCookisMonstar

Elvent wrote: »

Zenimax, Ilessan Tower has like 10+ bots/multiboxers whatever they are and I have hit the boss once each time it spawns, it dies in exactly 1 second or less...it is not possible to get credit/achievement for boss.

http://s63.photobucket.com/user/larry_scott21/media/Screenshot_20140424_215755_zpse3131e0d.png.html

This is one of the main complaints and Zenimax has no idea what to do yet... simply they just need to instance dungeons in pve.... and in pvp they can keep it how it is...

nerevarine1138

spawn10459 wrote: »

How hard do you think it is for them to see that some one is botting? Do you think it involves much research on there end? really.. you are hands down one of the dumbest people i;ve ever talked to on Forums. I know your a Fanboy but come on man.

So your saying submitting a ticket about a cheater is like complaining to my friends? ahahha you crack me up.

WTB ignore feature for this jackass.

Do I really think it involves much research? Hmmm, let me see...

In order to effectively break a bot, a GM has to observe the bot's behavior, find the vulnerabilities in the game code which allow it to happen, patch those vulnerabilities and then swing the banhammer at any accounts that had been found botting. So yes, I think each of those things take quite a bit of time.

And no. If you read my post, you would know that submitting an in-game ticket is what you're supposed to do. Complaining in this forum serves no purpose.

And, as always, every time you use the word "fanboy," Mehrunes Dagon kills a kitten.

Elvent

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

Already did but it will help others to see what BS this is....and they have been here for how long now? When will they finally get rid of them? It's pure bs...

Well, a few things:

1) The developers do not check this forum for reports. Posting this here is worse than useless.

2) Everyone already knows about the botting issue.

3) It's getting better. Today, I ran multiple public dungeons without seeing a single bot. It's possible they've already found a new workaround, but that's the nature of fighting bot programs.

4) Security is reactive. The developers are going to keep coming up with ways to break bots, and bot programmers are going to come up with ways to get around that. It's a time-honored tradition. So the bots will never disappear until all the gold-buyers realize that they're destroying the game.

Well, a few solutions:

1) Make these easy soloable non-challenging pointless having other players *** dungeons solo to players, it's already heavily solo player friendly for an MMO which I disagree with but that's how Zenimax decided to make this game, it's actually TOO solo friendly. A lot of quests/dungeons we can't even stay grouped with friends and are forced to solo which proves my point even more.

2) Allow credit if you can tap the damn mob once....don't have to give any loot or XP after the first kill, that way this would be a waste of time farming over and over again.

3) Make these bosses scale the more the players the more challenging, difficult to kill and longer that way everyone can get a chance at credit....

4) Allow credit as long as you are near the boss even if you didn't tap it, it's a public dungeon, who cares, don't have to give any loot or xp again after the first kill.

5) Make the boss phase out after the first kill, there's no need to be able to kill a lowbie public dungeon boss over and over and over and over again, if you want loot and xp then go out and get it, stop camping a single boss for it. Was this made for bots or players? If it's for players then I'm pretty sure they didn't intend for people to just camp a single mob for hours to get loot or level.

6) Which isn't really a solution but a suggestion, have an ignore option on the forums so I can ignore your posts....because since my posts are useless, I think yours are useless as well that way instead of me having to roll my eyes looking at your posts, I can just not be bothered to see them at all which would be useful. For now on I will just pretend there's an ignore option and will just skip over your posts

ed.radleyrwb17_ESO

Playing the US server... in zones under level 35 I have NOT seen a boss without a bot camp in many days. Even tried to get in after a maint and there was already a stack at the boss. Yeah can tag for completions normally though it might take a few tries.

Now I have started to see bots in the open world, running set paths in a train.

Truly makes me feel sad that people sink so low to set up such things.

Many of the boss stacks in dungeons have been so tight I can only target a few to report them. Certainly do hope that these accounts are banned after the reporting.

Often I think the solo dungeons have more bots than players within

GLaDOS

I like the idea of the pub dungeon bosses scaling up in hp with the amount of folks hitting it. Gives other folks a chance of getting a tag methinks.

Elvent

Jiub18 wrote: »

Do you play on US? I was always wondering why do people overreact since the last time I saw a bot was back when I first entered the empty phase of hollow city. Before that I didn't notice any of them and I even travelled back to earlier zones for materials but nothing really. Even the mailspam was like one single message/day. I suppose EU is less targeted. Maybe?

Did you really just say I'm overreacting when I provided a screen shot for proof? It's s friggin level 10 boss and there's like 10 or so bots camped on it and they're around levels 7-10... Did you somehow thin the boss would last longer than a second? Just FYI bosses or enemies do not scale in this game except for veteran zones....

Another FYI the higher level you get the less bots you see in dungeons, the lower level the more you see, I have a vet2 and I rarely ever see bots in high level dungeons, but on my alts they are worse than they ever have been, I never seen it this bad before in the screen shot that I posted.

nerevarine1138

Elvent wrote: »

6) Which isn't really a solution but a suggestion, have an ignore option on the forums so I can ignore your posts....because since my posts are useless, I think yours are useless as well that way instead of me having to roll my eyes looking at your posts, I can just not be bothered to see them at all which would be useful. For now on I will just pretend there's an ignore option and will just skip over your posts

Unbunch your panties, please.

I didn't say that all your posts are useless. Just this thread.

If you want the developers to take action against a bot, report the bot. Posting here fills no useful purpose because... wait for it... this is not an alternative method for reaching the developers.

Saihung423

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

I've filed reports on these people. I actually take my character through there when passing to see if they are still around and they are every time.

Not saying they haven't done anything...but if they are doing something it is ineffectual.

Elvent

Syntse wrote: »

Interesting since usually it has been enough to get that one hit in for it to count completeon and it has not been hard to achieve even with multiple bots spamming the boss.

Yes it is interesting, I'm spamming my instant cast spell before the boss even spawns hoping to get credit and as soon as he spawns my spell lands but by the time it lands he's already dead and I did this five times in a row just trying to get the credit/achievement.

Thankfully last night a game master came in and wiped them all out and finally I was able to get credit.

nerevarine1138

Saihung423 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

File a report in-game. Posting here will not help you.

I've filed reports on these people. I actually take my character through there when passing to see if they are still around and they are every time.

Not saying they haven't done anything...but if they are doing something it is ineffectual.

Again. Breaking bots takes time.

The developers don't just ban these accounts right away, because that does nothing to fix the problem. They have to examine the bot, figure out how it works, fix that problem in the code, then ban.

Saihung423

I guess I wasn't seeing/understanding the investigative side of it. Interesting.

Drachenfier

I haven't seen dungeon botting this rampant since Lineage 2. It's getting ridiculous.

Elvent

Bump! I just started playing a new alt character to level up and this just happened recently in Hightide Hollow, so many people gathered around and people complaining that they have tried many times tapping the boss to get credit but can't because the boss gets 1 shotted.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/larry_scott21/Screenshot_20140516_230613_zps99cc9206.png

I also just noticed that bosses have a much longer respawn now so Zenimax punishes all the legit players because of farmers/bots.

All I want is the credit and completion for the dungeon, I don't farm a boss over and over again like other people do to try to get gear from it because the gear is pointless at low level and it will most likely be replaced after a few levels.

I am not sure why we were all punished having to wait 5 or so minutes for a boss to respawn just to get credit now, the botters and players that farm for gear ruined it for those of us that just wanted the achievement/completion.

Obviously long respawns didn't fix anything except maybe the bots moving to other places but so many players are gathering around now either farming the gear or trying to get credit where there isn't really any difference...if they don't get any credit they still stay hoping to eventually finish on another kill...

All Zenimax would have to do is allow people to get the achievement for being at least 5ft around the boss spawn area because obviously the long respawn isn't working and those people that want the gear...well too bad, go level or craft it, don't have to give loot or not even xp....just the achievement would be fine with me.

This really just feels broken if we're not allowed to get credit even if we do tap the boss at least once....you still don't get credit. Being a completionist type player I like to do everything that is able to be done but these instant boss kills are ruining my fun and enjoyment of how I play the game because I can't finish this because so many people 1shot the boss.

Please figure out something...there's lots of ways that this could work but instead you punish everybody.

I guess I should expect people to reply that they never had this problem before and it's something on my end and it's my problem.

zaria

williambbechtoldub17_ESO wrote: »

Most Dungeons I go to in Coldharbour have 4-5 bots going. I have been surprised that one or two dungeons had zero bots. Clearly the botters are targeting specific bosses because I suppose their drops deconstruct into more valuable items.

I thought the bosses has a timeout? you don't get loot the second time straight away but has to wait until you get loot or xp again.

An you get credit if you tap the boss, you however get no loot until you do 10% damage, you also get loot if you heal but don't know the limits here.

Getting credit is pretty easy, you know the kill 20 player quest, you get credit if you are some distance perhaps 40 meter from anybody in your group who hit an enemy who dies so it is often done before you get into range if its an large fight.

And yes you get credit even if dead, this is nice to know in the 4 man dungeons, if you die just before the boss dies don't resurrect back at wayshrine, wait until the boss is dead so you get credit, if you are far away at the wayshrine you don't get credit.

Phantorang

In Riften there was at least 10 bots looking exactly the same, all were speed hacked running at least 5x faster than normal sprinting, they didnt have to run around corners or anything, they were acting exactly like a subway, but through walls, underground, in the air. they were heading in 3 directions, I could only find 1 point where they stood still, and that was by the wayshrine as they zoned in, 4 were just standing there, while a new one constantly zoned in and flew away. Never seen anything like it, was really bad. I reported it of course, but not sure if its any point in it, its clearly a very profitable activity and new ones will pop up.

And that was only in my instance, how many Riften instances are there? Were they all in my instance, or was it just as many in other instances too? Doesnt matter really, its really game breaking, im willing to sacrifice alot of ingame stuff to get rid of them.

Svann

In my experience that kind of bot behavior stopped immediately after they added a timer to the boss's loot table. But if they are still a problem here is what I did.
1. Slot your highest immediate damage skill.
2. Go into microsoft mouse and keyboard center (download if you dont have it)
3. create a repeatable macro that spams that skill button every 0.1 second
4. stand in front of the boss and just let it run. It wont fire the skill if there is nothing there to hit, but as soon as the boss spawns it will hit him. Sometimes it fires even before the boss appears on your screen.