Vet ranks are boring...

HashxBrowns

I loved questing from 1-50 i picked being Aldmeri Dominion for a reason. If i wanted to level through the other alliances i would have made characters for them. I hate how we fight against our own. to me this was just a lazy way to hold us by till they come out with end game content. I would level my vet ranks in pvp but the xp is a joke, i played for 6 hours and only got 3% of a vet level. Vet ranks needs to be fixed. I've been playing mmos since ultimate online, people are going to quit this game because of vet ranks. If nothing is done I bet you this game will fail. reason why WoW is able to keep their costumers is because they cater to them. everyone thought WoW was to hard, people started quitting because of the big grind fest to get to 60. blizzard realized this and made the game easier to level so they got a lot more costumers. I am half way to vet 3 and i did everything in the vet 2 area. what do i do next? get into a big grind group for 10 hours till i hit vet 3 to go to the next area? I also never can find a group to do a vet dungeon... the looking for group system is broken and links you up with all dps.

rjtoole

So are you a Tank or Healer? People who play DPS solely are normally the ones that complain about lack of the latter. Why are you in a rush to V10 anyways. You claim to be an MMO vet and as such I don't think you want to be playing another and then complain on their forums stating how you have been playing MMO's since ESO. Viscous cycle is viscous.

l-wilson-1986b16_ESO

Veteran content is horribly scaled and i've had to do some serious experimentation to try and find a way to make getting through it even remotely enjoyable, thankfully i've hit a temporary sweet spot where I don't see a pack of 3 mobs and want to die inside at the thought of fighting them.

I'm not sure if at vet 4 I have outlevelled the masses (very possibly) but veteran zones are very very quiet and I actually miss the groups of people doing quests to help out on the killing because some mobs are just plain nasty.

The husband is slightly ahead of me and he says that one of the quests were absolutely terrible where he was being 2 shot consistently and harvesters are plain impossible. After a hard days work, that doesn't exactly sound like a fun night of game play to me haha but hey! If it was too easy i'd probably whine about that too so i'd rather have some difficulty.

I love the game and I am not going down the quitting line but it is getting excessively grindy and the stress of combat is likely to put off alot of softer players.

I'm suprised it is so quiet given how many people were in coldharbor with me when it was bugged, it makes me curious if i'm just running ahead or if the player base is starting to filter out and roll alts or quit the game.

I guess we'll just have to watch this space.

Laura

more content sucks I agree

Cydone

Laura wrote: »

more content sucks I agree

More boring content does. Not to mention completely devaluing the replayability of the game with the way they have it. What motivation would the pve ppl have to level up a new toon, in a different alliance, if they have already played through all that alliances content already?? It's lazy design work from ZOS and boring to boot. Far be it from ppl to have the option to do the veteran ranks via pvp or something else that's more dynamic and keeps ppl engaged.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

It's lazy design but some us really like it? No it's a design you don't like congrats, instead of stamping around trying to get your way be an adult and move on plz.

Minack

Laura wrote: »

more content sucks I agree

Busy work = Content?

What VR are you right now?

Minack

codyyoungnub18_ESO wrote: »

It's lazy design but some us really like it? No it's a design you don't like congrats, instead of stamping around trying to get your way be an adult and move on plz.

Aww man someone complained about the game! They must not be an adult!

I wasn't aware that being an adult entailed taking it up the rear on a product you paid for and enjoying the privilege.

Get used to more complaints about the uninspired VR content --It's garbage. You know it. I know it. Zenimax knows it, and as more people finally finish Coldharbour, they'll realize just how bad it is too.

Phranq

if you really hate the current Vet content, then wait for the expansion to release in a few weeks.

HashxBrowns

Phranq wrote: »

if you really hate the current Vet content, then wait for the expansion to release in a few weeks.

don't you have to be vet 10 to go to those new areas?

Cydone

HashxBrowns wrote: »

Phranq wrote: »

if you really hate the current Vet content, then wait for the expansion to release in a few weeks.

don't you have to be vet 10 to go to those new areas?

Pretty sure that you do.

ZiRM

I'm in it for the LOOT, Skill Points and the scenery!

Spriggen

I love the quietc vet zone areas. It's almost like playing a single player es game. Zone is quiet and well you can go on at it in your own pace. No get a quest and wait for it to spawn coz someone's killed it already.
Also vet content is challenging.

Mothanos

The main quests from 1 to 50 were realy fun.
This ends at V1 where you grind quests for 15 hours straight to gain a level.
The story is gone, now you farm for hours on end and for me the fun is gone.
Only thing keeping me going is my guild.

There should be more ways to gain levels as i see that many people who dont like questing might /quit at this point.
Zenimax did a bad move here, i admit that ESO has the best quest system in any mmo out there to date.
But its also the most dull quest grind you come across...
Not 1 moment did i feel engaged with any quest from V1 to V3

I just keep rushing and rushing now and its showing its toll...sadly
I wont go trough that again with my alt for sure, so the longlivety of this mmo can be realy short for althoholics like me

I just wish we could enter Cyrodiil and level there if we choose to after level 10 or 50 !
Or grind Dungeons with our guild and be rewared good exp for this...

ESO is realy shallow at this point and it might turn out that Zenimax shot their own leg off when people realise that Veteran Ranks are the most horrible part and longest part of the game...and quit before reaching v5 /v10

kasain

I noticed as a V1, and doing some mission bosses, that my damage from active traits and higher dmg weapons did not do anymore dmg.

As an example Lyris lvl 30 quest. First try 84 base dmg weapon lvl 36 and later 47 118 and lastly v1 126 weapon for dmg. Sure on trash mobs the hits are stronger. But on any boss the dmg doesn't increase.

For both those bosses in that zone I did the same dmg output for all weapons. I bring this up as there was a video where the ESO CEO was "hey get V rank, get a strong weapon and go back and bash the weak monsters that bugged you earlier.

I was very unimpressed. The game seems so shallow, Why go form V1 to 10 for slightly higher dmg, but if the traits are broken it be kinda pointless.

I did love the storyline though, but there will be little of that in the future. We know they need voice acting for all and they are broke. So they won't expand the PvE story anytime soon sadly.

mattriddle

This is what I was worried about.

I've getting close to 30, and I'm enjoying the Aldmari Dominion story, but I don't want to do the other two alliance content with my character. I'd want to make an Alt and experience it with them.

But it seems players are forced to either PvP or grind other alliance quests to gain Veteran levels.

Sadly, I don't see myself doing either.

I am sure ESO will get one $15 out of me, but I think that will be it. When I got to max level in SWTOR, the same thing happened. Seems to be a trend in this story-heavy MMOs.

Shanna

I was daunted at first to realize I was just playing the 1-50 quests of the other factions as a veteran, and I do agree that it takes the appeal out of creating chars on other factions due to already knowing what is out there. But, I also agree that it feels similar to playing a solo TES game to be doing so (at least for now, while there aren't many in the veteran zone.) Also, I was worried about the difficulty level people are speaking of, but I'm finding it relatively easy. Maybe my skills have just improved since trying these things out on the 1-50 track

stevenyaub16_ESO

You are lucky you started AD first.

AD to me is boring compared to the other zones. But i have to agree with the OP it does feel lazy that you have to go through every faction zone for VR10 (ideally) it feels cheap, and devalues the choice of faction to begin with, and it feels like 50 is the end, even though its only 1/3 of the content, and the other 2/3 being a lazy add-on.

They should have just stopped it where it ended, and if you wanted to do the other factions you can roll a character on those factions if you wish to, and give VR exp from cyrodil/VR dungeons and some other type of content.

mattriddle

Imagine if your Horde character had to complete all of the Alliance quests if you wanted to get to max level.

This is effectively that times 1.5, or having to complete the story of three factions to reach the true end-game.

Kinsaven

It's always going to be a personal opinion if it's boring or not. Personally the only 'issue' I have with having to do veteran ranks in the other faction zones, is that it damages the replayability, as was said. After I've done all of the story lines on my main character, there's no real incentive for me to try any other faction, since I've already done all the quests. Of course there are more classes to level, but since you've already seen everything, it just won't be as interesting.

I would love to see the other methods for leveling your veteran ranks (PvP, dungeons) be made more viable, so you can choose how you want to level without your chosen method being agonizingly slow. And no, before anyone says anything, I don't mean you should be able to rush, I'm just talking about leveling the playing field between various methods so you have a choice.

Bars

[quote="mattriddle;
This is effectively that times 1.5, or having to complete the story of three factions to reach the true end-game.[/quote]

lol that's the problem we don't have endgame yet , so they had 2 do something

Gisgo

mattriddle wrote: »

But it seems players are forced to either PvP or grind other alliance quests to gain Veteran levels.

I wish i could be "forced" to PvP to rank up
At the moment all you can do is questing, questing, questing...

Loxy37

Spriggen wrote: »

I love the quietc vet zone areas. It's almost like playing a single player es game. Zone is quiet and well you can go on at it in your own pace. No get a quest and wait for it to spawn coz someone's killed it already.
Also vet content is challenging.

Me too. All the chests and mats are ripe for the picking!

apterous

everything works just fine, i don't get why there is this amount of whine.

tylarthb16_ESO

vet ranks do diminish any built up sense of loyalty to our original alliance. We go from deallin with atrocities of the enemy alliance and defending ours, to becoming best mates with the enemy leaders

StoneSilence

I don't mind the slower leveling, 1-50 was way too fast in my eyes. I also don't mind having to quest V1-V10, after all if you enjoyed 1-50, there is more of it V1-V10. Enjoy it.
I don't mind the increased difficulty, since 1-50 was a walk in the park. I think of it as tutorial/learn to play your character phase.

But I do agree there is a reduced to non-existent replayability for alts. I don't see a solution to this and I do think it's a significant problem.
As others have said the lack of Alliance loyalty also bugs me. At least they could have changed the other faction quests and story a bit to make the player a spy or trouble maker who is still working for the benefit of their own alliance.

joanjett

Yup i agree all this extra content sucks! I rather there be no content at
all so i can really *** up a storm about no end game and lack of content.
But i guess i'll have to go this way and make it sound good like yeah they got
lazy and now i won't want to play the other 2 fractions and so on

surge914b14_ESO

there wasn't a disapprove option but at least there was a laugh at the person option haha. Seriously, some people complain about splitting the game where your forced to miss out on certain quests because your not a certain character. Zenimax makes it so you can enjoy all the factions quest so you don't miss out and you complain? I think it's neat that I don't have to make 3 different characters just to experience the other quests plus the veteran levels are there to give you something to do. Honestly people complain when there isn't much to do but then when they get stuff they complain that they don't want to do it.

SexyVette07

I love seeing people complain that Veteran rank mobs are too hard. Try removing your head from....the sand.... and try using some support abilities instead of trying to faceroll dps. Its supposed to be more challenging, its called VETERAN content. Does anyone realize what that word implies?

The day they nerf veteran content because baddies refuse to L2P is the day the game dies. If anything, they need to make it more difficult.

kasain

keeping veteran hard could be fine, but they don't need it as grind as it is. They should allow players options of questing, PvP, or dungeons. Players like choices. And even if a few people on here like the super hard mode, keep in mind 70-80% of people will not tolerate it and eventually walk away for a game they can relax on and feel a sense of accomplishment.


As it is some people did the Pvp 20 death kills or some dungeon spams to get v10 rank, and those players now feel a sense of entitlement, but they used broken structures so they lose reality of what the majority face.

Personally I do hope they add more PvE for veteran, as that is something I would pay a monthly sub for. PvP is barely active my time zone and most people will get burned out on it as it is. But a great story like PvE offers is awesome!

Locke_ESO

I think the biggest issue with VR levels (at least for me) and the reason it feels like such a grind is because suddenly there is no more story that relates to my character and there is also a failure on Zenimax's part to break up each level with enough different content - specifically the VR dungeons. If there was more to the VR quests than just a straight repeat of an alternate factions experience from level 3 then it would probably be more interesting. When it's so obviously not an extension of your characters journey and just a way to add more quest content it becomes a little boring. Going from being a "Hero of the Dominion" to defending the enemy is a little weird. At present I mostly scan and skip. I know a lot of people just click the NPC and go "1", "1","1" etc to skip the dialogue totally.

The VR dungeons should also be appropriately scaled and itemized to the VR level zone they are in. This would break up the exp grind with something different to world bosses and dolmens. The vast majority of players seem to be skipping them entirely until around VR7+ where they grind the easy ones (Way Rest sewers) for exp and VR10 loot. You could even add at least 1 dungeon per area to Cadwell's Almanac. If they are going to be difficult then they should of been VR6+ content with appropriate loot and then made the world content much faster to get through.