Slow your Roll Folks

RianaTheBosmer

Does it honestly matter how other people play, or that I have 7 characters that I'm currently working on, play around 4 hrs a night and several hours on the weekend and only have two characters that are level 18. *shrugs* Nope, not unless my friends want to do dungeons but you know what, they love playing like I do, there is no hurry, but I don't chastise the players who push through. Not my fault they don't have a life *I jest*.

Tarwin

I think we all have a different idea of what "casual" is. For me it's maybe a couple of 5hr sessions on weekends, then two or three nights a week for 2-3 hrs.
I think some people think if they aren't sitting in dirty underwear eating frozen pizza's and drinking Mountain dew, they are "casual"

Been playing since EA and have main at 36 and three alts around level 7 and I do believe I have missed about 5-10% of content up to where I am now

SuperScrubby

I'm almost VR2 while leveling and alt and taking some time off the game. I haven't played hardcore nor did I rush. The game is just that easy. I'm a casual player and It didn't take long for me to hit VR1.

If you're new to MMO's, didn't have an idea of your build beforehand, suck at games, listen to every piece of dialogue and read every random book then yes this game will take a long time for you. But even then the exp itself is very easy to get and quests are not difficult.

So when people say that people have rushed through a game and need to slow down that's not always true. Some people rush, those that are at VR5+ rushed through and the ones that hit VR10 in the first week exploited something. But I believe most of the game population is nearing Coldharbor or just hitting VR1. So should those people slow their roll too?

lioslinn

I think a lot of people have forgotten what casual means. I play an hour per day, 3-4 days a week. On the weekends if I'm lucky I can play 2-3 whole hours with my husband. If that`s not casual, what would you call it? sporadic? A lot of people with young kids or who work long hours play less than 10 hours a week. I don`t consider 4 hours a day casual. Of course you can play in a casual style, ie take your time and explore but it,s still a huge chunk of your time spent on one hobby.

Before kids I used to play hours a day on everquest (waaaay back in 2000) and had a blast, great guild, friends etc. Heck I met my husband in my guild, how geeky is that but I never would have described myself as a casual player then.

I find it a bit silly to hear people say they`re rushing to 50, playing 'profesionnally' (sorry that makes me smirk) to avoid the monthly fee. So you'll dash to end game in a month to save a measly15$? You realize that's pennies per hour played yes, the price of a lunch? Dunno just sounds cheap to me

But to each their own. As long as they have fun and not whine for lack of content.

RianaTheBosmer

SuperScrubby wrote: »

I'm almost VR2 while leveling and alt and taking some time off the game. I haven't played hardcore nor did I rush. The game is just that easy. I'm a casual player and It didn't take long for me to hit VR1.

If you're new to MMO's, didn't have an idea of your build beforehand, suck at games, listen to every piece of dialogue and read every random book then yes this game will take a long time for you. But even then the exp itself is very easy to get and quests are not difficult.

So when people say that people have rushed through a game and need to slow down that's not always true. Some people rush, those that are at VR5+ rushed through and the ones that hit VR10 in the first week exploited something. But I believe most of the game population is nearing Coldharbor or just hitting VR1. So should those people slow their roll too?

Wait, you're saying that people shouldn't listen to dialogue. That's the point of the game, you listen to every piece of dialogue or you ARE rushing the game. And honestly, I don't suck at any game. I took a boss down in a dungeon by myself when my team died but I take my time with the game and enjoy the world. What's the point if you don't? Why bother playing if you're just rushing and then complain when you get to end game that there is no end game?

Chalybos

I don't rush games. I paid for it, I want to enjoy it, get my money's worth. I'm not going into NYC, sitting down at The Blue Fin, ordering their sesame crusted bigeye tuna, then trying to see how fast I can finish it off. Am I late to the end-game? Almost always. Am I okay with that? Always. Do I tradeskill? Always - okay, the only exception to that rule was Star Trek Online, because it was OMF'nG terribad. But I digress. That playstyle lets me help my friends who are late to the game, or extremely casual. That's my decision, and as much as I would expect those who rush to respect it, you've also got to respect their choice. Respect doesn't mean agreeing with, by the way.

Life's too short for cheap cigars and bad whiskey.

Gedalya

I feel that the progression is quite good; my main character is level 28 and I've been playing it since early access. I have two characters and I actually was reading another thread earlier as I was interested in leveling quicker for my level 10 character. I don't think people should get so offended to see a VR 10 or level 50 running about; people play at different paces.

MercyKilling

knightblaster wrote: »

These threads always amuse me.

Some people play much faster and more efficiently than others

There's only one problem with this sentence.
The word "efficient" is in no way, shape or form EVER applied to the word "play". It's most certainly NOT in the definition of the word...and if you -do- associate the word or words "efficient" and/or "optimal" with play.....

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Varivox9

I normally have the same attitude as OP does here, but that excuse is wearing thin for me after over a decade of making it.

I get the game JUST came out and it won't have WoW's 10 years worth of content, but, imo, ESO (and all MMO's for that matter) should have more endgame content ready at the start. I'm personally tired of making the same excuses every MMO, and I apologize for ever making them in the first place. They are excuses for mediocrity. This goes double imo when the game has a sub fee.

"It just came out, it has to have bugs." - Yes, but we shouldn't say that like it is a good thing.

"No endgame? The game just came out, it's your fault it doesn't have the content." - It did just come out, but we should always expect better, especially with a sub fee.

"Bots are in every MMO, give them time." - They are in every MMO, not nearly as rampant as ESO, but they are there. We shouldn't pacify ourselves into thinking ZO's not planning anything for it is ok though.

If you are charging me the same sub fee as other games, I expect things for it. I think that may very well be one of the main issues I have with the game atm. I don't have anything to look forward to, except a massive VR grind. I'm not expecting 10 years worth of content, but I'm expecting more than 0 years worth of it.

Armitas

There are several ways the term "casual" gets used. The original meaning of casual is to be without definite or serious intention. Ones available play time is not indicative of whether or not a player has serious intentions. One could have serious intentions for the game but lack the available time to display those intentions in a timely manner.

Sometimes people call those who appreciate the world and experience over personal performance as casual which I think is a misuse of the term. Those peoples intentions may also be serious. Just because they are not serious about the same things doesn't mean they are not serious about the game.

Often the term casual refers to a group of players who either do not, or cannot, put in as much time as another group of players and yet want identical rewards. For example a group who wants the rewards for dungeon X, that took most people a month of time and effort to complete, without going through the same amount of effort as a previous players. The distinction here is the addition of a demand for equal rewards. This is where two worlds collide and the term is used as a negative distinction.

Draksun

Decimus_Rex wrote: »

Chryos wrote: »

Guys... hear me out. This game just came out, it's been a month. You guys speed rush to the end game like your lives depend on it. Now you have to wait for the game to catch up. Relax, EVERY mmorpgs has these issues. If you went at a normal pace like most people that stop and smell the roses you would not have these issues. You have got to give ZOE a chance to work on the game before you start griping about quitting. It's been a month, I am level 30, I do pvp, I quest, I explore, I goof off. I have literally no problems. I've played mmorpgs for going on 30 years now. This is the smoothest rollout of a online game I have ever played. Games like EQ1 and UO had more downtime than uptime when they were released. You are the only ones to blame if you spend every waking hour in game playing instead of a healthy mix of RealLife and gaming as a hobby. Do you really expect 10 years of refinement from an MMO in the first month? Some of you started playing WoW years after it was released and so think because it was new to you there were no problems. Give ZOE some credit. This is a great game, so enjoy it. The game will still be here so you dont have to try and beat it in the first month.

The game Xp needs reset to a much slower pace

BUT

To do that you will need to add more content in EVERY zone to disguise the grind

AND

Judging by the SWToResque like service and stability of this game

That will beee........

Next Year sometime.

SO

Three months and

OUT

With your four R10 toons

Been VR's since week two of release and many with two in less than a month

I know no one will like this next statement

BUT

ESO will be a ghost town in 6 months at that pace from sheer boredom

Slow content added,stability issues,bug fixing and almost no end game with a good percentage of people already there you know the inevitable

It will have to ghetto ,by ghetto I mean

F2P.................!

I totally disagree. its your loss for rushing through the exploration part of the game and it will be your loss when you unsub. VR by week two really? I am only level 34 on my main with a few level 10-15 alts. This is a game that rewards the explorer not the hardcore grinder who has to get to end game only to find out there is none. What a joke!!!

Dahlia_Bristow

Varivox9 wrote: »

I normally have the same attitude as OP does here, but that excuse is wearing thin for me after over a decade of making it.

I get the game JUST came out and it won't have WoW's 10 years worth of content, but, imo, ESO (and all MMO's for that matter) should have more endgame content ready at the start. I'm personally tired of making the same excuses every MMO, and I apologize for ever making them in the first place. They are excuses for mediocrity. This goes double imo when the game has a sub fee.

"It just came out, it has to have bugs." - Yes, but we shouldn't say that like it is a good thing.

"No endgame? The game just came out, it's your fault it doesn't have the content." - It did just come out, but we should always expect better, especially with a sub fee.

"Bots are in every MMO, give them time." - They are in every MMO, not nearly as rampant as ESO, but they are there. We shouldn't pacify ourselves into thinking ZO's not planning anything for it is ok though.

If you are charging me the same sub fee as other games, I expect things for it. I think that may very well be one of the main issues I have with the game atm. I don't have anything to look forward to, except a massive VR grind. I'm not expecting 10 years worth of content, but I'm expecting more than 0 years worth of it.

If you're seeing the same issue with every new MMO, then maybe it's your expectations that are off. I don't see how it's possible for any developer to provide the same level of content in a new game that other games had ten years to develop.

If you continue to hold the bar high and are disappointed over and over again, you're approaching and approximating the definition of insanity.

It may be time to reassess your expectations.

SuperScrubby

I didn't listen to all the dialogue or read every single book. I've read some of them and listened to some dialogue but when it comes to time I don't have a lot of it when it comes to playing games so I personally maximize the time I spend on doing the main story quests and exploring.

Not everyone plays this game to listen to every single quest dialogue and read every single book they stumble across. Some do, but you have other people that are here for the main story, the PvP and the different combat aspect.

Personally as I've stated elsewhere I don't think all the quests are well done, so I don't listen to all of them. I personally think there are too many quests but that's my own opinion.

The whole point is that just because you enjoy reading every single book or scroll you run across doesn't mean that everyone else does too.

I consider myself casual because I only devote a few hours to this game a night due to long work hours. I do so at the expense of going to the gym. Otherwise if I was going to the gym it would knock my game time down to an hour or 2 max.

I think casual is defined by a) playtime and/or b) the nonchalant attitude that someone has when playing. For me it's because of a) mainly and sometimes b).

Saihung423

This is how slow my roll is.

Armitas

Saihung423 wrote: »

This is how slow my roll is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

Pantemporal

Other developers have a terms for this style of gameplay, the mad, frantic rush to level cap: The Locust Effect.

The Locust Effect is a developer listening to, and catering to, the cries of the playerbase that does nothing but burn to max level, skipping all content below that, then crying for more. The developer then spends 4-6 months to produce new, high-end content... which the locusts burn through in 2-3 weeks. At which point they begin clamoring for more.

Developers have found that is not a sustainable financial model for a MMO. Thus, content caters to the Silent Majority. The people that log in, play for a few hours, log back out. Sometimes they group. Sometimes they solo. Some of them may even be at max level with max gear, but have several alts. Catering to the playbase that must rush through to the end as fast as they can is not where the money is any longer, and developers are not making games for that section.

To those that cry this game will go F2P, maybe it will, maybe it won't. But I think it will be more of a failure of the subscription model than from bored rushers having nothing to do.

lioslinn

Pantemporal wrote: »

Other developers have a terms for this style of gameplay, the mad, frantic rush to level cap: The Locust Effect.

The Locust Effect is a developer listening to, and catering to, the cries of the playerbase that does nothing but burn to max level, skipping all content below that, then crying for more.

Developers have found that is not a sustainable financial model for a MMO. Thus, content caters to the Silent Majority. The people that log in, play for a few hours, log back out. Catering to the playbase that must rush through to the end as fast as they can is not where the money is any longer, and developers are not making games for that section.

Well said!

YourNameHere

There will be people who speed through everything. There will be Min/Maxers. Casuals. Hardcore RPers and PvPers.

Hopefully Zenimax won't gave in to any one group because they are 'quitting' since they made it to VR rank in a week or something.

You can't force a person to do something they don't want to do. You can't force a casual player to all of a sudden hardcore raid.

I take my time through the game. I'm level 33 now? I think ... and I never leave an area until I find all the quests, make the whole map 'white' by finding all the places, getting the Skyshards, etc.

I don't want people forcing others to play their way, and saying it is wrong. Been through enough of that, why I left FF14 and came here. it's more open and fun for me, so I can enjoy it in the time I have to play.

Shimond

I suspect their timing of Craglorn is set to coincide with when they figure the majority of the playerbase they're catering to will be able to run it.

Since Craglorn isn't out yet (and won't be for a few weeks at the least, I imagine) it's pretty clear they're not catering to the content rushers here.

RookBorn

So some of the people here have been commenting saying that if you're veteran, automatically you're a potato...

I love this game. I play it alot, probably more than I should (which isn't the point) but I take time out to do other things... I probably play a good 5-6 hours on weekdays and 0-11 hours on weekends (depending on what's happening like girlfriend over, going out(which is rare)) But does that make me not experience the content? To not taste what ESO has to offer? I've personally made sure that i've followed every questline I can. I repeat the story in my head so I can really savor the game and enjoy it properly. I take time to admire the scenery, I read on the forums a lot and I also am a quest completionist (meaning I like to get all the quests done in zones).

Does that make me going too fast? Am I going slow enough for you guys?

Jesus christ, just because I don't want to play at the pace that the rest of you guys do doesn't mean that i'm wrong for playing that way. Yes, I believe that people that have rushed the game to get to end-game, then to complain about the lack of content shouldn't be playing a game like ESO. But for someone who plays semi-hardcore, does that really make me a bad person because I like playing a game more than I probably should?

...just as many of the people here are casual players who have accounts at say level 30 with many alts, good for you... But you're missing out on some awesome quests

I believe it's fine to go at your own pace as long as you account for your actions and not complain. If people want to go rush content and then get bored at the end, go ahead - but don't complain. You made that choice alone. For the people who will never reach max level because they enjoy exploring - good on you, but don't have a go at us people who enjoy the game as much as you but play it more often due to free time.

Setarcos

RookBorn wrote: »

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I don't think many are really criticizing people for spending a lot of time in game, so much as people who do so AND either:

• Call themselves "casual"
• Whine about there not being enough content

In other words (I am using 'you' in the figurative sense here, not you personally)

• "Yeah, 'casual' is spending more than half your waking, non-work time in game. /sarcasm"
• "no 'you' didn't get to VR10 in two weeks, 'you' got to VR10 in 200 hours".

Loxy37

Let's me get this right. You have been playing MMORPGs for over 30 years? What trickery is this?

RookBorn

Setarcos wrote: »

RookBorn wrote: »

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I don't think many are really criticizing people for spending a lot of time in game, so much as people who do so AND either:

• Call themselves "casual"
• Whine about there not being enough content

In other words (I am using 'you' in the figurative sense here, not you personally)

• "Yeah, 'casual' is spending more than half your waking, non-work time in game. /sarcasm"
• "no 'you' didn't get to VR10 in two weeks, 'you' got to VR10 in 200 hours".

I feel like I have a bit more of an understanding. You're saying that people on this thread are complaining for reasons that do not concern them, right?

I think I understand. Although it is quite hypocritical that i'm complaining about others (as it shouldn't be my place) I feel that some of the people on these forums forget that everyone has different schedules, lifestyles. I feel that people should be able to play at their pace and not feel judged;

but also not be able to complain if they missed the content that they spam-clicked through.

Cheers for that, I appreciate it. Makes a bit more sense now breaking it down