VR10 already? How?

Arreyanne

loco wrote: »

Been VR10 for a while, haven't actively played in a few days. Ignored story, stories are for single player games, MMOs should be about persistent worlds.

Game is boring, not resubbing.

For those who like quests, you'll love VR ranks, it's about as quest grindy as you can get.

I find it boring as well and my main is only 29

The reason I find it boring, there's nothing to grind, its quest, quest, quest, quest ,run around, run around, run around. Ya Skyrim is full of quest as well and i find it alot less boring.

Dragons dropping in unannounced, if you have the right mods, Which make for interesting and challenging fights, Audiwen at 60-65 is a completely different fight than at 10-15.

Like Tera, I love fighting BAMS (especially before the nerf bat hit them). There's no place Ive found in game that even closely resembles a BAMMING good time

Vikova

Powerleveling is the same in most MMOs. AoE grinding.

Myopinion

grizzbi wrote: »

A lot of those rusher just play the beta to discover and list the exploits. These exploits are more or less "legit". When the game is released, they use them to reach their goal. And then they just tell everybody how to do so, so that the obvious issues have to be fixed in the next patch. When they are officially discovered and corrected, all the other people have to actually play the game the way it was meant to be played. And those first guys will be sure to keep their "advance" to discover the new bugs, exploit them, etc...

In all the game it's the same old story.

If you got (really) nothing better to do at the moment and join one of those "hardcore guild", you can see how it works behind the scene. And there's nothing awesome. Just a bunch of guys trying weird things to discover bugs and exploits and then use them over and over like headless chickens. It just takes 10 sec on TS to be "accepted" in one of those guild. But I wouldn't do that even for money. Such a desperate place to be ^^

I'm not telling this guy or this one did that. I'm sure you can reach the level cap quite quickly, alone. And honestly I just don't care.

Quoted for analytically true. Well- thought up write-up.

masterlouppub18_ESO

TheCookisMonstar wrote: »

masterlouppub18_ESO wrote: »

TheCookisMonstar wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

I'm curious how people get to VR10 so quickly. Do you guys just rush through the quests? Grind for xp in a particular area? Become emperor of Cyrodiil?

It's not that I want to copy your process, I'm happy plugging away at my own pace. I'm just curious how you do it so quickly.

5 days game time avg per faction 1-50 x 3 = v 10 ... 15 days totay gametime ... anyone less than 12 days game time used an exploit

lol what? You can go from V1 to 10 in 4 days play time and 1-50 in 24 hours

Methods of obtaining that speed in level are not legit... using them will get you banned.

Legit leveling takes 5 days game time per faction.... longer if you stop to read and enjoy the stories.

Right.

1-50 - Aoe grind - less than 24 hours
V1-3 Do the mini dungeons, world boss and anchor in the V4-5 zone for 35-45k xp per - 3 hours
V3-10 - speed run banished cell. 12-15minute per run. 1 rank every 7-10hours

Sarenia

loco wrote: »

Been VR10 for a while, haven't actively played in a few days. Ignored story, stories are for single player games, MMOs should be about persistent worlds.

Game is boring, not resubbing.

For those who like quests, you'll love VR ranks, it's about as quest grindy as you can get.

Challenge Time!

Define a "persistent world" that completely excludes any sort of quests or lore. If you're not paying attention to your environment, or there's no environment to pay attention to, how can the world have the appearance of progressing persistently?

Note to forum goers: If your logic looks like this, you probably fall into the category people are speaking of when they say, "I can't wait for the free monthers to be gone."

dreildragb14_ESO

Day 2 of the 5 days early access launch people were already lvl 50 using the rings of mara doing god knows what. At about 36 hours in I seen the 50's myself backtracking boss mobs and such.

So as far as VR10... whats took you guys so long?

tallenn

At least some of the people at VR 10 were PTS beta testers. Many of these guys have been playing the game for over a year already. They've already seen the quests and played through the stories. They aren't bypassing anything they haven't already seen.

I know when I play a new character in Skyrim, I don't sit there and listen to the same college quest dialogue that I've heard 20 times, do you? It's pretty much the same thing. This game and these quests may be new to you, but to those folks, they're not.

Korah_Eaglecry

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I am vr 3 and I been 100 percenting zones, and taking time to enjoy the story. I can see people getting it easy.

Some people are just better

Or have no work/girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband = too much free time

badmojo wrote: »

I'm curious how people get to VR10 so quickly.

A lot of people have been actively using PvP quests for leveling until they've been made daily.

Again with the assumption that someone doesnt have a job....Or arent hardworkers because they have more free time then you do..

Not everyone is interested in getting married....Not sure why that is hard to comprehend.

Inversus

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I am vr 3 and I been 100 percenting zones, and taking time to enjoy the story. I can see people getting it easy.

Some people are just better

Me too. Going through at a reasonably slow pace, already VR3.
I'm guessing if the VR10 had rushed through the story they could have easily got to VR10 by now.
But I'd bet most of them were grinding for levels.

dreildragb14_ESO

You should be seeing a lot more VR10's but quest stopping bugs poped up, like they did with "Force" on youtube.

rhubbert_ESO

Arreyanne wrote: »

I find it boring as well and my main is only 29

The reason I find it boring, there's nothing to grind, its quest, quest, quest, quest ,run around, run around, run around. Ya Skyrim is full of quest as well and i find it alot less boring.

Dragons dropping in unannounced, if you have the right mods, Which make for interesting and challenging fights, Audiwen at 60-65 is a completely different fight than at 10-15.

Like Tera, I love fighting BAMS (especially before the nerf bat hit them). There's no place Ive found in game that even closely resembles a BAMMING good time

That is a very valid point. It doesn't bother me personally but it would be cool if more random events happened like that. However, it may equally frustrate some.

My /played is 3 days 4 hours and I am Level 38. I have played every quest so far that I have come across but didn't listen to the dialogue. I find combat and dungeons so much more fun in this game then in other MMOs because of the high level of attention needed. By that I mean "twitch combat" (needing to actively swing, aim, dodge).

I plan on going fast to 50 with my first character then focusing on the story with an alt so I will have something to play alone as well as in higher tier groups.

badmojo

tallenn wrote: »

At least some of the people at VR 10 were PTS beta testers. Many of these guys have been playing the game for over a year already. They've already seen the quests and played through the stories. They aren't bypassing anything they haven't already seen.

I know when I play a new character in Skyrim, I don't sit there and listen to the same college quest dialogue that I've heard 20 times, do you? It's pretty much the same thing. This game and these quests may be new to you, but to those folks, they're not.

I see what you're saying, but I don't agree in this case. Simply skipping the dialogue isn't going to get someone to VR10 in the amount of time that this game has been out. Someone would have to spend long days "playing" this game, deliberately trying to level up, in order to reach VR10 already.

Speed running banished cells ~28 times per veteran rank is not a result of somebody already playing the beta.

Getorix

Great thread, I used to think I had a problem and spent too much time playing video games.

Food4Thought

Knovah wrote: »

I can understand if they are bored of the game. You spend 10 -18 hours a day glued to a computer game for any amount of time; I can't imagine not being sick of it.

It's like cake we all love it but eat a whole cake and not a slice you will get sick of it. I know some people that’s all they do is game (still have gamer friends and that is all they do) and hey if that is how you want to spend your time and money it is a free world. I will never tell anyone how to live and what to do.

BUT for me personally...

I use to be one of those hard core gamers back in the day ( only 27 ) but I do remember having more free time and I spent it raiding hour after hour after hour …I loved my time in game . Now a days (and this was about 7 to 8 years ago till about 4 years ago) I can't sit longer than two hours and I need fresh air or something. I have no kids and no I am not married (only to Uncle Sam ) so my free time is pretty much mine. I still only manage a couple hours (2 tops) maybe a day and that is not everyday.

Might take me forever but I will get there at some point. I play with a group of friends so I am sure they will push me a tad bit to get on a little more, but summer is coming up and my days off I plan on being at the beach( lol I don't mind working nights in the summer my days are free)…they will have to get me on rainy days … I love the game no hurry for me I am enjoying every bit I can of it. I am an achievement junkie.

Back when Age of Conan released, I joined a guild that claimed they were hard core gamers. And sadly I didn't take them seriously. Before release they lined up questing groups with the understanding that the groups were going full throttle all EA.

As I stated earlier I didn't take this seriously. I had some work commitments I couldnt' get out of and thought I could play a little catch up if I gamed all night and then be in a position to get in with one of the upper level groups the next morning.

How wrong I was. Those PVP feins didn't stop playing for 48 strait hours. By the time I logged in for the very first time, most of the groups were already in their teens. By the time I hit my low teens, most of the groups were in their upper 20s. There was in fact no catching them at that point.

And sadly, the game was a mess at release. Within two weeks my guild was ready for end game content that simply didn't exist. So they went to the only zone that players could get their final levels in and gank anybody who stepped foot in it. They literally owned the placed and made it hell for anybody who was not in the guild. By the time I finally got to the point where I could join them many of them were already talking about leaving the game and in truth the guild didn't even exist two months after release.

But as many people who played the game know, AOC lost 1/2 of their subscriptions in the first three months. It was a beautiful game that release way to soon and wasn't prepared for a mass of players to be completely finished with game content within the first 30 day.

I am not saying ESO is like AOC, but the player mentality is still the same. You either get through the door first, or you have to expect to be cannon fodder for those that did.

Pinn

loco wrote: »

Been VR10 for a while, haven't actively played in a few days. Ignored story, stories are for single player games, MMOs should be about persistent worlds.

Game is boring, not resubbing.

For those who like quests, you'll love VR ranks, it's about as quest grindy as you can get.

Lol

"It is better to travel well than to arrive"
--Buddha

Knovah

Food4Thought wrote: »

Knovah wrote: »

I can understand if they are bored of the game. You spend 10 -18 hours a day glued to a computer game for any amount of time; I can't imagine not being sick of it.

It's like cake we all love it but eat a whole cake and not a slice you will get sick of it. I know some people that’s all they do is game (still have gamer friends and that is all they do) and hey if that is how you want to spend your time and money it is a free world. I will never tell anyone how to live and what to do.

BUT for me personally...

I use to be one of those hard core gamers back in the day ( only 27 ) but I do remember having more free time and I spent it raiding hour after hour after hour …I loved my time in game . Now a days (and this was about 7 to 8 years ago till about 4 years ago) I can't sit longer than two hours and I need fresh air or something. I have no kids and no I am not married (only to Uncle Sam ) so my free time is pretty much mine. I still only manage a couple hours (2 tops) maybe a day and that is not everyday.

Might take me forever but I will get there at some point. I play with a group of friends so I am sure they will push me a tad bit to get on a little more, but summer is coming up and my days off I plan on being at the beach( lol I don't mind working nights in the summer my days are free)…they will have to get me on rainy days … I love the game no hurry for me I am enjoying every bit I can of it. I am an achievement junkie.

Back when Age of Conan released, I joined a guild that claimed they were hard core gamers. And sadly I didn't take them seriously. Before release they lined up questing groups with the understanding that the groups were going full throttle all EA.

As I stated earlier I didn't take this seriously. I had some work commitments I couldnt' get out of and thought I could play a little catch up if I gamed all night and then be in a position to get in with one of the upper level groups the next morning.

How wrong I was. Those PVP feins didn't stop playing for 48 strait hours. By the time I logged in for the very first time, most of the groups were already in their teens. By the time I hit my low teens, most of the groups were in their upper 20s. There was in fact no catching them at that point.

And sadly, the game was a mess at release. Within two weeks my guild was ready for end game content that simply didn't exist. So they went to the only zone that players could get their final levels in and gank anybody who stepped foot in it. They literally owned the placed and made it hell for anybody who was not in the guild. By the time I finally got to the point where I could join them many of them were already talking about leaving the game and in truth the guild didn't even exist two months after release.

But as many people who played the game know, AOC lost 1/2 of their subscriptions in the first three months. It was a beautiful game that release way to soon and wasn't prepared for a mass of players to be completely finished with game content within the first 30 day.

I am not saying ESO is like AOC, but the player mentality is still the same. You either get through the door first, or you have to expect to be cannon fodder for those that did.

I was in Aoc too ,beta on to early release (nightmare) and the great Nip fest…I was among those that rushed rushed rushed…We started recruiting in beta for grind groups. I don't regret my gamer addiction days but I cannot do it now.

I think I posted in past posts about Aoc. It was a very lovely game .I absolutely loved it, graphics were amazing…and no I am not in anyway comparing the two games, but I can see a similar pattern arise. We ended up leaving when the bugs just got to bad to even get to end game runs returned a month or so later when it is fairly smooth.(had a pom )

I am not doom and gloom by any means and for me this roll out was pretty good but again I did not hit a lot of the big bugs because I simply did not get that far to hit them ( or as many).

I am of the mindset of the casual slow enjoying life gamer. Not to mention my job sends me all over heck and back at any point they get the itch to ship me off.

I am going to enjoy slow and steady and even work on some alts…at age 27 these are my golden gamer years lol I can't play with the big boys or girls any more even if I got the itch to game till my eyes bleed. I play with small group of irl friends (in my medical unit) back from AOC, lotro, aion, wow, gw2, tera and rift. Life is good on the slow and steady road for me.

Enfinityx

I am a super slow leveler. MMOs have always been difficult for me to level because its hard to keep my attention with repetitive quests. Some say ESO just easily hides the fact that the quests are grindy and same old same old by putting interesting stories behind them, but thats perfectly okay with me. I have only played 2-3 days for a few hours and I'm only level ten but I'm thoroughly enjoying my time and plan to level at my own pace. I find it too enjoyable to distract myself with gathering mats and partaking in zone chat and then crafting and then completing zones and then returning to the main quests, ect. I will probably take months to hit end game but you won't hear of me complaining of boredom. (:

Enjoying the game to the fullest.

Madae

Simple; they took advantage of the Cryodiil pvp exp bug, or another bug I found to level (which I reported - there is a thread about it). These people will hedge and try to act like they didn't do it, but it's the only possible explanation unless you simply don't sleep. I play this game a lot, and I'm only V1. Granted, there were two days I missed during headstart, and I did take a day or so off to level an alt to 18, but I still don't think I would be V10 yet by playing legit (which I have).

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I am vr 3 and I been 100 percenting zones, and taking time to enjoy the story. I can see people getting it easy.

Some people are just better

Or have no work/girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband = too much free time

badmojo wrote: »

I'm curious how people get to VR10 so quickly.

A lot of people have been actively using PvP quests for leveling until they've been made daily.

Again with the assumption that someone doesnt have a job....Or arent hardworkers because they have more free time then you do..

Not everyone is interested in getting married....Not sure why that is hard to comprehend.

No need to get angry, it was a joke But every joke has some reasoning behind it. Couple VR10's reported their play times and it seems like they are able to play 12-18 hours a day, depending on whether they've played since early access or from release. Then let's do some maths:

12 hours of play time a day
5 hours of sleep a day
24 - (12+5) = 7 hours maximum for all other commitments

7 hours is not enough to work on a job with a standard 40-hour work week. If you take travel time of even 30 minutes to and from work that leaves you with 6 hour work days. I don't say it's impossible, there are many different jobs with all sorts of work hours. Some people might have taken holidays for the game release.

Still, you can't say that my assumption is entirely unjustified.

loops73

VR10= no life/never gets laid

Madae

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

7 hours is not enough to work on a job with a standard 40-hour work week. If you take travel time of even 30 minutes to and from work that leaves you with 6 hour work days. I don't say it's impossible, there are many different jobs with all sorts of work hours. Some people might have taken holidays for the game release.

I work a maximum of 12 hours a week at work (4 hours, M, Th, F) - on some days, I don't even stay the whole time. The other 28 hours I do from home on-call. I live less than 5 minutes drive away from work (when I actually have to go in). Most nights... I get practically nothing in calls, unless some huge change went through, in which case I could be busy... but usually not. Just sayin'...

... My nerd cred might suffer by mentioning that when I'm not V10 yet, cause I really got jack else to do normally.

LeCreaux

The VR10s I know essentially ignored the "game" and rushed to the end. They're already complaining about PvP and gear and emperors and everything in between.

I'm still in the 30s and listen to every voice-acted quest. I like end game as much as anybody but there's a lot to see along the way in this game.

TheCookisMonstar

LeCreaux wrote: »

The VR10s I know essentially ignored the "game" and rushed to the end. They're already complaining about PvP and gear and emperors and everything in between.

I'm still in the 30s and listen to every voice-acted quest. I like end game as much as anybody but there's a lot to see along the way in this game.

cheat and speed to end....then complain and kick and scream and quit

or

enjoy as intended and let bugs get worked out... play long time happy

Madae

All I know is I'm racing to end game so I can get in on that for some slight edge in PvP for awhile... I already have an alt, and will make more probably in other factions - at that point, I can read the story all I want.

loco

Wow, some of the posters here have mental issues, and would benefit from therapy.

I don't like quests, never have. I played this game, and kept playing the game to explore places, and see new challenging things. I find the story silly, so why is my play style somehow "incorrect."

I'm not resubbing because I found it all very underwhelming, there's nothing mysterious or dark and deep that you wonder if any other player has ever been there. Mostly because the game is linear and on rails. You're ushered from one zone area to the next, with quests to complete to progress from one area to the next. It's silly design for an MMO, even previous themeparks, such as EQ and to a far lesser extent FF11 managed to elicit that exploration feeling in me, I never felt it in ESO. They ado managed to create believable persistent open worlds, I feel ESO has failed here too. Add that in to the fact that this us the most social unfriendly MMO I've ever played and well.....

There's just something missing from the game, and I don't care about quest content, I just don't. The AZ info looks depressing, leaderboards blah blah blah... Give me something mysterious and exciting.

sociald100ub17_ESO

grizzbi wrote: »

A lot of those rusher just play the beta to discover and list the exploits. These exploits are more or less "legit". When the game is released, they use them to reach their goal. And then they just tell everybody how to do so, so that the obvious issues have to be fixed in the next patch. When they are officially discovered and corrected, all the other people have to actually play the game the way it was meant to be played. And those first guys will be sure to keep their "advance" to discover the new bugs, exploit them, etc...

In all the game it's the same old story.

If you got (really) nothing better to do at the moment and join one of those "hardcore guild", you can see how it works behind the scene. And there's nothing awesome. Just a bunch of guys trying weird things to discover bugs and exploits and then use them over and over like headless chickens. It just takes 10 sec on TS to be "accepted" in one of those guild. But I wouldn't do that even for money. Such a desperate place to be ^^

I'm not telling this guy or this one did that. I'm sure you can reach the level cap quite quickly, alone. And honestly I just don't care.

That's pretty much how it goes yep. For instance. Anyone who played beta had to know that the kill 20 players cyrodil quest that was repeatable would be changed. And it was.. but not until people had used it for 2 days or so. Now its a daily.

neocomab16_ESO

thetank84 wrote: »

loco wrote: »

Been VR10 for a while, haven't actively played in a few days. Ignored story, stories are for single player games, MMOs should be about persistent worlds.

Game is boring, not resubbing.

For those who like quests, you'll love VR ranks, it's about as quest grindy as you can get.

Love it. The guy who admits to blowing through the content calls the game boring, and isn't resubbing.

He still has a point though. And I knew someone would jump that train. Anyway, his point. Lemme explain. Plain simple actually. Questing is simply a timesink to decrease the speed til you hit max level. When you hit max level, devs need to deliver endgame content. Problem is, due to extensive amount of time spent on questing content they fail to deliver endgame. Oddly enough this is practically always the case for every new mmo. except wow. new xpac new raid included. always.

so why do people rush? simple ...they see the leveling process as a tutorial to learn the game. when you know the basics why waste time on it? thus, rush. hit vr10 which is basically another leveling process but they didnt want to make another zone for 50-60 so they let you quest through already existing content with a new lvl tag on it, and you see there is basically nothing more to do.

They said it would be really hard to level crafting. they said that craftign would be rewardign though. and now what? people craft full legendary gear due to 1k mats on their banks which were duped ...most likely. cant thing of someone legit with a full set in such a short time. anyway ...no endgame ...thats the point. this is still a mmo and still devs dont get it that the majority of players in a MMO doesnt care for story.

Jonnymorrow

thetank84 wrote: »

loco wrote: »

Been VR10 for a while, haven't actively played in a few days. Ignored story, stories are for single player games, MMOs should be about persistent worlds.

Game is boring, not resubbing.

For those who like quests, you'll love VR ranks, it's about as quest grindy as you can get.

Love it. The guy who admits to blowing through the content calls the game boring, and isn't resubbing.

That may be true but every mmo needs a decent long lasting endgame. If his bored of endgame already that isn't a good thing.

Hopefully craglorn gives us some decent to do at endgame because pvp won't cut it alone.

badmojo

I never understood the concept of end-game content. Isn't the stuff you just blew through, technically the end game content? How is adding more content onto the end going to be any different? Won't people just blow through that as quickly as possible also? It seems silly to make your game cater to people like that, people who don't really care about the game or story, they just want to win the competition of completion.

Basically, the way I see it, if you cater to the people who view level 1 to VR10 as a tutorial, you're turning your game into a tutorial. I don't enjoy playing 50hr tutorials, nor do I enjoy grinding to the end just to get to the good content.

sociald100ub17_ESO

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.... Plain simple actually. Questing is simply a timesink to decrease the speed til you hit max level. When you hit max level, devs need to deliver endgame content. Problem is, due to extensive amount of time spent on questing content they fail to deliver endgame. ...
...so why do people rush? simple ...they see the leveling process as a tutorial to learn the game. when you know the basics why waste time on it? thus, rush. hit vr10 which is basically another leveling process but they didnt want to make another zone for 50-60 so they let you quest through already existing content with a new lvl tag on it, and you see there is basically nothing more to do.
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Two things maybe 'some' people rush for the reason you described. but that's the minority. Most of the people who rush do it to try and get an advantage over everyone else.
As far as end game. what do you want big raids you can do over and over? .. end game is pvp. you get your max lvl you get good gear and you go play against other people.