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I am not a bot I am watching the NBA.
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Just encountered this. Person set up directly behind the boss sneak attacking every spawn for easy kills and taking no other action what so ever in game. When approached and engaged the response was 'I am not a bot I am watching the NBA'
At what point does a person become a 'bot'?
Is a bot defined by the actions taking by an in game character or the actual technical use of a machine to do it? In that case are we not all just chemical machines interaction with another mechanical one?
I say it IS defined by their actions and the old axiom rings true of 'if the shoe fits'. If it looks like a bot, smells like a bot and behaves just like a bot (which is ironic some of these bots are more 'alive' than this guy and running stuff that reacts, ie. they move out of pile to kill stuff and then return to position 0 where this guy never moves an inch) then you my good sirs and ladies are a bot, and have the exact same detrimental effects on the game.
Edited by Daverios on April 21, 2014 12:58AM At what point does a person become a 'bot'?
Is a bot defined by the actions taking by an in game character or the actual technical use of a machine to do it? In that case are we not all just chemical machines interaction with another mechanical one?
I say it IS defined by their actions and the old axiom rings true of 'if the shoe fits'. If it looks like a bot, smells like a bot and behaves just like a bot (which is ironic some of these bots are more 'alive' than this guy and running stuff that reacts, ie. they move out of pile to kill stuff and then return to position 0 where this guy never moves an inch) then you my good sirs and ladies are a bot, and have the exact same detrimental effects on the game.
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Jake71887✭✭✭Bots use programs to complete actions in games... Anything else and he's a farmer, camper, etc etc. Did you ask him the score of the game?4 -
Daverios✭✭✭✭Yea he was just another player and while we had different opinions he did engage me and we discussed pros n cons and all that. It was a positive interaction in the end for an online one.
I didnt report him or anything as plainly was not hindering my pprogress as there was only 1 of him if there were a dozen all doing same it would be a different story.0 -
Botting has everything to do with automation of actions, not the actions themselves... If I stand somewhere waiting for a resource node to respawn, reading a book, watching the NBA or Game of Thrones and tap the node every time it spawns I am not botting... I am an active player willing to waist my ingame time waiting for a respawn... If on the other hand I run a program to perform a set course of actions to do it while I'm sleeping or in the pub... then I become a bot...
There is a difference. In your view people running around farming the zombies in Coldharbour are bots... which they are not, they are playing and killing the same stuff over and over.Edited by stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO on April 21, 2014 1:11AMThe statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...1 -
He probably wasn't a fully automated bot, but there are botting programs that blur the line, such as mirroring software to control multiple characters at once. That being said you can always run a botting program and sit there doing something else, thus being able to respond when people chat with you. This was the most common form of botting in EVE Online.
That all being said. I think this games planned solution (Having boss drops on a timer so killing it repeatedly in a short period of time gets you nothing) is probably the best option, although it will not stop the fully automated 24/7 bots.0 -
Daverios✭✭✭✭BenjaminKacher_ESO wrote: »He probably wasn't a fully automated bot, but there are botting programs that blur the line, such as mirroring software to control multiple characters at once. That being said you can always run a botting program and sit there doing something else, thus being able to respond when people chat with you. This was the most common form of botting in EVE Online.
That all being said. I think this games planned solution (Having boss drops on a timer so killing it repeatedly in a short period of time gets you nothing) is probably the best option, although it will not stop the fully automated 24/7 bots.
Yes this is essentially what I mean.
To give it an analogy. would Homer Simpson setting up his little drinking bird to press the Y kill and kill bosses repeatedly be a bot? I mean technically it is not a program but all it is doing in pressing one key every few seconds just like this person.
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Jake71887✭✭✭Yes this is essentially what I mean.
To give it an analogy. would Homer Simpson setting up his little drinking bird to press the Y kill and kill bosses repeatedly be a bot? I mean technically it is not a program but all it is doing in pressing one key every few seconds just like this person.
Yes? He's setting up a way for him to complete actions, without actually doing it himself. Just instead of using software, he's using hardware.
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭Using my keyboard software, logitech mouse software, or 6 line;2 action auto-it script I could "bot" farm a dungeon boss using nothing other then a macro software used by nearly all PC gamers nowadays.
Hold mouse2; repeatedly press mouse 1 (bash), press E every 60 seconds (loot).
Assisted "botting". Can watch television and turn head toward the game only to ever review chat or check inventory.
Fix the cause, not the mechanic. Nerf public dungeon boss loot/reward or greatly enhance their difficulty (like to the level of a story/guild quest solo-boss).Edited by pecheckler on April 21, 2014 2:22AMEnd the tedious inventory management game.0 -
ddurango✭To give it an analogy. would Homer Simpson setting up his little drinking bird to press the Y kill and kill bosses repeatedly be a bot? I mean technically it is not a program but all it is doing in pressing one key every few seconds just like this person.
Yes. Homer Simpson is not actually playing his character and is therefore using automated means to play = bot.
Some games get a little too complicated on the whole bot/not bot thing. But its pretty simple, looks like a bot, acts like a bot, banned like a bot. Ban first, let them appeal later. You set the expectation and things work much better. Same for exploits, if it looks like an exploit, if it acts like an exploit, ban for the exploit.
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felixgamingx1✭✭✭✭Camping is not botting there's no profit for the a average person to camp same boss all they long.0 -
Angua✭✭✭My favorite thing ever is watching the XP farmers in DC on the Heart of the Beast quest. When a DK pulls the 'boss' away from his little nook, the bots keep swinging aimlessly at the empty air. Or, when they start swinging when he's 'supposed' to spawn but he's a few seconds 'late'.
I called someone out on it yesterday when a crowd was camped around and most were stationary just letting their familiars get hits in. Someone answered, "Not a bot. Just lazy."
How lazy are you to not switch directions to keep attacking the full-health boss instead of swinging at thing air that won't respawn 'til he's dead anyway?0 -
Soon the bots will be so advanced and intelligent they will start talking, play PvP and seemingly mimic normal levelling
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