Gold Spammers

whykillme

Hello Everyone,

May i ask where are all the goldspammers coming from?

50E to buy the game, and 10+E subscription per month.

The gold is worth almost nothing if i read those chats. My question is, *IF* (what i doubt) ESO bans those players, how can they ever make the money back they lost by buying the game?

So far it looks like not many Bans are happening against those people, because it would never reward for them to keep spamming if they were..., having to buy the game over and over.

Opinions?

Greetings,


WKM

murklor007neb18_ESO

Stolen credit cards etc. At the very least they get a month if its only used once.

I wonder more where their income is, or rather how in the world people know how buy it. Have you read the low level zone chat lately?

Player: "Greetings my friends, may I ask how to purchase gold in this lovely little game, that precious gold!"
Goldseller: "***** L ****234 ___ AF ____ 443 ******"
Player: "I... See..."

Rhoric

They hit every game out there so they have a constant influx of money. Someone is also dumb enough to fall for it so they keep getting money.

Ivo

I personally think biggest problem are the people who are buying gold, making this spamming even possible. If people dont buy gold there is no spammers. I hope Zenimax will come hard with their ban hammer on those who buy gold.!

Other than that i think most accounts that are selling are some kind of hack or exploit and are not real accounts. But thats just what i think.

oldkye

Eventually the account does get banned but often it takes awhile to do so.

Then they tend to steal the accounts of people that use their sites basically if people didn't go to the sites they wouldn't be in game so if they are in game someone is going.

I've always pointed out(and wrote a paper on for a econ class lol) that games like Eve Online that have a in game item you can buy that if used gives game time and can be traded to other players then gold selling stops and the company(Zenimax) makes all the money.

What happens is people without a lot of time to play but money to burn(the ones often that go to the spammers sites) get's the item and sells it to a more hardcore player for gold and the hardcore player plays for free.

However he's not really playing for free the other guy just bought his game time for him basically in exchange for not having to grind it himself this is how the economy works all the time, You don't want to level say Blacksmithing to make epic gear so you buy it, Time for Gold.

In other words A. It does not hurt the game economy, B. The Company(Zenimax) makes the same amount of money C. it's no different from any other exchange that happens, D. No gold spam because there is no market for it you can get gold in a legit way.

I see more games doing this these days but if you don't you'll have spammers end of story.

Killum

EQ2 has this in place. The in game item is called a Krono. Players can buy them from SOE. The cost in real money is slightly more than the cost of the monthly subscription but they are fully tradable in world and can be sold/bought for gold (or in this case Plat). It works like this:-

Player A purchases the Krono from SoE and pays cash.
Player A puts the Krono on the In game marketplace and sells it for Plat/Gold.
Player B Buys the Krono for Plat/Gold.
Player B pays for his next months subscription using the Krono.

In effect Player A is Paying SoE for Player B's subscription.

Not sure why people ever want to buy in game money anyway. I have never needed any more gold than I can generate in game. I guess it has something to do with the 'Gimme'/'Must have' society that we live in now. It's preety much the same mentality as people buying a Mount or vanity/fluff pet for cash. I see people riding around on the store bought horse and I think that idiot paid £10 for that.

Tweek

Ivo wrote: »

I personally think biggest problem are the people who are buying gold, making this spamming even possible. If people dont buy gold there is no spammers. I hope Zenimax will come hard with their ban hammer on those who buy gold.!

Other than that i think most accounts that are selling are some kind of hack or exploit and are not real accounts. But thats just what i think.

All mmos either suspend(24 hours or so) or warn accounts that buy gold and ban sellers because sellers are trying to make a profit off the game, and disrupt the game and buyers are just looking for a boost in the game. As such I doubt highly in any sort of banhammer being dropped other than suspensions and warning which should be going out soon.

Personally I find the botters and spammers to be the most annoying and I think Zenimax is probably working a bot detection system that will ban botters, or if not they are working on some way to solve this problem I'm sure.

Tweek

oldkye wrote: »

Eventually the account does get banned but often it takes awhile to do so.

Then they tend to steal the accounts of people that use their sites basically if people didn't go to the sites they wouldn't be in game so if they are in game someone is going.

I've always pointed out(and wrote a paper on for a econ class lol) that games like Eve Online that have a in game item you can buy that if used gives game time and can be traded to other players then gold selling stops and the company(Zenimax) makes all the money.

What happens is people without a lot of time to play but money to burn(the ones often that go to the spammers sites) get's the item and sells it to a more hardcore player for gold and the hardcore player plays for free.

However he's not really playing for free the other guy just bought his game time for him basically in exchange for not having to grind it himself this is how the economy works all the time, You don't want to level say Blacksmithing to make epic gear so you buy it, Time for Gold.

In other words A. It does not hurt the game economy, B. The Company(Zenimax) makes the same amount of money C. it's no different from any other exchange that happens, D. No gold spam because there is no market for it you can get gold in a legit way.

I see more games doing this these days but if you don't you'll have spammers end of story.

I would like to add to this/let people know that most RMTs don't take place through these big spammer websites. Believe it or not it's usually players with alot of time that grind out the gold/item for the players with less time to burn and more money. The players with money irl then buy the gold or item from the players that had more time. These kinds of trades usually go under the radar, however if caught the seller as said above is always banned. Again this is because the seller was trying to make a profit off of the game where as the buyers was looking for a boost(so to speak).

Regardless this is still in violation of the TOS and the buyers almost always get slapped with some sort of penalty(suspensions/warnings and gold removal is common).

Tweek

Killum wrote: »

EQ2 has this in place. The in game item is called a Krono. Players can buy them from SOE. The cost in real money is slightly more than the cost of the monthly subscription but they are fully tradable in world and can be sold/bought for gold (or in this case Plat). It works like this:-

Player A purchases the Krono from SoE and pays cash.
Player A puts the Krono on the In game marketplace and sells it for Plat/Gold.
Player B Buys the Krono for Plat/Gold.
Player B pays for his next months subscription using the Krono.

In effect Player A is Paying SoE for Player B's subscription.

Not sure why people ever want to buy in game money anyway. I have never needed any more gold than I can generate in game. I guess it has something to do with the 'Gimme'/'Must have' society that we live in now. It's preety much the same mentality as people buying a Mount or vanity/fluff pet for cash. I see people riding around on the store bought horse and I think that idiot paid £10 for that.

tbh it's usually not the "gimmie" mentality people have.

It's just people with more money and less time, or just simply people with plenty of money to burn who enjoy videogames. I don't understand why this makes so many people agitated though. It's supporting the game when people buy cash shop stuff. I don't think it makes someone an idiot.