Concern about Veteran lvls

thahn204

(this is all my opinion don't rage and say gtfo scrub quest qqqqq elder scrolls)

This is an mmo and I personally don't feel like hitting the cap and being forced to play through other factions zones in order to be able to work on gear. You basically have to go to 1-50 again (1-10 VR). I'm afraid it's going to hurt the game. at least to people who expect more of an mmo feel and not a single player co-op feel. Gear grind > lvl grind in mmo's to most people. I'd just like to see VR take half the time or even a quarter of the time it took to go 1-50 (off quests).

CrispZ

think of it as level 60 is the cap and it will be fine

Islyn

*Decided; Never mind, I don't care.*

Covyn

Personally I don't like leveling quickly....and I have been popping through levels far to rapidly for my taste. I look forward to the VR levels, and being able to tour the other factions areas. The slowness of it will give me the sense of accomplishment that I desire in a game. But, to each their own.

Best Wishes!

sushi

correction VR levels are like going from 1-50 2 more times as it will most likely require you do every quest in every single zone for you to reach VR 10

VR1 veteran point requirements is 450k that is 3X the xp required to go from 49 to 50

Hak

If you aren't already a VR, you shouldn't comment.

Reason : it takes ungodly amounts of exp to level as a VR. VR1 to VR2 is around 400,000 experience, VR2 to VR3 is 900,000, and VR3 (where I'm at) to VR4 is 1,368,000 experience... which you have 1 zone to do that in.

I was short 200,000 experience to VR3, and did every quest I could in the VR2 zone (minus invisible NPC/quest bugs). I had to get that last 200k from the VR3 zone. Now I need about 600,000 more exp to hit VR4, and I'm 80-90% done with the VR3 zone.

If there were two VR3 zones, this wouldn't be an issue, except having to do quest after quest after quest, but there is only one zone, and quests/bosses/dolmens are your only real option. Monsters give 50 exp or less each.

Oh, and OP... it appears you have to do it three times. 1-50 reg, 1-5 second faction, and 5-10 third faction.

Sykotik_ESO

Why give powerful levels so easy?

Making things easy mode is what has been killing MMOs, most people leaving wow is due to it being made too easy, a lot of people left gw2 due to literally no progression in any aspect.

The enticing aspect of sumtin you truly achieve and have to work hard is what drives people to excell. Is a job or a car handed to you with no effort? No that's what makes it so rewarding and why people try hard to get them.

The same thing with VR mode, if anything it is helping people. Sure you lose maybe a few casuals who expected top level and gear to be handed to them but most love it. Its nice finally to have a game where it actually means something to be top level finally and I'm sure most would agree.

thahn204

@sykotik_ESO I don't give a crap about how "hard" it is and this is not hard. Grinding ungodly amount of hrs/quests to just reach bs levels is not hard nor fun in my book. Hard is the days of BC in WoW when dungeons required you to have your crap in check. That's what I was expecting from this game, HARD dungeons not korean mmo no life *** grindfest. It really upsets me, this game is amazing in every aspect except the garbage veteran lvl's. Until this is removed or reduced I don't see many people sticking around. Also gtfo with your "casual" crap has nothing to do with that. I work 40-50 hrs a week I'm not going to spend my nights doing quest after quest after quest or grinding mobs. I want to work on gear not how many quests I can do. I'm all for busting your ass to complete a boss/dungeon that's FINE. Just don't force me to go see other faction zones and mask it with OH YEA MORE LEVELS LOL. I'll just roll that faction if I want to see it or simply make them optional to go see at 50 for achievements or gold.

supernickx

Veteran 7 now - I must say, it's quite a slog. I think they went a bit TOO far with the XP curve.

As someone who is leveling at a decent pace, I expect to hit VR10 at around 11-12 days /played. That means I'm focusing on my 3 crafts and not cheesing my way to max with some mindless boring grind tactic.

Now on the surface that sounds great, almost 300 hours of playtime to reach max level. The reality is though I'm just slogging quest after quest with nothing really to break it up. You can't level in PvP and dungeons are limited.

I guess they just need to introduce alternate ways to level instead of forcing people down a "you will do our content!" route.

TurkeyBurgers

supernickx wrote: »

Veteran 7 now - I must say, it's quite a slog. I think they went a bit TOO far with the XP curve.

As someone who is leveling at a decent pace, I expect to hit VR10 at around 11-12 days /played. That means I'm focusing on my 3 crafts and not cheesing my way to max with some mindless boring grind tactic.

Now on the surface that sounds great, almost 300 hours of playtime to reach max level. The reality is though I'm just slogging quest after quest with nothing really to break it up. You can't level in PvP and dungeons are limited.

I guess they just need to introduce alternate ways to level instead of forcing people down a "you will do our content!" route.

I have a job I have to work and a life.

I don't have Monster energy drinks brought down into the basement by my Mom all day bro.

Silverion

I think that idea to go and see all stories and content of other factions without need to make character in them is GREAT, i like to slowly read quest, learn what is a story behind factions and get levels up doing that, probably for people who dont even read quest they are doing it is boring, but for me it was interesting way to learn without need to create new character i did only 3/4 or Stone-falls and im already 1/3 in VL2, so people you missed too much of content trying to rush to last levels.

dnotecmb16_ESO

VR levels are pretty boring. I enjoyed 1-50, doing all the quests and points of interest. But the stories in EP are dull in comparison and it is just making it feel like a chore.

At this point, I'd welcome a way to grind mobs or PvP as an alternative, because the quest content is simply put, rubbish, compared to the AD quests.

I chose AD for a reason, that I am now having to spend twice as long doing content that has never interested me, is imo, a failing on ZOS' part. My estimate is 12-15 days played time to get VR10.

Viverim

Good Lord. The game has been out for less than a month and you're thinking you should already be top level?!? And what do you expect to do after that? If you want gear, you don't need to get it from dungeons or world drops. Learn the skill that gives the gear that you want.

It boggles my mind when I hear people complaining that they hit 50 within a week and don't have more. Geez. Take time to enjoy the content for crying out loud! If you don't enjoy what's in the game then why are you playing exactly? Personally I have never progressed in any game as fast as I have in this one (currently level 37 on my main), and the levels seem to be flying past. In fact, I keep out-leveling the areas I am in at any given time. I'm working on my smithing at the same time as I level, and I find I have to go into the next zone just to get level appropriate materials so I can craft new gear every other level.

You may be right that other areas (Daggerfall or Ebonheart) might not have stories as good as the Dominion, but have you tried doing the quests in Cyrodil? There are a LOT of quests in there, and once you level up to VR10 it's all you'll have left anyway (at least until Craglorn comes out).

Oh, and sorry for the long post, y'all.

ZiRM

Just hit Veteran Level and I can't wait to hit the other areas. I'm not looking forward to the steep XP curve though. This is an MMORPG and it's not supposed to be easy.

thahn204

@Viverim Listen you aren't VR1 yet so please don't give input. I wouldn't even care if I had to do 1-10 VR but the god damn xp curve is off the charts. I just want them to decrease it or get rid of it. Like @dnotecmb16_ESO said I have NO interest in seeing the other factions content. I feel gated and forced into *** I don't want to do. The freedom to "do what you want play how you want" they claimed was here goes out the window at VR. It's a god damn chore for most of us just simply reduce the xp curve 1-10 VR or get rid of it and all will be fine. They are also increasing VR cap in the future so yeaaaa...Also @NiRN how the hell do you deem a quest grind hard? It's just boring hard is when dungeons and world bosses are a challenge.

Viverim

#1 - Not being VR-1 doesn't bar me from having nor voicing an opinion. Don't try to be an elitist. It's unbecoming.


#2 - The people complaining about the level curve are the same people who, upon reaching VR10 within three days would be screaming "We need something more to do! There's no Progress!"

Bloodlance

I think its a good thing to have high VR cap in exp.

Like look at Diablo 3 it has like trillions of levels in Paragon, for a reason.

We still can do the content that needs to be done, crafting etc upping our gear and professions.

ESO is an old school MMO, if you intend to reach high vr10 asap, then be prepared to play a lot.

THE IDEA, of ESO is, you play it steadily, and reach VR10 when you reach VR10.

and yes i know D3 is a bad example, but its the same mentality.

Moods

VR levels are killing this game for me, I dont mind leveling, but theres almost zero progression with them, the gear doesnt really improve, the questing is slow and boring solo, I would group up if i had guildies to do it with.

I am currently about to hit VR5, but I doubt ill get to VR10, I leveled for months and months in games like EQ, but this is just mind numbing.

Hearts

The Real Level Cap is level 140, not level 50. THats the way to look at it.

thahn204

@viverim Well don't give input into something you haven't even achieved yet it wasn't meant to be elitist at all. Also I wouldn't be bitching if I was capped I'd work on my gear and pvp for fun waiting for the adventure zone. Also I agree with martinfriskb16_ESO it's pure torture. I've stopped playing just isn't even fun anymore. For those fanboys "ERRR GTFO IF YOU NOT PLAY SCRUB CASUAL" I care about this game deeply that is why I'm wasting my time bitching.

DJ_Pandatripp

I love veteran, it's much harder than 1-50 was and I enjoy that. I'm sitting at V4 right now, and it hasn't taken me that long to get there. It's actually pretty damn easy to level if you do all the quests, dungeons and dolmens so there is no reason to complain that it's hard to achieve the next vet rank. I have a guy that blew threw v8-10 just yesterday, which shows me even the higher vet ranks are easy to level threw.

Rodoscrolls

I been playing this game a couple hours a night since 5 day early access-I'm level 24, folks who are into the VR levels....I don't know...I think you may need to get a life or something.Yes, I get the whole play how you want.... blah blah, but having played tons of past mmos this one is not really a "power gamer " mmo,its more an exploration type game, heavy story, more a "slow cooker". Most people pushing max VR,yeah you missed the point of this awesome game(also have entirely too much free time on your hands....).Most will be bailing to the "next mmo" so they can make the same style of complaints there......enjoy that though.

Stautmeister

Rodoscrolls wrote: »

I been playing this game a couple hours a night since 5 day early access-I'm level 24, folks who are into the VR levels....I don't know...I think you may need to get a life or something.Yes, I get the whole play how you want.... blah blah, but having played tons of past mmos this one is not really a "power gamer " mmo,its more an exploration type game, heavy story, more a "slow cooker". Most people pushing max VR,yeah you missed the point of this awesome game(also have entirely too much free time on your hands....).Most will be bailing to the "next mmo" so they can make the same style of complaints there......enjoy that though.

If you can provide for yourself you never have to much free time on your hands.
I honestly dont know what i dislike more, people whining about content or those that do the get a life shoutout...

Sallakat

I have to say I agree to an extent about what has been said in here. I was having the time of my life leveling from 1-50 in the Dominion side, the places looked nice and everything was just peachy. Plus on top of that the joy of hitting 50 for the first time was nice :P
Before I hit 50 I didn't even know what happens after Coldharbor but I soon found out when I was ported to Stonefalls. The Ebonheart area is dull looking and in most ways not clearly as nice as AD as a whole, so like it has been said, having to spend double the time in the area you were not really pining for in the first place is definitely not making it more fun at least.

Also I do like things to be a challenge in many ways but seems like you don't really have any place in the master dungeons before you're VR3 at least, otherwise you probly don't get passed first sets of mobs. Those instanced dungeons for me would be a great way to break the tedious questing.

The most fun I've had so far at VR levels has been, hands down, when I was running all of Stonefalls to Riften public dungeons, all of Skull & Sword areas etc with guildies for a few nights. Got about 2,5 VR levels from that. But also that kinda screwed up the whole thing for the rest of questing cos now there is only the normal quests to be done in all of the zones, meh :P

Doctoruniverse

I got a secret for you vet 4-10 mobs are *** easy to defeat. shhh but dont tell the others.

Minack

Viverim wrote: »

#1 - Not being VR-1 doesn't bar me from having nor voicing an opinion. Don't try to be an elitist. It's unbecoming.


#2 - The people complaining about the level curve are the same people who, upon reaching VR10 within three days would be screaming "We need something more to do! There's no Progress!"

You'll excuse me if I don't put much value on some lvl 30-49 scrub telling me how much he enjoys the veteran level content he hasn't even played. Until you've actually done veteran level content you should probably keep your garbage tier opinions to yourself.

You don't know a damn thing what VR 10s would be saying. Most of the VR10s I know are dreading the prospect of having to level even more after the Craglorn videos show even more ranks.

Viverim

#1 - I don't recall stating, ever, how much I enjoy Veteran content. If you want to quote, at least READ the qoute before opening your mouth (or typing on your keyboard, as the case may be).

#2 - Rudness doesn't improve or strengthen your case or your cause.

Please reply again once you have learned proper etiquette and/or acquires some manners.

Hagbard_OM

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Minack

Viverim wrote: »

#1 - I don't recall stating, ever, how much I enjoy Veteran content. If you want to quote, at least READ the qoute before opening your mouth (or typing on your keyboard, as the case may be).

#2 - Rudness doesn't improve or strengthen your case or your cause.

Please reply again once you have learned proper etiquette and/or acquires some manners.

Wipe the tears from your eyes and stop being pedantic. You decided to waltz in here and pass judgement on people who aren't happy with veteran content. You, like most drones and white knights, like to blame players instead of developers for shoddy content. Your long-winded post is proof of that.


#2 I'm sorry. I really care about randomscrub#65396's feelings.

Just kidding. I don't.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

Im not sure what was in developers' mind when they created this veteran ranks. If the end game is cyrodiil and a VR10 can trainwreck groups of low lvl veterans then probably they make the power gap too big, meaning that players FEEL that they MUST get to VR10 to be competitive, which is where the problem starts.

If the PvE side is heavily reliant on storytelling, the competitive people would rather have grindy quests in order to achieve what they want : top level, hence some has asked to bring back the repeatable player kills quest because that was the best way to level.

From the casuals/RPers/non-PvPers point of view, this is not a problem and never will be one. They just stride along the PvE content at their own leisurely pace, some probably will complain that levelling is too fast.

For the devs, having invested so much time and money into this game, would want as many players as possible to enjoy ALL the content in the game, i suspect trying to avoid the 'I played Alliance so I never knew what Horde lore was all about' problem. Besides, it gives them more breathing space before people demand more content.

There is no elegant solution to this I'm afraid. Cant really be on both sides at the same time

Zazar

Oh, is this a casual gamer complain thread?