Repair cost too high: $craft new vs. $repair

blackweb

Level 18 repair cost for about 8 hours of leveling = 690g

This is 1/7 of my gold for one repair bill. A 700g repair bill at level 18 is outrageous. Note that the repair cost on one nearly broken item is 152g. The entire repair bill should be no more than 150g.

It is less expensive to buy mats and craft new gear than to pay repair costs on gear, at least while leveling up. That means repair costs are at least 2 or 3 times higher than they should be. My main is currently level 18 and my typical repair charge is 600-800 gold which means I have to do 4 or 5 quests at that level to pay one repair bill. If I were paying the repair cost, I would run out of gold within 2 or 3 days and be flat broke.

I have stopped repairing my gear. I now wear gear until it is broken, deconstruct it or use it for traits and make new gear to replace it.

Captainkrunch96

At higher levels the repair cost is a bit high but I honestly make double the repair cost just by killing mobs and selling whites to npc vendors. Not including quest money either.

blackweb

Captainkrunch96 wrote: »

At higher levels the repair cost is a bit high but I honestly make double the repair cost just by killing mobs and selling whites to npc vendors. Not including quest money either.

I do not want to spend most of my game time farming vendor trash so that I can pay repair costs. My main is currently level 17 and my typical repair cost is 600-800 gold which is just crazy.

TheFio

Highest I have had to pay so far at level 36 is 1.1k

South_of_Heaven

Don't worry, it just seems too much at the start. After that you will never have to farm just to cover the repair costs. It is just something that subtracts from your profits and it's pretty lenient imo (level 50 here).

blackweb

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Don't worry, it just seems too much at the start. After that you will never have to farm just to cover the repair costs. It is just something that subtracts from your profits and it's pretty lenient imo (level 50 here).

Getting to 50 takes a while if you don't skip content. I am into the leveling experience. Excessive repair costs diminish that experience.

Sakiri

How do you guys get repair bills this high? Do you never repair anything before it breaks?

Striken7

Two possible causes of your repair costs being high:

They are set too high

or

You're dying too much.

At level 17 you should be replacing gear long before it reaches the point of really needing to be repaired, even with a couple deaths. If you are wearing them until they are broken, as you say, maybe you should try a more cautious play style.

Tieberion

On this I can agree. Lot's of MMO's played thru the years, and in this game the Repair/Cost to New Gear and decon it is horrible. If at all possible, Repairs should be cut to 1/2 of what they are now. Just my 2 cents, I'm a repair aholic, and it keeps me from ever really stacking cash lol.

South_of_Heaven

blackweb wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Don't worry, it just seems too much at the start. After that you will never have to farm just to cover the repair costs. It is just something that subtracts from your profits and it's pretty lenient imo (level 50 here).

Getting to 50 takes a while if you don't skip content. I am into the leveling experience. Excessive repair costs diminish that experience.

Suprise! "I am into the leveling experience too!" I skipped nothing, not even dialogs/voice acting. The repair costs are not excessive by a long shot, in fact they are a good money sink that enriches my experience.

And as I already said the money you will be gaining at higher levels will be far more than the money you spend on repair costs.

It's just that people whine because they expect to have all the money they want in early levels and buy all the materials they want and a horse and if they don't "their experience is diminished". Sorry, you can't have everything. The profits from questing, even if you die a lot, are already too many.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

It's pretty simple. Break everything down for mats and buffs. Build your own stuff. Even right at the beginning you can build weapons and armor as good as anything you can find. It's also real cheap if you find your own mats.

When you level, well every second level as crafting makes only even numbered stuff, you can break down the old and build new for your level.

darthbelanb14_ESO

I never have any issue covering repair costs, between PvP, questing, and vendoring whites and greens sometimes, I have more than enough to cover the cost, and have left over to buy what I want.

blackweb

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

I never have any issue covering repair costs, between PvP, questing, and vendoring whites and greens sometimes, I have more than enough to cover the cost, and have left over to buy what I want.

Here is my current 690g repair cost for 1-2 days of leveling without repairs. This is 1/7 of my gold for one repair bill. A 700g repair bill at level 18 is a huge problem even for 100% damaged or broken gear.

Level 18 Templar Repair Cost = 690g

I am a crafter so I don't vendor most of the gear I get, I deconstruct it or extract traits from it. Lets say you have 3k gold at level 15 or 16. Then you have a 600g repair bill (a typical repair bill for level 15 or 16 for several hours of questing along with a death or two). That means you just 1/5 of your gold in one repair bill. Lets assume that you are incurring about 500g per day in repair bills. That means all of your gold will be gone in 5 or 6 days.

I have been playing fantasy MMOs for a long time. I have founded and built many guilds. I have seen these same phony claims of "I am not having any problems, YOU must be the problem" in so many words in other fantasy MMOs. It is as if we are not playing the same game. I can only conclude that either some of you are not crafting and vendoring every item you pick up or you are making things up.

blackweb

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Don't worry, it just seems too much at the start. After that you will never have to farm just to cover the repair costs. It is just something that subtracts from your profits and it's pretty lenient imo (level 50 here).

Getting to 50 takes a while if you don't skip content. I am into the leveling experience. Excessive repair costs diminish that experience.

Suprise! "I am into the leveling experience too!" I skipped nothing, not even dialogs/voice acting. The repair costs are not excessive by a long shot, in fact they are a good money sink that enriches my experience.

And as I already said the money you will be gaining at higher levels will be far more than the money you spend on repair costs.

It's just that people whine because they expect to have all the money they want in early levels and buy all the materials they want and a horse and if they don't "their experience is diminished". Sorry, you can't have everything. The profits from questing, even if you die a lot, are already too many.

The money you spend on repair will be far more than the money you gain at level 1-20.

blackweb

Tieberion wrote: »

On this I can agree. Lot's of MMO's played thru the years, and in this game the Repair/Cost to New Gear and decon it is horrible. If at all possible, Repairs should be cut to 1/2 of what they are now. Just my 2 cents, I'm a repair aholic, and it keeps me from ever really stacking cash lol.

Truth. Well said.

South_of_Heaven

blackweb wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

Don't worry, it just seems too much at the start. After that you will never have to farm just to cover the repair costs. It is just something that subtracts from your profits and it's pretty lenient imo (level 50 here).

Getting to 50 takes a while if you don't skip content. I am into the leveling experience. Excessive repair costs diminish that experience.

Suprise! "I am into the leveling experience too!" I skipped nothing, not even dialogs/voice acting. The repair costs are not excessive by a long shot, in fact they are a good money sink that enriches my experience.

And as I already said the money you will be gaining at higher levels will be far more than the money you spend on repair costs.

It's just that people whine because they expect to have all the money they want in early levels and buy all the materials they want and a horse and if they don't "their experience is diminished". Sorry, you can't have everything. The profits from questing, even if you die a lot, are already too many.

The money you spend on repair will be far more than the money you gain at level 1-20.

People like you "ah I just hit level 18 and I have an opinion about everything" are ridiculous. Keep whining all you want now, but you will realize it yourself when you level up.

Keisxe

Are you are tank or something? Maybe your playstyle gets you hit a lot. I have a level 15 NB and my repair costs never top 300g unless I I die like 4+ times. I agree with the folks that say you shouldn't even be getting near broken armor at such low levels as you can switch out gear so often.

Crafted gear IS superior to most drops unless there is a set bonus or something. My crafted gear is usually higher values than loot drops and equal to vendor bought stuff (pre-enchantment). Which means I use a good percentage of crafted gear just for the sake of leveling crafter AND having up to level gear.

I have a level 36 Sorc that has repair costs that are closer to your repair bills. Something seems out of whack or you need to get hit less

Gwarok

Level 24 DK wearing 4 mediums 3 heavies all greens and one blue chest piece*. I found a place to take falls testing jumping from different heights. Apparently we don't take damage to gear after we come to a sudden stop and lose health. I kept falling from higher places and jogging back to the vendor after each fall; finally took a fall that killed me. Cost to repair 11g. Estimated double the height fell died went to repair 26g. Let a mob at my level kill me repair 14g. Hunted down a mob 10 levels higher and let them kill me Cost to repair 31g. IMO it's within reason. Where you people are coming up with

A 700g repair bill at level 18

repair bills I just



14g X 5 death = 70g

Even if there is a little bit more added after each additional death w/out repairing you shouldn't be paying more than 150-ish gold after 5 deaths.


*(edit) waist piece

blackweb

Gwarok wrote: »

Level 24 DK wearing 4 mediums 3 heavies all greens and one blue chest piece (only one repaired and found a place to take falls testing jumping from different heights. Apparently we don't take damage to gear after we come to a sudden stop and lose health. I kept falling from higher places and jogging back to the vendor after each fall finally took a fall that killed me. Cost to repair 11g. Estimated double the height fell died went to repair 26g. Let a mob at my level kill me repair 14g. Hunted down a mob 10 levels higher and let them kill me then me repair 31g. IMO it's within reason. Where you people are coming up with 300g+ repair bills I

Can you comprehend the screenshot? We do not seem to be playing the same game. I have posted a screenshot of my 690g in repair costs at level 18. Screenies do not lie.

buffbcub17_ESO

One thing I am noticing with quests as I got into my 20's was that the rewards were going up quite a bit - now into the 200-300g range for each quest completion.

Add to that the misc stuff I am selling after keeping crafting mats for deconstructing etc, and I am making more than I am paying for repairs.

blackweb

buffbcub17_ESO wrote: »

One thing I am noticing with quests as I got into my 20's was that the rewards were going up quite a bit - now into the 200-300g range for each quest completion.

Add to that the misc stuff I am selling after keeping crafting mats for deconstructing etc, and I am making more than I am paying for repairs.

Ok so at 2-300g per quest, I have to do 2-4 quests to pay for one repair charge.

Orchish

I am a tank, and i can agree that repair is very costly. At early game i honestly thought that armour only became damaged when you had been killed. Yet as i am now level 43 i noticed that my armour gets damaged after just a few engagements with A.I enemies. It seems to take many deaths in PvP for it to get even slightly damaged compared to a few hits in PvE where it starts taking damage.

Gwarok

blackweb wrote: »

Can you comprehend the screenshot? We do not seem to be playing the same game. I have posted a screenshot of my 690g in repair costs at level 18. Screenies do not lie.

No need to be rude about it.

Gwarok wrote: »

Level 24 DK wearing 4 mediums 3 heavies all greens and one blue chest piece*....Hunted down a mob 10 levels higher and let them kill me Cost to repair 31g...


*(edit) waist piece...

http://s67.photobucket.com/user/Stahker/library/

BTW, why are you wearing vendor trash?

I'm willing to bet 1000g that's where your problem is.

#durability

Leovolao

god... dude just change your damn armor and stop crying or better yet, you are a crafter right? make some new armor and stop bitching... a game like this needs a gold sink and it needs to punish us for dying

blackweb

Gwarok wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

Can you comprehend the screenshot? We do not seem to be playing the same game. I have posted a screenshot of my 690g in repair costs at level 18. Screenies do not lie.

No need to be rude about it.

Hunted down a mob 10 levels higher and let them kill me Cost to repair 31g

http://s67.photobucket.com/user/Stahker/library/

BTW, why are you wearing vendor trash?

I'm willing to bet 1000g that's where your problem is.

I am not wearing vendor trash. All of my gear was crafted by myself.

Gwarok

blackweb wrote: »

I am not wearing vendor trash. All of my gear was crafted by myself.

Level 18 Templar Repair Cost = 690g
Whites equals VENDOR TRASH, LOL

blackweb

Gwarok wrote: »

blackweb wrote: »

I am not wearing vendor trash. All of my gear was crafted by myself.

Level 18 Templar Repair Cost = 690g
Whites equals VENDOR TRASH, LOL

I deconstruct most of the greens and blues I get or use them to extract traits. The crafted gear is actually a lot better than vendor trash. I don't vendor it when I am through with it, I deconstruct it.

Kendaric

Not sure how your repair bill got that high to be honest. At level 37 after dying multiple times, 5 times in total, in a quest due to a bugged boss, I had a bill of maybe 700 gold at most.
So something seems off here, the costs are fine as is.

Sakiri

I deconstruct everything. Im a tank. I repair every single friggin time Im in town.

Are you guys destroying vendor food items to make room for more deconstructable stuff or something? That stack of daedra husks is helping your repair bill more than that white item youll get a few ingots from..

Calgrissom

If your repair cost are that high at such a low level you a dying far to much. At level 50 with full artifact gear my worst repair was around 1800g. Generally They are less than 900g. And I did do every quest from 1-50 other than a few that a currently bugged.

IronMaiden_burnout

% to avoid decay on those items heavily hit on makes a very nice difference