Gah.. whats with all the damn charges!

thilog

This game, the actual game, is superb.. it really is.

But the design, the layout.. is utter garbage.

5 skill slots
linear leveling
Insane repair charges
tax on trade guild sales
cost of horses
cost of skill point resets
small maps
enforced crafting to supply your own gear, which is in turn based on poor resource fields which are mined to death by gold farmers or farmers in general, who then spam zone with insane charges for items.
450 per dwarven oil.. 150 per honing stone.. *** right off..


It actually comes across, that the game, the missions and the design of them, the cosmetic side was done by a completely separate company to the rest of it.

Coggage

Don't repair your equipped gear. You will always be finding better stuff in the next quest or the one after that, so just replace damaged gear. No-one is FORCING you to repair your gear.

Aett_Thorn

There needs to be some gold sinks in the game, or else inflation takes over and new players just absolutely won't be able to afford anything. I have not seen any charges that I would consider exorbitant or hindering. Horses are expensive, but you really don't need them, and I tend to not use mine unless I know that I have a really decent distance to cover - I prefer to just take my time and look around. As such, since they are just a convenience item, they can charge a decent amount for them without ruining gameplay for most people.

You are not forced to craft your own gear. You can buy from other players, find gear, get it as quest rewards, etc. My main character right now is using a combination of self-crafted gear, found loot, and some pauldrons I got from someone that could craft a different style than I could that I traded him for.

And small maps? Really? REALLY?!?! Glenumbra is HUGE. So is Cyrodil. What parts do you think are small?

rdfarley89

Hmm took me and my friend close to week to 100% Deshaan playing 5 hours a night. Seems the map is really small...

Alurria

Too many whiney refugees from other games on the forums late. That's my major rant.

Pristia

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

Laerian

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

A mmorpg that can be played with a nintendo gamepad, it's meant to be a simply button smasher.

k9mouse

It takes to level 13 or so, before I even need 5 slots -- lol. I can play the game fine with only 2 or 3 skills for a long time before I need that many of skills. 5 skills is more then enough IMHO.

Some maps almost seem to BIG at times. LOL ~does the OP want more skooma?~

rdfarley89

Pristia

Laerian wrote: »

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

A mmorpg that can be played with a nintendo gamepad, it's meant to be a simply button smasher.

So is one that can map 30 hot keys for skills and items, just hit the buttons no skill involved.

thilog

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

I'll try to respond to all the objections...

5 buttons.. not a masher? Seriously? That's exactly what it is. You use 2 maybe 3 buttons to fight and 2 for dot's or heals.

My xbox control uses more buttons than this bloody game.

Map size is SMALL, in skyrim I get to play on the ENTIRE map. Not 20% of it.

At 5 hours a night, I made lv 28. As well as 4 other chars all at 15-20.
All you do, is follow the pointer, end quest, start quest, follow the pointer, level up.. get all the skill shards.. leave map, new map, start quest, follow pointer, end quest, level up, leave map.. it's designed exactly like a console game.

There's no goto this town, check map, work out route, dodge that angry giant, it is all follow pointer.. boring. ***.

The only thing that saves the game, is the graphics, the mobs, the quests themselves, if you take time to read through them, the books if you take time to read them... I doubt 90% of the player base have read a single book.. in the game or out of it.

Oh and don't repair your gear.. that's why you die more.

rdfarley89

Please do not continue to play then. Why do you have to come here to complain? I really don't see the point of people coming here to complain that they do not enjoy the game, and it isn't just this game. Okay so say I bought say a Keurig, and my Keurig worked pretty well, maybe sometimes had issues, but for the most part worked well...but I just didn't like it. Would I go to Keurig or other Keurig owners and complain about my Keurig...no I would just stop using my Keurig, so please stop playing the game if you do not like it. Go make a review for your blog or social media page but don't come complaining to the forums about reasons why you don't like the game because *drumroll* no one cares. I am not trying to be a jerk or anything just think, why does anyone on this forum care that you don't like ESO? They don't.

Pristia

Forget the dodging, rolling, blocking, interrupting ect and just hit those 5 buttons standing there and where does it get you? There is a lot more the just hitting your 5 skills, 6 if you count your ultimate

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

thilog wrote: »

This game, the actual game, is superb.. it really is.

But the design, the layout.. is utter garbage.

5 skill slots
linear leveling
Insane repair charges
tax on trade guild sales
cost of horses
cost of skill point resets
small maps
enforced crafting to supply your own gear, which is in turn based on poor resource fields which are mined to death by gold farmers or farmers in general, who then spam zone with insane charges for items.
450 per dwarven oil.. 150 per honing stone.. *** right off..


It actually comes across, that the game, the missions and the design of them, the cosmetic side was done by a completely separate company to the rest of it.

would you prefer a simple "I win" button to hit during character create? why repair anything, most times you can either craft or find replacement gear during adventuring. You only have to pay that sort of price for those things like oil/stone if you dont craft, if you craft you would get them for free.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

thilog wrote: »

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

I'll try to respond to all the objections...

5 buttons.. not a masher? Seriously? That's exactly what it is. You use 2 maybe 3 buttons to fight and 2 for dot's or heals.

My xbox control uses more buttons than this bloody game.

Map size is SMALL, in skyrim I get to play on the ENTIRE map. Not 20% of it.

At 5 hours a night, I made lv 28. As well as 4 other chars all at 15-20.
All you do, is follow the pointer, end quest, start quest, follow the pointer, level up.. get all the skill shards.. leave map, new map, start quest, follow pointer, end quest, level up, leave map.. it's designed exactly like a console game.

There's no goto this town, check map, work out route, dodge that angry giant, it is all follow pointer.. boring. ***.

The only thing that saves the game, is the graphics, the mobs, the quests themselves, if you take time to read through them, the books if you take time to read them... I doubt 90% of the player base have read a single book.. in the game or out of it.

Oh and don't repair your gear.. that's why you die more.

well if you have that many characters in this amount of time obviously you arent exploring and doing anythign else than following the little white arrows. No wonder you are all "grrr ahhh" about it all. I have been playing 5 hours a night since five day early access and I am only 22 on one and 7 on another. If you dont like the idea of following the arrow to point A to B, why dont you turn it off. Its optional,

Why should this game be anything like Skyrims map size? its a completely different type of game, with a different design, serving a different purpose for a compeltely different type of game.

In regards to button mashing you do know that in Skyrim basically all you could do as a sword and board person was to do regular/strong hit, shield bash/block. thats it. How did you do all that? by button mashing. All games are about button mashing. At least the combat here is immediately better than in Skyrim in some ways, in others less so. More mashing but more variety, even with just five buttons. Once again its a different game and a different style.

RiverWalker

why do you feel forced to craft? why can't you pay someone else to do it?

I mean really theres no shortage of people who would be thrilled to make you stuff..

the 10% on guild sales is a bit high, but I don't think its as bad as people make it out to be.

5 skill slots is a *good* thing.

I do think that getting a voucher or something for free or reduced cost skill point resets at certain times would be worthwhile.

overall i don't see the big deal with most of these issues.

Sharee

thilog wrote: »

5 buttons.. not a masher? Seriously? That's exactly what it is. You use 2 maybe 3 buttons to fight and 2 for dot's or heals

'Buttons' that i use during gameplay depending on situation: Light attack, heavy attack, block, dodge roll, interrupt, sneak, sprint, 5 abilities on one bar, 5 abilities on second bar, 2 ultimates. Sometimes even jump.

That's... 20?

Singular

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

Having only 6 buttons makes you button mash a lot more. Having 20 or 30 makes you figure out interesting synergies.

thilog

rdfarley89 wrote: »

Please do not continue to play then. Why do you have to come here to complain? I really don't see the point of people coming here to complain that they do not enjoy the game, and it isn't just this game. Okay so say I bought say a Keurig, and my Keurig worked pretty well, maybe sometimes had issues, but for the most part worked well...but I just didn't like it. Would I go to Keurig or other Keurig owners and complain about my Keurig...no I would just stop using my Keurig, so please stop playing the game if you do not like it. Go make a review for your blog or social media page but don't come complaining to the forums about reasons why you don't like the game because *drumroll* no one cares. I am not trying to be a jerk or anything just think, why does anyone on this forum care that you don't like ESO? They don't.

Are you incapable of reading moron.. fo..

Singular

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

well if you have that many characters in this amount of time obviously you arent exploring and doing anythign else than following the little white arrows. No wonder you are all "grrr ahhh" about it all. I have been playing 5 hours a night since five day early access and I am only 22 on one and 7 on another. If you dont like the idea of following the arrow to point A to B, why dont you turn it off. Its optional,

Why should this game be anything like Skyrims map size? its a completely different type of game, with a different design, serving a different purpose for a compeltely different type of game.

In regards to button mashing you do know that in Skyrim basically all you could do as a sword and board person was to do regular/strong hit, shield bash/block. thats it. How did you do all that? by button mashing. All games are about button mashing. At least the combat here is immediately better than in Skyrim in some ways, in others less so. More mashing but more variety, even with just five buttons. Once again its a different game and a different style.

Wow, I didn't know you could turn off the arrow thing! Having it on does make the game feel linear - just follow the story, kill a few things on the way, done. Although, tbh, I'm a bit lost even with it on. I'd have no way to figure out storylines if I turned it off, though the experience would be much more engaging.

thilog

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

would you prefer a simple "I win" button to hit during character create? why repair anything, most times you can either craft or find replacement gear during adventuring. You only have to pay that sort of price for those things like oil/stone if you dont craft, if you craft you would get them for free.

wtf is the point of your post? I expect to repair my gear, myself.. at the cost of time and resources.. but not at the cost of half the days income. Where in my post does it suggest, even remotely that i want an i win button. If anything, this game is too EASY to win. I just want the frustration removed, it would be nicer to have bigger maps, with longer quests that give less xp..

The complete f opposite of an i win button.

Noth

Singular wrote: »

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

Having only 6 buttons makes you button mash a lot more. Having 20 or 30 makes you figure out interesting synergies.

I have 5 abilities + 1 ult. A button to switch to 5 more and another ult. A button for light attacks, a button for block, a command for interrupts, a command for heavy attack, a command for dodging, and jumping even comes into play if you are fighting near traps.

That is a minumum 11 things that would be a hotkey in another game.

Having 20-30 would make synergies far too easy to do and make it possible to do be a great tank, a great dps and a great healer all at once and that would be bad for gameplay.

thilog

Sharee wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

5 buttons.. not a masher? Seriously? That's exactly what it is. You use 2 maybe 3 buttons to fight and 2 for dot's or heals

'Buttons' that i use during gameplay depending on situation: Light attack, heavy attack, block, dodge roll, interrupt, sneak, sprint, 5 abilities on one bar, 5 abilities on second bar, 2 ultimates. Sometimes even jump.

That's... 20?

Oh right.. I moved forward, that's a button.. and 2 ultimates? I the hell do you access 2 ultimates? use one, both recharge.. you might as well have one and swap it out when you use it.. the swap weapons scenario doesn't really cut it.

Jadeviper1974

thilog wrote: »

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

I'll try to respond to all the objections...

5 buttons.. not a masher? Seriously? That's exactly what it is. You use 2 maybe 3 buttons to fight and 2 for dot's or heals.

My xbox control uses more buttons than this bloody game.

Map size is SMALL, in skyrim I get to play on the ENTIRE map. Not 20% of it.

At 5 hours a night, I made lv 28. As well as 4 other chars all at 15-20.
All you do, is follow the pointer, end quest, start quest, follow the pointer, level up.. get all the skill shards.. leave map, new map, start quest, follow pointer, end quest, level up, leave map.. it's designed exactly like a console game.

There's no goto this town, check map, work out route, dodge that angry giant, it is all follow pointer.. boring. ***.

The only thing that saves the game, is the graphics, the mobs, the quests themselves, if you take time to read through them, the books if you take time to read them... I doubt 90% of the player base have read a single book.. in the game or out of it.

Oh and don't repair your gear.. that's why you die more.

So your objection is that the game is an MMO, not single player?

Noth

thilog wrote: »

RiverWalker wrote: »

why do you feel forced to craft? why can't you pay someone else to do it?

I mean really theres no shortage of people who would be thrilled to make you stuff..

the 10% on guild sales is a bit high, but I don't think its as bad as people make it out to be.

5 skill slots is a *good* thing.

I do think that getting a voucher or something for free or reduced cost skill point resets at certain times would be worthwhile.

overall i don't see the big deal with most of these issues.

Seriously? Why do I feel I have to craft, why can't i ask someone else to do it??

BECAUSE THEY CHARGE YOU 5000000X THE PRICE !! BECAUSE THE ENTIRE SERVER IS FULL OF GREEDY CAPITALISTS THAT SEE ONLY AS FAR AS THE END OF THEIR NOSE.

Did you actually think.. before responding.. if you don't have a big deal, why bloody reply? The "game" the GAME the "GAME" is fine.. the money sinks are stupid, pathetic, childish and *** almost everyone off that I know..

Come 3 months from now, when my time expires.. with i resub? No f chance..

You do realize that the money sinks play a part in the game. You do realize that a new game always has people overcharging for things right? It is because the economy hasn't been established yet and it always takes time for an in game economy to settle.

loco

I don't understand a lot of the design choices that were made for this game. It's almost like they tried hard to make it something it shouldn't have been in the first place (PvP centric).

They could have made an awesome group based open world game, with depth and interesting environments, but chose not to. Shame really, and I'm still trying to understand why. Anyway, I just hit vr10, what a pain the ass, I can quit satisfied I got my money's worth now.

thilog

byghostlightrwb17_ESO wrote: »

well if you have that many characters in this amount of time obviously you arent exploring and doing anythign else than following the little white arrows. No wonder you are all "grrr ahhh" about it all. I have been playing 5 hours a night since five day early access and I am only 22 on one and 7 on another. If you dont like the idea of following the arrow to point A to B, why dont you turn it off. Its optional,

Why should this game be anything like Skyrims map size? its a completely different type of game, with a different design, serving a different purpose for a compeltely different type of game.

In regards to button mashing you do know that in Skyrim basically all you could do as a sword and board person was to do regular/strong hit, shield bash/block. thats it. How did you do all that? by button mashing. All games are about button mashing. At least the combat here is immediately better than in Skyrim in some ways, in others less so. More mashing but more variety, even with just five buttons. Once again its a different game and a different style.

Oh an intelligent answer at last!

Actually I do explore.. I don't follow quests in order, I tend to ramble around picking them up and then randomly completing them. I join in will anchor fights and heal people, dotter about and help here or there.

As for skyrim map, different game, no.. actually, this is skyrim.. it's just mmo and with some pvp thrown in. If it was proper pvp, it'd be like wow, you could go anywhere.. and like a few other pvp mm's that have proper pvp. Not this sandbox mode.

And in skyrim, I usually snuck up on people and killed them quick.. no button mashing, timed, thought out strokes.

Korah_Eaglecry

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

Actually the 5 button layout promotes DPS builds. With a limited selection of skills you have to choose the abilities that are going to give you the most bang for the space you have.

They would of been better off with an actual 10 slot ability bar. It would still limit the player but allow enough situational variety to let someone play the class/role they wanted too.

Noth

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Pristia wrote: »

Again with the 5 skill slot complaint, its meant to be not just another button smasher, but rather to make you think about what you are doing. Who needs 30 quick bar slots, just screen clutter, I personally like the 5 slot system, makes things more interesting.

Actually the 5 button layout promotes DPS builds. With a limited selection of skills you have to choose the abilities that are going to give you the most bang for the space you have.

They would of been better off with an actual 10 slot ability bar. It would still limit the player but allow enough situational variety to let someone play the class/role they wanted too.

Actually it promotes picking and choosing what you want to do. If I took my group dps build and tried to solo with it in VR content. I'd get smashed anytime I took on more than one mob (most of the time). If I ran it with my tank build, I could survive, but it would take me awhile to kill them.

With 10, I wouldn't really need to make any choices, I would simply put dps and tank skills on it and roll over content even more easily than I do now.

thilog

Right well, enough of replying to the stupid idiot replies.. I got 29.75 ish.. off to watch telly, then bed, then up to mash buttons some more.. then it'll be off to the rift.. for more.. start, finish, mash, die, mash, die, level up.. one day.. someone, will actually make an mmo, like everyquest.. that, like everquest will last for 10 years and people will pay to play it for 10 years.. but this isn't it.

Wow kinda was.. just kinda got abit samey..

Chevie

thilog wrote: »

Come 3 months from now, when my time expires.. will i resub? No f chance..

thank goodness!