Why is the Insult "go play wow"

Zerl

Obviously there are "Haters" out there who despise WoW simply because of the success that it has had. However at the same time there are genuine reasons behind some people's view.

For me, I have to say that I believe that the "conveniences" that WoW has brought to the genre along with the premise of quantity>quality in terms of content has had an adverse effect on the playerbase as a whole. I'm not going to delve into the reasons in any great detail (as that can be saved for another discussion and/ or when I can get the time to do it).

You'll probably find that the majority of people who advise that Player X should go play WoW (or any other game for that matter) are simply saying so as the content/ features that Player X is demanding is already available in said game.

My concern, is that with people constantly (even if indirect) calling for WoW clones, then Developers are simply going to give up on trying to be innovative (e.g. look at the FPS genre).

Bottom line (at least from my point of view), is people should try to embrace innovation and appreciate the direction of the game. Considering the fact that this game is still at an early age, it's far too early to be claiming that things are failing (obviously that excludes bugs).

Tarelyn

when i think of WoW...

i thnk of Lemmings.

that is all.

Thete

Because the people that say that played WoW, were bad at it, assumed the game was bad despite its overwhelming popularity (after all, how absurd to assume they must just be bad?) and move onto the next game which they initially proclaim to be a WoW killer, then they turn out to be bad at that, call it a WoW clone and move onto the next game ... ad nauseum. I've come across it ever since AoC.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

my perspective is that "go play wow" holds a few meanings in context:

i want a mini-map - go play wow = shut up.
in wow you dont have to constantly run instances for the best gear - go play wow = you're a whinny idiot that didnt pay attention to how many times you "didnt" (did) have to run instances for loot. not to mention the fact that not all games don't adhere to the "even playing field" mentality.
this game is too hard - go play wow = what a noob, you dont know what hard is...

my opinion on the whole "go play wow" thing is that WoW was a very "care bear" game. it was a decent MMO but just evolved slowly into the worst set up for a grind fest that was easy enough anyone (literally) could play it. the difference in the games before wow and after are vastly different, but my experience is that the worst change was the community. all the people i know/knew/played EQ with did not look highly on WoW players. i even found some closet players in my circle because of the lack of respect and prestige there is being one. i dont hate wow, just the vast majority of the players and i rarely hide it.

mutharex

WoW is the archetype of handholding, linear, dumbed down MMOs. There, that sounds better. So when people asks to make this more like WoW, others will tell them to go play that, if they want something similar.

Azzuria

As so eloquently stated by others, there is no 'WoW Killer' but WoW itself.

And, yes, a great lump of folks grew up with WoW as -the- benchmark of what an MMO should be. Personally, I played EQ before WoW and was enamoured of the simplicity it offered over EQ's overwhelming complexity, crude graphics ( when WoW is an improvement you know how bad it is! ) and simply terrible, game-breaking string of expansions ( Planes of Power killed it for me. LDoN danced on the corpse ).

I believe 'go play WoW' is the general response to people who, while not wanting to play WoW, want the game to be homogenized into something so much like WoW that it's nearly indistinguishable. They seem to feel that any MMO should be a WoW-clone because, quite literally, that's all they have ever known and, as we all know, change is scary.

There is room for improvement in this game but, come on, it's not even a month old! It took WoW months to add in 30-40 level dungeons upon release ( still LOVE Dire Maul!! ). There is more content to be added and change will come.

But to demand that a game that made conscious design choiced to be different from WoW and it's heirs be morphed into yet another WoW clone is asinine. The dismissive nature of 'go play WoW' expresses the frustration I feel ( and I presume to speak for some ) at those who don't want to embrace what makes this game unique and special.

Sarenia

The only people who care about World of Warcraft and compare it to other games are World of Warcraft players.

The rest of us who never played it couldn't care less either way, beyond many modern MMOs trying to mimic it in a way we find unappealing.

I'll probably just copy+paste that into all these threads to save time.

Shimond

I'm not sure that it's an insult so much as a recommendation for those who seem to miss playing that game so much they seek to have this one take a bunch of features (that really aren't needed) from it.

k9mouse

Some people might try to turn ESO into a "WoW clone" and ESO players (over?)react to those fears. Many of us do not want ESO to be WoW and get frustrated if someone is trying to turn ESO into WoW by silly and stupid requests. (AH, flying mounts, battle grounds, non lore friendly mounts [riding pink rabbits or boars / bears],DPS Meters, combat logs, etc) as example of the request that many will fear of ESO turning into a WoW clone.

Ravinsild

Sarenia wrote: »

The only people who care about World of Warcraft and compare it to other games are World of Warcraft players.

The rest of us who never played it couldn't care less either way, beyond many modern MMOs trying to mimic it in a way we find unappealing.

I'll probably just copy+paste that into all these threads to save time.

How do you know they are mimicking WoW if you've never played WoW to know what those other mmos are mimicking?

Simply because other people told you so?

Madae

Most of you are pretty dumb.

Gohlar

People who say go play wow to everything are probably lower skilled players. A decent player can look at mechanics and features individually. A WoW washout fears repeating their failures. These are the people who say the game has no challenging content because they beat the easiest difficulty and pretended they were done. They will tout a game like ESO with it's heavy solo focus and extremely simplified gameplay, while saying other mmos are dumbed down. They want to limit how far skill can get you by insisting everyone be forced down a solo, linear path, because they fear falling behind.

Also, suggesting that because World of Warcraft didn't do something well, no game should ever try again, is really stupid.

tldr: They are noobs who couldn't hang in WoW and are still upset about it or simply uninformed and parroting what noobs told them.

Sarenia

Ravinsild wrote: »

Sarenia wrote: »

The only people who care about World of Warcraft and compare it to other games are World of Warcraft players.

The rest of us who never played it couldn't care less either way, beyond many modern MMOs trying to mimic it in a way we find unappealing.

I'll probably just copy+paste that into all these threads to save time.

How do you know they are mimicking WoW if you've never played WoW to know what those other mmos are mimicking?

Simply because other people told you so?

Because I have a social life, and family.

I have a relative who has played the game since beta. He hates it, but continues to play it. I've heard every WoW rant known to (wo)man over the years. Which expansions were awful, which ones were great, etc.

Sometimes clever posts aren't as clever as you think. Have a sympathy +1 LOL.

zaria

Zerl wrote: »

Obviously there are "Haters" out there who despise WoW simply because of the success that it has had. However at the same time there are genuine reasons behind some people's view.

For me, I have to say that I believe that the "conveniences" that WoW has brought to the genre along with the premise of quantity>quality in terms of content has had an adverse effect on the playerbase as a whole. I'm not going to delve into the reasons in any great detail (as that can be saved for another discussion and/ or when I can get the time to do it).

You'll probably find that the majority of people who advise that Player X should go play WoW (or any other game for that matter) are simply saying so as the content/ features that Player X is demanding is already available in said game.

My concern, is that with people constantly (even if indirect) calling for WoW clones, then Developers are simply going to give up on trying to be innovative (e.g. look at the FPS genre).

Bottom line (at least from my point of view), is people should try to embrace innovation and appreciate the direction of the game. Considering the fact that this game is still at an early age, it's far too early to be claiming that things are failing (obviously that excludes bugs).

Pretty much this, I have nothing against WOW myself, I enjoyed my stay.
(OT/ OT (on topic / off topic) many people hate WOW as they played it until they was so bored they could puke, then continue to play)
If you try an game, find you don't like it and drop it you don't hate it, yes many hate ESO as they want it and its not they game they would like.

If you want an good WOW clone play Wildstar, it will be interesting on how well it does work out.

I for mine part like ESO, its an very limited number of features from WOW I want in ESO, ranked access to guild bank, Item preview on character, and transmogrify of items (added just before MOP)

Thechemicals

Because everyone came from WoW, and if you are playing a new game and dont like certain features because you were so used to it from WoW...then go back to WoW.

TheTimeWizard

I believe that the ESO community will be the driving force in the development of the ESO experience, just as the WoW community was the driving force in the development of the WoW experience. Trying to make one like the other is a losing proposition at best. They are not meant to be the same. I don't think ESO is a WoW killer and it was never developed with that in mind. ESO is ESO and WoW is WoW. There is a vision and a direction that ESO is taking that is not found in other MMO's, and I will be a part of the community that helps to develop ESO. I won't need to compare it to WoW in that process because ESO stands on it's own.

Thechemicals

Eso is vastly superior to WoW in everything but interface. Thats not Blizzard's fault, its an old game. With that said, we need to be careful of the features we spam desires about, it could hurt this games future.

Melian

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

Melian wrote: »

Because people complain that this game doesn't have name plates, a mini-map, an auction house, two rows of hotkeys, arenas, etc. etc.

It isn't an insult; people just like this game the way it is and don't want to see it turned into WoW.

Thing is, WoW wasn't the first to do that many of those things, if any.

That is irrelevant. For those who want those things, WoW is the obvious choice. Trying to change ESO is not.

SadisticSavior

PVT_Parts wrote: »

WHY IS THE INSULT "GO PLAY WOW"

Because WoW is the lowest-common-denominator of MMOs. In pretty much every way. Gear-based advancement, limited character options, raiding grind...you name it.

It's like the network Sitcom of MMOs. Something that appeals to the masses but isn't all that deep.

SadisticSavior

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

The thing is, people hate wow because it is cool thing to do, or they changed the game in a way they don't like. So they hate on it.

I don't even consider it a insult myself, Wow gave many of us Years of enjoyment. Not many games have done that, and it was a fun ride. People are just silly.

I played WoW...all the criticisms are deserved. Advancement is basically through gear, which means twinking and powerlevelling are rampant. The only "real" game is the end game. It encompasses all the things I hate about MMOs. It's an RTS masquerading as an MMO. It has more in common with Mechwarrior Online than with ESO.

I for one am really really glad we have alternatives to WoW in the fantasy MMO genre. WoW is the PeeWee's Playhouse MMO.

Thete

Ravinsild wrote: »

How do you know they are mimicking WoW if you've never played WoW to know what those other mmos are mimicking?

Simply because other people told you so?

Precisely this. In fact I challenge many of the people who say they've actually played WoW, or any other MMO, and disparage it, or draw comparisons, to back it up. The frequent comments made demonstrate that they haven't played it at all beyond maybe logging in and bouncing around a major city.

Shimond

Thete wrote: »

Precisely this. In fact I challenge many of the people who say they've actually played WoW, or any other MMO, and disparage it, or draw comparisons, to back it up. The frequent comments made demonstrate that they haven't played it at all beyond maybe logging in and bouncing around a major city.

Oh please not everyone that's played it (for YEARS even) is still in love with it. What do you want us to do, link old armory profiles or some crap? Pretty much anyone that's played an MMO has played WOW at some point. The few that deny playing it at all yet claim to be active in MMOs the past 10 years are kinda suspect, IMO :P

rawne1980b16_ESO

Other genre's have their own version.

Play Planetside 2 and you'll hear the occasional "go back to CoD".

Not incredibly well thought out "insults" but the people using them aren't generally well educated so we give them a pass if they can spell "back" without resorting to "bk" because words are hard.

Thete

Shimond wrote: »

Oh please not everyone that's played it (for YEARS even) is still in love with it. What do you want us to do, link old armory profiles or some crap?

You seem to have linked my reply in as if yours had anything to do with it. What I said was that most of the people disparaging it have not actually played it. When they state things about the game which aren't true, it's sort of a clue. These people just point at things that they don't want in whichever game they're banging on about (ESO in this case, but they swarm across the gaming world like locusts), and point out that it's bad because it's in WoW. Many times the feature being attacked is not even a feature of the WoW game (and you need only go a few posts up to see someone listing some).

I made no comment on people who don't like it. I don't like cooked carrots, but I don't try and attack people for eating them.

SadisticSavior

Thete wrote: »

Precisely this. In fact I challenge many of the people who say they've actually played WoW, or any other MMO, and disparage it, or draw comparisons, to back it up. The frequent comments made demonstrate that they haven't played it at all beyond maybe logging in and bouncing around a major city.

It is a "RPG" only in the loosest sense of the word. There are like 7 character models in the entire game. The only way to differentiate yourself is with gear...and everyone of comparable level has the same gear pretty much. The best gear is from drops, not crafted, which means if you want the best gear you need to do raiding grinds.

Am I wrong?

Loxy37

silenthunter29 wrote: »

Because this game is touted to be wow killer?

To me, ESO is a WoW killer but not to all of course. I love ESO with every fibre of my being. I played WoW for 4.5 years from Beta and loved it but stopped playing cause I was burned out on it and didn't like its direction but I by no means think its a bad game, just not for me any more.

Gwarok

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Was it an insult when WOW came out to say "Go play Runescape"?

No, but when World of War(crap) was still vanilla did tell people to go back to EQ

Thete

SadisticSavior wrote: »

The only way to differentiate yourself is with gear...and everyone of comparable level has the same gear pretty much. The best gear is from drops, not crafted, which means if you want the best gear you need to do raiding grinds.

Am I wrong?

Yes and no. Certainly crafting has lost its usefulness, which I lament, but I'm amongst the best geared paladins in the world, but you won't find too many of the others geared as I am. This is partly the point I'm making. People infer things from a limited experience, which doesn't include personal experience of end game, and draw such conclusions.

Certainly to get the best gear, however, you need to do the most challenging content. It is a loot based games as so many MMOs are. Is ESO any different? I don't know, we'll see.

That being said, I'm not saying it's the best game. It's the greatest game without doubt, but if I thought it was the best, I wouldn't be playing ESO. I will still play WoW for its end game until another comes along which can better it, but the other content has become too trivial for me. One thing I like about ESO so far is the challenge it includes in even the levelling part of the game (hence the posts of people whining that this or that solo content is too hard and should be nerfed).

SadisticSavior

I honestly do not expect ESO to do as well as WoW...I don't consider it a WoW killer.

Partly because WoW is a lowest common denominator game. It is designed to appeal to the quick-reward easy-mode crowd. I personally hate it, but it appeals to a lot more MMO players than ESO will.

PVT_Parts

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Ah, I see. Personally I tried wow for a few months, but don't really go for the "click attack and just wait while your guy auto attacks"

That's uh... like pretty much the exact opposite of how that game plays. At least know what you're talking about before badmouthing something.

So they changed the fighting style? I remember just pointing, right clicking and then pressing 1-0 whenever my abilities were available. Guess I didn't actually play WOW?