Werewolf- Major disappointment

fambaab16_ESO

Bugs Bugs High Cost

Thats what you get when you want to play werewolf.

Skills:
Morph
Bugged to no ends
50% of the time morph fails, maybe due to lag or other reasons, mainly in instanced dungeons.
The Morph itself can be dispelled. Should not be possible -bug.
After a failed morph youre still flagged as werewolf. You can use your skills alright, but you can't change weapons or hide.

Pounce
Various times I pounced all my skills greyed out and I could do nothing but to toggle Morph off (when I was finally able to morph)

Feroucious Roar
Fear only applies the first time.
Second time you use it on the same mobs they don't run away.

High Cost.
Almost impossible to play as a werewolf in PvP, unless you farm mobs for 10 minutes to get 1 Morph.
Ultimate energy might rise faster when you use heavy AoE Spells at Keepfights.
But werewolfes are mostly melee classes with focus on stamina. Gaining ultimate on single target focused characters with damage just takes to long.
All Melee skills, especially those who only damage 1 target need to be revised on ultimate gain.

1000 Ultimate
is to much for a time based skill. Werewolf should stay on until you turn it off. Or cost need to be lower.

All in All I feel like I am Alpha testing the Werewolf form which is pretty close what it really seems to be because noone before except the devs were testing it. Not thouroughly enough, with no sense of what it becomes in PvP.

Compared to Vampire Skill Elusive Mist Werewolf needs a BIIIIG BOOST.
Ive had countless times now where 10 people were chasing a vampire unable to kill him because he used elusive mist while spamming it running around. Compared to Werewolf elusive mist should be a 500 Ultimate skill.

just my 2 cents

dinogn

i fully agree, werewolf form should be at least 300 or less, or make passive avayable also for human form

Elyna

Pretty much agreed with everything. I have a werewolf and vampire characters. I vastly prefer vampires because I am able to use more and feel like a vampire. On my werewolf char, I dont even feel like a werewolf, the ult takes too long to charge. Its incredibly discouraging to be playing for a long time and only see that your ult is barely 1/4th full.

lyndsayporterb16_ESO

Seriously hope they do some revamping. Or at the very least, make transformations a toggable thing/lower the ultimate level requirement. 1000 is ridiculous.

Vangrave

Werewolf form isn't neaaaaarly worth 1k ult. I'd say it should be even lower than 300, I actually don't think it's any stronger than most normal ults and in fact I'd say it's weaker than a number of them. 200 would be a good number, I think.

Mustaklaki

Vangrave wrote: »

Werewolf form isn't neaaaaarly worth 1k ult. I'd say it should be even lower than 300, I actually don't think it's any stronger than most normal ults and in fact I'd say it's weaker than a number of them. 200 would be a good number, I think.

Ugh... backseat developers make me sick. 200? You serious? You would get that up in about 30-45 seconds.

Luciana

Mustaklaki wrote: »

Ugh... backseat developers make me sick. 200? You serious? You would get that up in about 30-45 seconds.

It's called feedback.

ScardyFox

Luciana wrote: »

Mustaklaki wrote: »

Ugh... backseat developers make me sick. 200? You serious? You would get that up in about 30-45 seconds.

It's called feedback.

Feedback? Thats a far too rational sentiment.

MasterLanz

Yeah, 200 is too low. 700 might be okay. It'd go down to 625 when fully-leveled, and down to about 420 after Savior's Hide. With a high-ULT build I can build up my 925 berserker ult in half a dozen pulls or so. 3min tops if I'm going from fight to fight. If it was 200, I'd be wolfing out every 5 kills or so, and that's without Savior's hide. With Savior's Hide I may as well hang up all my skills because I'd just be a werewolf all the time.

Werewolf gets better the more you put into it. Even with all the bugs, it almost passes for decent once you're rank 10 and morphed. Still garbage in PVP, but I have a lot of uses for it in PVE. Adds a good dynamic to my otherwise-tank character by giving him a powerful DPS switch.

That said, most of the concerns brought up by the OP are legit. It is indeed buggy as hell and needs a lot of work. A lot of the above success I mention is only because I know half a dozen exploits to counter the many bugs and imbalances.

ScardyFox

The ultimate needs to go and it should be on a toggled timer. The ultimate should be for the Werewolf itself (only usable in the wolf form).

doublestickjock7_ESO

I would love to see this moved to a toggable ability, instead of having just a "Werewolf Timer" system. Instead make it to where that bar is the power of the werewolf, completely full = 100% damage and 0% = 50% damage or something. Eat humanoids or make kills to fill the gauge, over time the gauge decays and you lose power unless you sate your bloodlust. Maybe tweak the numbers for Werewolf damage and add a few more abilities that make sense for a Werewolf and I would be sold.

Ravinsild

fambaab16_ESO wrote: »

Compared to Vampire Skill Elusive Mist Werewolf needs a BIIIIG BOOST.
Ive had countless times now where 10 people were chasing a vampire unable to kill him because he used elusive mist while spamming it running around. Compared to Werewolf elusive mist should be a 500 Ultimate skill.

just my 2 cents

Okay, and then what? Vampires cannot attack or even receive healing while in mist form. They essentially disable themselves to take 75% less damage and go fast (or do terrible poison damage over time). They can't attack or defend or do anything at all other than run around.

How is that OP? Just because they're fast and don't die? Were they actually killing anyone or doing anything other than just running in circles not dying?

fambaab16_ESO

@Ravinsild
Its the ultimative survival skill. I doubt you want to attack somebody with that skill when youre alone vs 5+ people. But you cannot be targeted, and youre not attackeable with AE CC.
If I were a vampire I would constantly use that skill to charge with mist into the enemy do AE Spells and escape with mist again.
Very hard to counter.
In pvp not being able to kill a single person which has no support for over one minute with 10 people is either overpowered or broken.
I doubt the devs had that in mind.
I don't blame anyone picking vampire at all, even if its based solely on that skill.
More likely to compare it with werewolf.
Im thinking that many skills still need balancing/tweaking.
The last patch (1.03) just mentioned a broke maybe even exploited skill from Ranger.
Maybe the cost for mist is way to low as the werewolf ult skill cost is way to high.

Atalle

Anyone else find that when you're questing you get the WW ultimate ability up half way to then go turn in a quest and find it back down to 0?

otribe

I love being a werewolf! If only I was able to transform more often.
the toggle on/off idea seems like a ton of fun. but as always I'm sure there would be balencing issues behind that. It seems that I hardly ever get to transform! and I only get two abilities. My general wolf state of mind is "JUMP JUMP HOWL JUMP slash slash etc"

I might be missing something. But as we all know Werewolves get absolutely destroyed by poison. I think toggle would do nicely because you could actually be useful in any situation. Yes Werewolves do a ton of damage, but the weakness to poison would make people think twice about transforming in any old place. Transforming (with the long animation time included) Would make transforming mid battle less than desirable as well as becoming a target for all archers. With a toggle, I could actually run around the battlefield as a wolf! not grind mobs for half an hour for one morph.

otribe

Atalle wrote: »

Anyone else find that when you're questing you get the WW ultimate ability up half way to then go turn in a quest and find it back down to 0?

Oh boy have I. Just as I'm thinking "Ima werewolf the S*%$ out of the next quest I get" Im back to zero. Im not quite sure why that is.

fambaab16_ESO

Its a bug I think, I think I read that devs are adressing the ultimate loss bug already. Seems not to happen only to us WWs but were the ones aching the hardest from it since were focused on the 1K.

Tendeep

Currently, I feel that I am FAR more powerful when not in WW form, but as my Sword and Board Tank Templar - Not good, what is the use if you can only transform now and again, only have two abilities, and both are really poor, not to mention the morphs, very lack luster!

So far very sad at how WW have been implemented :-(

Moloyo

I hate that they really worry about vamp bugs but not ww bugs... While vampirism is really good for pvp lycantropy... not at all

natewook

mostly everyone is a vamp in PVP. <.<

TheBull

I just dinged level 10 last night. All through PvP kills. Outside of the bugs like not transforming and detransforming WW biggest issue at the moment is survivability the inability to break hard CC is a killer. A HP buff on transform would help too. Something to get the WW to about 4k hp.

The damage is there. I hit a guy for 1556 with an heavy attack lastnight. If left unchecked I will kill 2-3 people per transform.

Sharee

Werewolf right now is a way to intentionally gimp yourself permanently, with an expensive option to temporarily gimp yourself even more

(My main is a WW right now. Leveling up the skills, in anticipation of an awesome WW patch that will make them competitive with vampires. Have faith! )

Warraxx

necro'd

natewook

The big problem with werewolf is that it costs way to much ultimate points '1000' so it takes a long time to transform even with blood rage.

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO

natewook wrote: »

The big problem with werewolf is that it costs way to much ultimate points '1000' so it takes a long time to transform even with blood rage.

It's actually 725 ultimate. But yes...still far too much for 40 sec WW time.

natewook

40 sec werewolf timer <.< for that much ultimate it needs to be way longer

Tendeep

Please ZOS, toss us a bone - We who have taken this skill line have been neglected since release!
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Can we bump the priority on this!? When I ask fellow ESO gamers, what would they do, they ALL say, RESPEC AND GO VAMP.

That has to mean something?!

None, 0, zip, nada, of my WW posts have had any official responses to them, none from what I can tell have had any positive ZOS informational posts in them... I know perspective differ, but this issue should have been addressed by now :-(

Warraxx

Zos, why make us feel like this...


When ESO werewolves could feel more like this...