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Molag Baal needs to be nerfed! (MODERATOR PLS CLOSE THIS THREAD!)
GreatPlayer
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The final boss Molag Baal must be nerfed! And here is my reasoning!
Currently if a player cannot defeat Molag Baal he is blocked from seeing the veteran content. It is like being stuck in level 40 when the game is level90! I think this is very bad game design! I believe all players should have the opportunity to level to the maximum level as quickly as possible!
And to satisfy those hardcore players Molag Baal should have a higher difficulty scale just for them and drop something nice, but for average player like myself I dont want to fight an elite molag baal!
Molag Baal took me 4 HOURS to beat which is just too long even for a dedicated MMO player such as myself, I cant imagine what this boss will be like for the average MMO player who is not as skill as I AM! PLS MAKE HIM EASIER so everyone can see all of tamerial ! THANK YOU!
1 more point I must clarify is I think it is a good idea to have super hard boss fight for elite players so that when the elite players kill the elite boss they get a godly legendary weapon or something special! But I am 100% against making a leveling boss elite!
Edited by GreatPlayer on April 13, 2014 9:41PM Currently if a player cannot defeat Molag Baal he is blocked from seeing the veteran content. It is like being stuck in level 40 when the game is level90! I think this is very bad game design! I believe all players should have the opportunity to level to the maximum level as quickly as possible!
And to satisfy those hardcore players Molag Baal should have a higher difficulty scale just for them and drop something nice, but for average player like myself I dont want to fight an elite molag baal!
Molag Baal took me 4 HOURS to beat which is just too long even for a dedicated MMO player such as myself, I cant imagine what this boss will be like for the average MMO player who is not as skill as I AM! PLS MAKE HIM EASIER so everyone can see all of tamerial ! THANK YOU!
1 more point I must clarify is I think it is a good idea to have super hard boss fight for elite players so that when the elite players kill the elite boss they get a godly legendary weapon or something special! But I am 100% against making a leveling boss elite!
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Skizot✭next time, try to fight him at a level OTHER than 45... he gets considerably easier. at level 50 i beat him first try.3
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »The final boss Molag Baal must be nerfed! And here is my resoning!
Currently if a player cannot defeat Molag Baal he is blocked from seeing the veteran content. It is like being stuck in level 40 when the game is level90! I think this is very bad game design! I believe all players should have the opportunity to level to the maximum level as quickly as possible!
And to satisfy those hardcore players Molag Baal should have a higher difficulty scale just for them and drop something nice, but for average player like myself I dont want to fight an elite molag baal!
Molag Baal took me 4 HOURS to beat which is just too long even for a dedicated MMO player such as myself, I cant imagine what this boss will be like for the average MMO player who is not as skill as I AM! PLS MAKE HIM EASIER so everyone can see all of tamerial ! THANK YOU!
Molag Bal has been nerfed repeatedly, and can be defeated in under 3 minutes by any of the four classes in this game. Build a proper character and don't expect to heal or CC him to death, and you'll win in no time. I don't say this to be elitist but you're going to barely make it past the first quest in the veteran zones if you're finding this fight difficult... he's basically a joke at this point and it's actually pretty sad to see the story hype him up as an amazing Daedric badass yet be able to be defeated simply with a restoration staff using Regeneration, blocking, and light attack spam. Honestly he needs to be made far, far more difficult again to make sense lore-wise or gameplay-wise, because as-is he inadequately checks to see if a player is going to be able to progress further, which is going to result in some rather rough times for people when the difficulty jumps up on them in the curve.Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 13, 2014 4:53AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭next time, try to fight him at a level OTHER than 45... he gets considerably easier. at level 50 i beat him first try.
You can't fight him at level 45...-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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GTaichou✭✭✭~思いにふける物~
Co-GM of The Psijic Order - Mara's Moxie
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Kronz✭✭✭Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?10 -
tripiseanb14_ESO✭✭✭The game is not too hard, if anything it is TOO EASY. Stop asking for PVE content to be nerfed, It should all be harder if anything.
World of Warcraft ruined MMOs by introducing pansy mode.17 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Molag Bal has been nerfed repeatedly, and can be defeated in under 3 minutes by any of the four classes in this game. Build a proper character and don't expect to heal or CC him to death, and you'll win in no time. I don't say this to be elitist but you're going to barely make it past the first quest in the veteran zones if you're finding this fight difficult... he's basically a joke at this point and it's actually pretty sad to see the story hype him up as an amazing Daedric badass yet be able to be defeated simply with a restoration staff using Regeneration, blocking, and light attack spam.
You are being an elitiest and inconsiderate to players who is just not as good as you! I am currently doing veteran content and nothing so far is as hard as that boss! the point I am making is dont make a leveling boss so hard that some people just cant beat it!9 -
Evilmog✭Wait...you can fail to that guy? After absorbing the soul of one of those other 2 people I tore through the rest of it. Nothing could kill me.1
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Not sure if spoilers are allowed or not...but you may have just spoiled alot of players main quest line who are not yet up to that point and have no idea that molag bal is the last boss before vet content.1
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✭✭✭Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
Both Mannimarco and Molag Bal have been nerfed to where you essentially can win with any self-heal ability, blocking, and spamming light attacks (while simply moving out of aoe's or using interrupt on Mannimarco's channeled beam as necessary), regardless of spec or gear. It's actually a disservice to the players to have them be such pushovers both story-wise and gameplay-wise, as they will then progress to the much more difficult (but not really tough) veteran content that will kill them repeatedly and mercilessly due to the difficulty finally curving up at that level. And so the cycle will continue of people whining that they should be able to beat everything on the first try with no idea what they're doing as far as skill or on building a character... God help them when they set foot in Cyrodiil and fight other players.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Molag Bal has been nerfed repeatedly, and can be defeated in under 3 minutes by any of the four classes in this game. Build a proper character and don't expect to heal or CC him to death, and you'll win in no time. I don't say this to be elitist but you're going to barely make it past the first quest in the veteran zones if you're finding this fight difficult... he's basically a joke at this point and it's actually pretty sad to see the story hype him up as an amazing Daedric badass yet be able to be defeated simply with a restoration staff using Regeneration, blocking, and light attack spam.
You are being an elitiest and inconsiderate to players who is just not as good as you! I am currently doing veteran content and nothing so far is as hard as that boss! the point I am making is dont make a leveling boss so hard that some people just cant beat it!
Sorry, but stating my opinion that he is easy is no more elitist than your statement that he is hard. They are two sides of the exact same coin. Also, you must not have progressed very far into the veteran content.... Molag Bal is the penultimate boss of the game prior to veteran stuff, done at VR1 and launches you straight and immediately into it. He is not a part of the "leveling".-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Putok✭✭✭They've already nerfed many of the solo bosses into the ground to the point that a 5 year old could faceroll them because of whining. The last boss of a game should be hard.8
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GreatPlayer✭✭✭Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
If thats true then so be it! I think everyone should be able to level their character to the MAX! It is the endgame that should be super hard! NOT LEVELING! that just bad game design!
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GreatPlayer✭✭✭mudvayne7950_ESO wrote: »Not sure if spoilers are allowed or not...but you may have just spoiled alot of players main quest line who are not yet up to that point and have no idea that molag bal is the last boss before vet content.
sorry!
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✭✭✭The titlemudvayne7950_ESO wrote: »Not sure if spoilers are allowed or not...but you may have just spoiled alot of players main quest line who are not yet up to that point and have no idea that molag bal is the last boss before vet content.
The title probably should have been your first hint that it would be spoiler-laden, since the whole story revolves around recovering your soul from this guy named Molag Bal, a major Daedric Prince in the game's story. I do apologize if you honestly got spoiled by my reply here, though...
. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 13, 2014 4:58AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭If they nerfed Molag Bal anymore than they already have they might as well just hand you a skill point and a couple thousand exp upon taking the quest and immediately wrap it up.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group10 -
GTaichou✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
If thats true then so be it! I think everyone should be able to level their character to the MAX! It is the endgame that should be super hard! NOT LEVELING! that just bad game design!
Darksouls is crazy hard, and still really popular. I'm with Atto on this - this game does not need to be easier.~思いにふける物~
Co-GM of The Psijic Order - Mara's Moxie
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
If thats true then so be it! I think everyone should be able to level their character to the MAX! It is the endgame that should be super hard! NOT LEVELING! that just bad game design!
He is the beginning of endgame. And no, not everyone should be the super-powerful awesome winner in a competitive videogame. Just like any other game ever made, you learn it, you get better at it, and you continue playing it!-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.3 -
I came into this thread thinking it was a joke, Molag Baal was one of the easiest bosses I fought. Mannimarco was by far the hardest boss and still not hard enough to call for a nerf.4
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Jitaki✭✭I remember a time when people were happy to work at something to gain skill.
Don't nerf anything.
Stop sucking. That is all.10 -
SchizoidMetal✭✭✭LOL @ Bal being hard! dude that fight was a joke.. utter joke.. all this hype about a daedric prince and he is beat in 2-3 mins without even breaking a sweat. you whining little kiddies who cant think past your own eyeballs need to learn some tactics or something..5 -
Muzzh✭maybe try not to go and fight the last boss with 800 hp and 400 armor and no resist next time ?
That guy is easier than plenty of bosses of quests.
If you expected to just stand and dps the guy in 20 sec, well luckily that won't work ....6 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »
Handicaps are just that: handicaps. I truly sympathize if a physical disability prevents someone from being able to beat a boss in a videogame they otherwise enjoy, but that's no reason to make it even easier when it's already nearly trivial for the vast majority of players.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.5 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »GreatPlayer wrote: »Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
If thats true then so be it! I think everyone should be able to level their character to the MAX! It is the endgame that should be super hard! NOT LEVELING! that just bad game design!
He is the beginning of endgame. And no, not everyone should be the super-powerful awesome winner in a competitive videogame. Just like any other game ever made, you learn it, you get better at it, and you continue playing it!
see you dont get my point! my point is molag baal is a leveling boss! and why would you block people from seeing veteran content with a super hard boss? I just dont get that!4 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »Well if they nerf him then people who complained will move to vet content without learning how to play smarter. How long before they want the vet content nerfed?
If thats true then so be it! I think everyone should be able to level their character to the MAX! It is the endgame that should be super hard! NOT LEVELING! that just bad game design!
Darksouls is crazy hard, and still really popular. I'm with Atto on this - this game does not need to be easier.
Darksoul is boring as hell, I hate games with no story and its a single player game! NO THX!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 13, 2014 5:01AM1 -
AlchemyDevil✭✭✭I think the difficulty of that fight was fine, if you are having a problem or had problems then my suggestion would be your build was not set up right for that particular fight. If they nerf these things then this game will follow in the footsteps of others that conformed to the unskilled/casual masses and become a child's game. I for one appreciate the challenges that this game poses and continues to get more and more difficult as I progress further into the content.
At last a game that makes you feel like you have accomplished something after a glorious battle instead of merely mashing buttons until the mob is dead. Please don't nerf this game.4 -
Bad game design is listening to vocal minorities of players who can't complete mediocre (at best) difficulty level bosses, thus ruining the challenge for the majority of players who like to feel accomplished in their feats.
See: GW2
See; WoW
See: Any other MMO that caters to the lowest common denominator.
Want to retain a player base? Keep the content difficult.
You kids, seriously, play some games from the 90s. The amount of frustration, man! Those were the days. Imagine those same games had there been an open forum and nerfs. Boring.6
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