So these Motif's....

Maestro_Sartori

I'm seeing people spam selling these things all the time. I've yet to even find one of these let alone know what they are?

Thanks

Worstluck

They allow you to craft the other race's armor and weapons. You can usually find them in cabinets, dressers, nightstands and the like.

Crumpy

They are lore books I think

So people wanna "catch em all"

nerevarine1138

Crumpy wrote: »

They are lore books I think

So people wanna "catch em all"

They aren't lore books. As mentioned above, they allow crafters to craft weapons and armor in that racial style.

Crumpy

Ah thank you I thought they just help complete people's lore 'lists'

BlackSparrow

You find them by checking wardrobes, chests, desks, trunks, etc. I've found five so far across my characters. It just takes diligence to find them, and the difference is entirely cosmetic. Not worth a buy, but a treat when you find them.

MaxBat

Maybe I'm lucky but I keep finding them, mostly in Audiron. I wouldn't buy them and in fact don't sell my extras.

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO

People farm them. While i don't think its against the game terms, personally i find it sorta "cheap" but that's an opinion. Park your alts in a building with a lot of dressers/chests/desk and search, relog, search, relog, search...etc.

Every time you relog they all reset. I'd like it personally if they just set each chest to an account based timer, so no alt or relogging with cause a reset for a set time period. Something like that for bosses too to avoid camping those if possible.

MaxBat

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO wrote: »

People farm them.

In my experience, this doesn't even really work. There seems to be a strange randomness to them so that the more you look, the less you find.

I tried farming a little bit in early access because I wanted a Redguard motif. I would run my three or four characters through a couple of buildings (banks mostly) when I logged on at night. But lately I'm finding most of my mine by just playing the game and checking every container. Or checking the containers when you make your eight or ninth trip to the bank during a play session.

You want to check backpacks, nightstands, desks and trunks, in particular. And you want to check them, not just for motifs, but for crafting supplies. Right now, that's mostly what I'm looking for.

Melian

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO wrote: »

People farm them. While i don't think its against the game terms, personally i find it sorta "cheap" but that's an opinion. Park your alts in a building with a lot of dressers/chests/desk and search, relog, search, relog, search...etc.

Every time you relog they all reset. I'd like it personally if they just set each chest to an account based timer, so no alt or relogging with cause a reset for a set time period. Something like that for bosses too to avoid camping those if possible.

As long as they aren't botting, I say if they can stand the boredom, more power to 'em. I just check all the dressers in every building I enter, and I've found six of them so far.

Eris

I actually wander around Daggerfall sometimes just opening desks and nightstands and such, sometimes I pull a motif.

Alyrn_Grey

They are rare blue drops that are books that teach you about that culture. When you read it you learn to craft in the style of that culture.

They are a moderately rare drop found by rummaging everywhere. I found 2 in the last room of the quest you go back to fetch Lyris in. Another in nightstand in an inn. And none since. ::shrug::

Paks_ESO

I'm kind of a container-search-a-holic. I wouldn't say I farm anything specific, but I can't seem to pass a full container without opening it.

RustyBlades

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

They are lore books I think

So people wanna "catch em all"

They aren't lore books. As mentioned above, they allow crafters to craft weapons and armor in that racial style.

They are lore books of sort, just of a different sort. They do contain lore on the racial motif they represent. Sadly, they don't show up in the lore book section of the character info...

To be honest, I only collect them because certain races have certain styles I want... and I get most of mine via random bookshelf drops. Furniture drops come in a distant second. Just make sure you have inventory space for a lore book as there is no warning when you get one and don't have any space left.

Rosebloome

Wouldn't the best place to farm them would be to park a level 1 alt in coldharbour and keep opening the bazillion trunks in that place? Manage to get a bunch? No problem leave coldharbour to town, send them to main. delete alt, and start a new one?

Rosebloome

RustyBlades wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

They are lore books I think

So people wanna "catch em all"

They aren't lore books. As mentioned above, they allow crafters to craft weapons and armor in that racial style.

They are lore books of sort, just of a different sort. They do contain lore on the racial motif they represent. Sadly, they don't show up in the lore book section of the character info...

To be honest, I only collect them because certain races have certain styles I want... and I get most of mine via random bookshelf drops. Furniture drops come in a distant second. Just make sure you have inventory space for a lore book as there is no warning when you get one and don't have any space left.

Bookshelves? o.o You can get them out of bookshelves? I've never, ever gotten one out of a bookshelf and I'm VR1.

k9mouse

Rosebloome wrote: »

Wouldn't the best place to farm them would be to park a level 1 alt in coldharbour and keep opening the bazillion trunks in that place? Manage to get a bunch? No problem leave coldharbour to town, send them to main. delete alt, and start a new one?

That does not work for three reasons:

1) Max level for that Zone or Area is level 4
2) Once a player hit max level for that zone or area, the monsters do not drop anymore loot
3) You have limited inv space before one have to exit that area to see / trade off that loot.
Also, the loot is mostly junk and stuff one can find in the "real" world anyways. Only one or two of items are even worth that besides one can those same items elsewhere in the game anyways. Really there is no point doing that.

loops73

I sell them for 1000g each,i don't need to craft the same sword in 7 different styles when it will still have the same stats. ill make gold off the fools who do.

Thesiren

Do Imperial motif books actually drop too? I have the Imperial Edition, but only one of my three crafters is Imperial. Hey, don't look at me like that-- I didn't want every character to be of the same race!

poodlemasterb16_ESO

LootDrop is your friend. A great add on that you use with auto loot. It displays what you just grabbed in a little window bottom right. It also displays XP as you earn it. Recommended.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info35-LootDrop.html

MaxBat

Thesiren wrote: »

Do Imperial motif books actually drop too? I have the Imperial Edition, but only one of my three crafters is Imperial. Hey, don't look at me like that-- I didn't want every character to be of the same race!

I have IE and I've never seen an Imperial motiff. I hear rumors of them, but I've not seen them. Maybe in Cyrodiil?

I also have never found one in a bookshelf.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Thesiren wrote: »

Do Imperial motif books actually drop too? I have the Imperial Edition, but only one of my three crafters is Imperial. Hey, don't look at me like that-- I didn't want every character to be of the same race!

Right click on any armor or weapon and it will give any of your chars the option to make it into an Imperial piece. That's an Imperial edition feature.

Seraseth

Yeah, I've only ever gotten motifs from trunks, backpacks and larger furniture like dressers, nightstands, desks, etc. Never from crate,sack,barrel(only ever provis from those) and never anything other than reading a book from a bookshelf.

nudel

Racial Motifs do not drop from bookshelves. Bookshelves are not loot containers at all. Instead they cycle through a selection of lore pamphlets, none of which can be looted. They can only be read.

You could farm them in a city. But as others have said and I've encountered, there seem to be some sort of anti-farming mechanic where containers are concerned. It'd take a lot of farming, but over time if you don't leave an area and just keep reloading, more and more of those containers will appear 'Empty' to you. This does not mean someone got to the loot before you. All loot is instanced. This means that you've looted everything in there too many times over a short period and the RNG is curbing your addiction.

Farming for motifs in the Wailing Prison tutorial used to be a worthwhile strategy...several betas ago. Their drop rate in that tutorial was lowered almost to the point of nonexistance precisely to curb exploitation of the tutorial. Since that change, I haven't found a single Motif in the tutorial. Not one.

Seraseth

nudel wrote: »

Their drop rate in that tutorial was lowered almost to the point of nonexistance precisely to curb exploitation of the tutorial. Since that change, I haven't found a single Motif in the tutorial. Not one.

I believe they actually changed what tier of drops could be found in coldharbor, no blues which means no books, and I think no greens either(so no recipes), only whites.

Alyrn_Grey

Rosebloome wrote: »

Wouldn't the best place to farm them would be to park a level 1 alt in coldharbour and keep opening the bazillion trunks in that place? Manage to get a bunch? No problem leave coldharbour to town, send them to main. delete alt, and start a new one?

No the starting coldharbour isn't high enough level.

Thesiren

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Thesiren wrote: »

Do Imperial motif books actually drop too? I have the Imperial Edition, but only one of my three crafters is Imperial. Hey, don't look at me like that-- I didn't want every character to be of the same race!

Right click on any armor or weapon and it will give any of your chars the option to make it into an Imperial piece. That's an Imperial edition feature.

Oh wow, I didn't know that, thanks!

Woogawoman

Yes, but doing so will bind the item to your account. You can't craft Imperial items that way for others. So folks are still wondering if lore books exist, so that anyone can eventually craft that style for trading, or if it will always only be Imperial crafters doing so.

nudel

Imperial racial motifs exist. They are slightly more rare than the first 9. There are also unplayable motifs. Those are much more rare.

krees28b14_ESO

I believe it was during one of the segments, prior to launch but during beta, where they were talking about crafting they exclaimed that there are 15 racial motifs in the game. The motifs allow you to craft gear in that racial style. Yes, there is an imperial motif but it is more rare than the original nine race motifs. The four known others are found in the veteran areas and they are Daedra, Ancient Elf, Barbaric and Primal. The last one, number 15, has yet to be seen, at least that I know of. So that leads me to believe that either no one has found it yet or that ZOS mis-quoted the number of motifs in game currently.

RustyBlades

Sorry, but bookshelves have nearly been the only place I've gotten motifs from. Rarely do I get them from containers. After making a trip through the mage's guild's library after doing a quest I usually find at least one every 2-3 trips.