New way of gold spamming

Woenprom

You cant report such thing (at least I havent found how to report players without getting them in melee range).

richard_michael31b16_ESO

I have at least 10 guild invites a day exactly like this, but until they fix auto ban on reporting to many people I will not report, only ignore.

Sharee

Woenprom wrote: »

You cant report such thing (at least I havent found how to report players without getting them in melee range).

Good news, you can report them!

Do not click either F or X. Open your notifications. The invite is listed there. To the right, there is an 'ok' sign (to accept) and an 'X' sign (to refuse). If you click the X sign, a dropdown menu appears with three options: "Refuse","Ignore", and "Report". Clicking report moves you to the usual report player interface.

ZOS_TristanK

Hey, @Woenprom. If you have the name of the guild/player you'd like to report, you can do so by submitting a ticket with the /help command and selecting the "Report Player" option. Thank you!

starkerealm

richard_michael31b16_ESO wrote: »

I have at least 10 guild invites a day exactly like this, but until they fix auto ban on reporting to many people I will not report, only ignore.

I... wait, they what!?

Lox

richard_michael31b16_ESO wrote: »

I have at least 10 guild invites a day exactly like this, but until they fix auto ban on reporting to many people I will not report, only ignore.

Have to agree with starkerealms response to this.

What on earth are you on about?

Sharee

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

Lox

Sharee wrote: »

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

That is never a good idea, automatic bans are too easily abused. If you set the threshold low enough to ensure a rapid response you also open the doors for groups of people to get people banned when they haven't actually done anything, if you set it too high it isn't effective and therefore almost useless.

All bans should be reviewed by a human being, it should never be done automatically.

Anyone who doesn't report spammers are, each in their own small way, contributing to the problem. Every player should be reporting every spam they receive and see, only that way are a large number of reports generated which in turn makes the devs jobs much easier. If people don't report then the actual magnitude of the problem and the communities perception of it is never truly addressed to the devs.

Hatfield_Rainmaker

Lox wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

Anyone who doesn't report spammers are, each in their own small way, contributing to the problem. Every player should be reporting every spam they receive and see, only that way are a large number of reports generated which in turn makes the devs jobs much easier. If people don't report then the actual magnitude of the problem and the communities perception of it is never truly addressed to the devs.

I agree everyone should report first, then ignore... but please go ahead and add "report gold seller" to the rt-click choices so we can just select it and move on without having to fill out the form. After you do about 20 forms it is tempting to just start ignoring so you can spend more time playing the game and less time trying to fix it.

Flayedalive

All that would be required to get fast bans through would be for a CSR to be in each city/zone and they could see the multitudes of gold seller spam in action. If that isn't good enough to make it an insta-ban I don't know what is.

Hilandra

Sharee wrote: »

Woenprom wrote: »

You cant report such thing (at least I havent found how to report players without getting them in melee range).

Good news, you can report them!

Do not click either F or X. Open your notifications. The invite is listed there. To the right, there is an 'ok' sign (to accept) and an 'X' sign (to refuse). If you click the X sign, a dropdown menu appears with three options: "Refuse","Ignore", and "Report". Clicking report moves you to the usual report player interface.

+1 Didn't know that, thanks for the tip!

starkerealm

Sharee wrote: »

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

Actually, I have to agree with @Lox here. I've actually seen an auto-silence system in a game, and it was a mess. Star Trek Online will automatically silence a player if a sufficient number of players ignore them... which leads to some fleets (guilds) mass ignoring people they disagree with, or just want to troll.

I think there was an actual banning system tied to the report spam option in STO at one time, and again, you had people who would report spam at the slightest provocation, just because they knew it could get the person banned.

Some of this was over reported, or at the expense of some genuinely annoying users, but you can't trust players not to abuse a system like that.

MasterSpatula

I admire these guys' inventiveness. I mean, sure, I want to beat them to a pulp, but I admire their inventiveness.

starkerealm

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I admire these guys' inventiveness. I mean, sure, I want to beat them to a pulp, but I admire their inventiveness.

WoW had spammers roll up new characters on separate accounts, put them in position, and suicided them to spell out the web address, this isn't nearly that inventive.

Lox

Hatfield_Rainmaker wrote: »

Lox wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

Anyone who doesn't report spammers are, each in their own small way, contributing to the problem. Every player should be reporting every spam they receive and see, only that way are a large number of reports generated which in turn makes the devs jobs much easier. If people don't report then the actual magnitude of the problem and the communities perception of it is never truly addressed to the devs.

I agree everyone should report first, then ignore... but please go ahead and add "report gold seller" to the rt-click choices so we can just select it and move on without having to fill out the form. After you do about 20 forms it is tempting to just start ignoring so you can spend more time playing the game and less time trying to fix it.

Agreed, it could be a quicker process. I must admit, the 5-7 seconds it (well, thats roughly how long it takes me) takes to report one (and I report every single one I see) is marginally disrupting, but it really isn't that big of a deal.

Woenprom

Sharee wrote: »

Good news, you can report them!

Do not click either F or X. Open your notifications. The invite is listed there. To the right, there is an 'ok' sign (to accept) and an 'X' sign (to refuse). If you click the X sign, a dropdown menu appears with three options: "Refuse","Ignore", and "Report". Clicking report moves you to the usual report player interface.

Nice, will try it next time.

Hatfield_Rainmaker

This just started happening to me and picked up pace quickly. The reporting mechanism is too convoluted at this point. I've reported about 40 today, but it is getting old quick.

Can we get a rt-click option to report/ignore the gold spammers please???

Phyrdrin

This is happening to me fairly frequently as well. It's incredibly annoying

Elsonso

Hatfield_Rainmaker wrote: »

This just started happening to me and picked up pace quickly. The reporting mechanism is too convoluted at this point. I've reported about 40 today, but it is getting old quick.

Can we get a rt-click option to report/ignore the gold spammers please???

I've said this to others before. You should not consider it your calling to report these things, especially if this has the potential to stress you out. It is not your burden alone. There are others in the game that will report them, too.

Report when you feel like it, but don't feel like it is something you must do.

Phyrdrin

lordrichter wrote: »

Hatfield_Rainmaker wrote: »

This just started happening to me and picked up pace quickly. The reporting mechanism is too convoluted at this point. I've reported about 40 today, but it is getting old quick.

Can we get a rt-click option to report/ignore the gold spammers please???

I've said this to others before. You should not consider it your calling to report these things, especially if this has the potential to stress you out. It is not your burden alone. There are others in the game that will report them, too.

Report when you feel like it, but don't feel like it is something you must do.

It's not so much stressful as it is a feeling that nothing will happen even if you do report the spammer. I sometimes wonder if my reports are read or if they made a difference :S

Hatfield_Rainmaker

lordrichter wrote: »

I've said this to others before. You should not consider it your calling to report these things, especially if this has the potential to stress you out. It is not your burden alone. There are others in the game that will report them, too.

Report when you feel like it, but don't feel like it is something you must do.

That's a given, report when/if one feels like it. It isn't being stressed so much as there is a much, much quicker way to report gold spammers than having to do a form with multiple clicks and pull downs each and every time.

Don't you think the majority of player reports at this time are for gold spammers? Then why not make it a default report/ignore selection that can be done in one fell swoop with no forms?

Snapdragyn

Hatfield_Rainmaker wrote: »

Lox wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

He means spammers should get automatically banned when many players report them within a short period of time.

Anyone who doesn't report spammers are, each in their own small way, contributing to the problem. Every player should be reporting every spam they receive and see, only that way are a large number of reports generated which in turn makes the devs jobs much easier. If people don't report then the actual magnitude of the problem and the communities perception of it is never truly addressed to the devs.

I agree everyone should report first, then ignore... but please go ahead and add "report gold seller" to the rt-click choices so we can just select it and move on without having to fill out the form. After you do about 20 forms it is tempting to just start ignoring so you can spend more time playing the game and less time trying to fix it.

20? Um, yeah, I got through 3 - then I said 'forget this, if they aren't serious enough about the issue to code an efficient way of doing it, I'm not going to waste MY time fixing THEIR programming issue'.

Haven't filed another report since.

Elsonso

Hatfield_Rainmaker wrote: »

Don't you think the majority of player reports at this time are for gold spammers? Then why not make it a default report/ignore selection that can be done in one fell swoop with no forms?

Bluntly?

If it gets too easy to report gold spammers, the feature would be abused, intentionally or accidentally. Support would be flooded by false reports. When support is flooded by player reports, the CSRs start banning people just to make the reports go away. When CSRs start banning people just to make the reports to away, you get banned for laughing at someone in chat. When you get banned for laughing at someone in chat, you start writing reports to Support demanding to be unbanned. When you write reports to Support to get unbanned, you find out you are ignored because they are spending too much time processing false player reports. You don't want to be ignored by Support if you get banned, so stop requesting easier player reports.

BeeK

All they have to do is log in to the game and in less than 5 minutes they will realize the gold selling spam invasion is out of control. Active GM's in game to ban hammer these gold selling exploiters would be a significant start.

Hatfield_Rainmaker

lordrichter wrote: »

Bluntly?

If it gets too easy to report gold spammers, the feature would be abused, intentionally or accidentally. Support would be flooded by false reports. When support is flooded by player reports, the CSRs start banning people just to make the reports go away. When CSRs start banning people just to make the reports to away, you get banned for laughing at someone in chat. When you get banned for laughing at someone in chat, you start writing reports to Support demanding to be unbanned. When you write reports to Support to get unbanned, you find out you are ignored because they are spending too much time processing false player reports. You don't want to be ignored by Support if you get banned, so stop requesting easier player reports.

A little wordy to be blunt. And I respectfully disagree.

I'm not requesting an automatic ban when x number of reports is reached... which does become problematic in the way you describe. Just a quicker way for the reporter to do the same thing already being done. With no autoban, what is the harm? Again, what probably makes up the majority of reports at this time?

I think the alternative and what you may be suggesting is for no one to report them, accept it as part of the game, and just ignore. Which is fine too, but if that is the policy the vendor desires and how they want it addressed, I think they should just state that.

Tarelyn

BeeK wrote: »

All they have to do is log in to the game and in less than 5 minutes they will realize the gold selling spam invasion is out of control. Active GM's in game to ban hammer these gold selling exploiters would be a significant start.

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Elsonso

BeeK wrote: »

All they have to do is log in to the game and in less than 5 minutes they will realize the gold selling spam invasion is out of control. Active GM's in game to ban hammer these gold selling exploiters would be a significant start.

People seem to assume that Zenimax has no players active in the game world itself, and I am wondering why anyone would assume that.

Furthermore, I have to wonder why anyone would assume that they are unaware that the "gold selling spam invasion is out of control". For that matter, is it? I have been in the game for hours this evening. No gold seller mail. No gold seller guild invites. I do not watch Zone, but just scanned back to the top and did not see any Zone chat from gold sellers. Maybe they don't hang out in the Pact zone.

Gierolf_Whitecoatb16_ESO

there should be an active "gm" in the level 1 zones at all times. or reporting a player too many times for "gold spam" should give the account a temporary 5 day ban, if for gold spamming the account can be locked out for 5 days with alloances to return upon contacting customer support for hacked accounts. watch how fast the gold farmers dissipear.

LimeFox

I rarely see goldspammers in chat anymore, and haven't see any weird guilds, but I do get a TON of spam from them.

I sort of liked FF14's solution to gold spamming mail - you can't send someone a piece of mail unless they're on your friend list. Admittedly though, since they have a market board, it actually works - I haven't gotten a single spam gold email. (Mind you, they still have at least 7-8 people a day I need to blacklist to keep from seeing gold spam take over my chatbox, so nothing's perfect.) Here, it would just be a nightmare - I can see a lot of people not wanting to add players to a friend list JUST so they can send them the 20 Leathers they're trying to hawk on Zone Chat.

Off topic, I kinda hope a market board of some kind is added. Right now there are crafting mats I'd LOVE to drop money on, and because I won't spam Zone chat and none of my three Guild stores or banks have it, I'm out of luck. It just feels weird.

blacktoade

Perhaps the developers should implement an autosilence system in the chat, so that if someone types x amount of the same message in y amount of time, they are automatically banned for z minutes or hours; it doesn't have to be a permanent ban, per se, that would at the GM's discretion. For example, a spammer from CrappyGold decides to start spamming the chat; the autosilence is set at 5 of the same message in 15 seconds (which, of course, is not publicized); so CrappyGold Spammer spews his putrescence into the Zone Chat, and hits the trigger; the autosilence kicks in, and he is banned for, say, 12 hours. Now let's say that an Argonian player Passes-Much-Gas wants to sell his Silken Undergarments of Noxious Odor Release. He cuts and pastes the same message over and over again, like some annoying people do, and is also autosilenced. We don't have to hear about his fartypants, and our sanity is saved for the time being.

Gentlemanzack

solution? get 5 guild and they cant spam u