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Lore-breaking crafting? D:
PHGDAL
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Hey everyone, I'm fascinated by mer in general (love the Falmer the most but since they can't be played I always play my 2nd favourite which are the Bosmer).
Here's a problem I've found so far that bothers me:
In crafting a bow (which as a Bosmer I simply HAVE to do), I need to cut up wood!
That violates the Green Pact!! Put simply, I am unable to craft the weapon I love due to the current game mechanics
Did the designers of the system not think this through or something? I know the style of the Bosmer is using bone (which is correct), but it still needs maple wood or something which is problematic. Is there a lore-friendly way to permit my bow-crafting?? Thank you in advance ^.^
Here's a problem I've found so far that bothers me:
In crafting a bow (which as a Bosmer I simply HAVE to do), I need to cut up wood!
That violates the Green Pact!! Put simply, I am unable to craft the weapon I love due to the current game mechanics
Did the designers of the system not think this through or something? I know the style of the Bosmer is using bone (which is correct), but it still needs maple wood or something which is problematic. Is there a lore-friendly way to permit my bow-crafting?? Thank you in advance ^.^ 3
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ijRoberts✭✭✭Is it against the lore to cut up already fallen wood? You aren't cutting down live trees, but are picking up wood off the ground.3
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Kemono✭✭✭Do you even played the game? And do you even know lore?
Cos i dont think so
Please, PLEASE tell me where exactly you violate Green Pact when you carft your bow?Green Pact
The known conditions of the Green Pact are as follows:
Only meat-based products can be consumed.
Prohibits the use of wood or other vegetable derivatives as building materials.
Forbidden to harm trees and plant life for their own betterment.
Forbidden to smoke anything of a vegetable nature.
Part of the Green Pact is the Meat Mandate that dictates that a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three days pass.
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also Green Pact are in efect only for Valenwood plants
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Green_PactBosmer are also dependent on either stone or imported timber for construction purposes
Edited by Kemono on April 9, 2014 10:06PM0 -
PHGDAL✭✭Do you even played the game? And do you even know lore?
Cos i dont think so
Please, PLEASE tell me how exactly you violate Green Pact when you craft your bow (or anything by Woodworking)?Green Pact
The known conditions of the Green Pact are as follows:
Only meat-based products can be consumed.
Prohibits the use of wood or other vegetable derivatives as building materials.
Forbidden to harm trees and plant life for their own betterment.
Forbidden to smoke anything of a vegetable nature.
Part of the Green Pact is the Meat Mandate that dictates that a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three days pass.
Errr this part?Prohibits the use of wood or other vegetable derivatives as building materials.
Am I not violating it by using wood and cutting it up to make a bow??
Not to mention that this is what I find in the Elder Scrolls Wiki page on the Green Pact:The Bosmer have developed methods of fermenting meat and milk to develop powerful alcoholic beverages, and their weapons such as bows are often made of treated and shaped bones.Edited by PHGDAL on April 9, 2014 10:05PM0 -
At a guess I would say the one that "Prohibits the use of WOOD or other vegetable derivatives as BUILDING materials." That, right there seems to say you can not craft anything with wood.Edited by Stienbjorn on April 9, 2014 10:05PM0
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭
Technically, they are only forbidden to cut up wood from their own forest. The lore says foreign wood doesn't count. You can import it and not violate the pact. Or travel to other zones.Hey everyone, I'm fascinated by mer in general (love the Falmer the most but since they can't be played I always play my 2nd favourite which are the Bosmer).
Here's a problem I've found so far that bothers me:
In crafting a bow (which as a Bosmer I simply HAVE to do), I need to cut up wood!
That violates the Green Pact!! Put simply, I am unable to craft the weapon I love due to the current game mechanics Did the designers of the system not think this through or something? I know the style of the Bosmer is using bone (which is correct), but it still needs maple wood or something which is problematic. Is there a lore-friendly way to permit my bow-crafting?? Thank you in advance ^.^
(But I do think the Pact forbids using even dead wood doesn't it?)
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Kemono✭✭✭I make some (minor) edits to my first reply
Building -no this not means you cannot craft with wood -this means you cannot BUILD (like you know -a house)
And they STILL build with wood -imported from other provinces
Btw -you dont break a Pact, cos you only "cut" wood from fallen branches (so no harm to any plant life).0 -
PHGDAL✭✭I make some (minor) edits to my first reply
Building -no this not means you cannot craft with wood -this means you cannot BUILD (like you know -a house)
And they STILL build with wood -imported from other provinces
Btw -you dont break a Pact, cos you only "cut" wood from fallen branches (so no harm to any plant life).
That's still wrong. Here's a direct quote from The Pocket Guide to the Empire 3rd Edition (in-game book):"Though they are excellent archers, the Green Pact forces their bowyers and fletchers to use bone or similar materials, or to buy bows and arrows from other cultures. The use of woodcrafts created by another race is not forbidden, nor is the sale of their own Valenwood timber as long as it is collected by a non-Bosmeri."
I want to make my own bow, but it seems that I cannot do that without violating the pact because it uses wood (even if it is not from Valenwood, it is still insulting to the Bosmeri religion).0 -
So you want them to come up with a specific alternate crafting skill, for one race only. Umm it will never happen. It's not there for the company to do so from a cost benefit analysis. If you have to have a reason, just say you lost your soul and don't care anymore. Boom Problem solved.1
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ijRoberts✭✭✭I think what they're saying is that the Bosmer bow should be made of bone, and not wood.0
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PHGDAL✭✭jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »So you want them to come up with a specific alternate crafting skill, for one race only. Umm it will never happen. It's not there for the company to do so from a cost benefit analysis. If you have to have a reason, just say you lost your soul and don't care anymore. Boom Problem solved.
Haha I know they wouldn't fix it for one race in particular, but I was hoping for a better reason? Something that allows me to do it without saying "eff it".
Yes that is what I'm saying. Though the Bosmer style requires bone in the game, the major material is still maple wood. I was simply looking for a lore-friendly reason to permit me to craft it anyway.I think what they're saying is that the Bosmer bow should be made of bone, and not wood.
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Right and that would require specific drops just for bosmer, a seperate crafting system just for bosmer, and balancing that system versus the rest of the crafting. Combine that with the fact that I'm going to guess that less than 1% of the population won't care, and you can see that this is a situation where the op will just have to come up with some RP immersion system in his head. This is not a single player game where they can do things like this and not imbalance the game without investing lots and lots of constant dev time into it, which means constant amounts of money.I think what they're saying is that the Bosmer bow should be made of bone, and not wood.
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭
Where did you get that?I want to make my own bow, but it seems that I cannot do that without violating the pact because it uses wood (even if it is not from Valenwood, it is still insulting to the Bosmeri religion).
It is only wood of their own Forest that is forbidden.The Green Pact, also known as the Treaty of Frond and Leaf, is a strict code upheld by the Bosmer of Valenwood, which prohibits the use of any wood or vegetable matter of Valenwood as building materials
... As a result, the Bosmer use bone, animal, and insect products widely; imported wood is used when necessary.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Green_Pact
Go to another zone. Buy a ton of wood. Return to your own zone. Rinse and repeat.My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience0 -
PHGDAL✭✭
her*jdkorreckpreub18_ESO wrote: »op will just have to come up with some RP immersion system in his head.
And to clarify, I really just want a lore-friendly reason to permit me to craft it! Not asking for a change in the system!
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭
Well you have it. Foreign wood is permissible. Go buy it in another zone, and craft away. Your conscience is clean.And to clarify, I really just want a lore-friendly reason to permit me to craft it!
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PHGDAL✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »
From the UESPWiki:
Thought not technically felling, isn't manipulating wood the same?Additionally, the Green Pact made the felling of trees by anyone, foreign or native, a crime against the Bosmeri religion.
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Raash✭✭✭✭Wouldnt the easiest way around this be not to craft any bows? I mean, there are other crafters out there after all?Edited by Raash on April 9, 2014 10:37PM0
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭
Do you want to follow lore or not?Thought not technically felling, isn't manipulating wood the same?
Lore says imported wood is ok. Even with your semantic nit picking, no wood is harvested from live trees in this game. No trees were felled by anyone.
The lore is very clear in stating the Bosmer DO use wood. So obviously they have no problems "manipulating" it.
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PHGDAL✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »The lore is very clear in stating the Bosmer DO use wood. So obviously they have no problems "manipulating" it.
I suppose you're right. Beats the not crafting bows answer by miles anyway. I'll just mow down Altmeri forests muahaha. Thank you! ^.^
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Using the Bosmer racial craft ONLY for your bows would keep you within the pact.0
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Kemono✭✭✭
This still works ONLY in Valenwood AND you are colecting fnaturally fallen wood, not cut down trees.
From the UESPWiki:Additionally, the Green Pact made the felling of trees by anyone, foreign or native, a crime against the Bosmeri religion.
Btw -remember that if you EVER use a light armor, OR any potion, OR any provisioning food not based on animal product only (meat/eggs) -and i dont hink even one exist in game, you are breaking the Green Pact.
And dont forget to canibalize all your foes!
Edited by Kemono on April 9, 2014 10:42PM1 -
Mishoniko✭✭✭The Woodcrafting vendor in Marbruk specifically states that she uses only imported wood to avoid violating the Green Pact and showing disrepect to their Bosmer hosts. I didn't detect any winking or other subtle body language on the vendor when she says this.
The Woodcrafting vendor in Elder Root also warns you to keep your head up as occasionally wildcat protests occur near the woodcrafting area.
Some NPCs/quests also reference that, technically, the Green Pact only applies to Bosmer, so the forest would not react to an outsider violating it casually/accidentally, though native Bosmer can (and do) think otherwise. (Apparently Khajiit eating the flowers is a problem.)
Finally, for your amusement, this book:
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PHGDAL✭✭Btw -remember that if you EVER use a light armor, OR any potion, OR any provisioning food not based on meat only -you are breaking the Green Pact.
And dont forget to canibalize all your foes!
Medium armour is the way to go! And obviously, nomnomnom away at those nasty heritance folk!
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭And dont forget to canibalize all your foes!
Only way to do this in-game is to become a Werewolf.My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience1 -
Kemono✭✭✭
Please @SadisticSavior, teach us how to canibalize all our foes!SadisticSavior wrote: »
(cos we want to be lore friendly)
Oh wait im a Khajit, not a Bosmer(nomnoming on Valenvood flowers )
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You're a cat. If my house cats are any indication if you can fit it in your mouth you'll eat it.
Please @SadisticSavior, teach us how to canibalize all our foes!SadisticSavior wrote: »
(cos we want to be lore friendly)
Oh wait im a Khajit, not a Bosmer(nomnoming on Valenvood flowers )
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Phranq✭✭✭I have to say .. this thread totally made my day.. I was in a terrible mood, but you had me laughing out loud most of all because you are right ! The only suggestions I can really make are to wear medium or heavy armor, and mine lots of ore to trade for "Altmer or Khajit" sanded maple to make your bow from1
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circilion✭✭✭Hey everyone, I'm fascinated by mer in general (love the Falmer the most but since they can't be played I always play my 2nd favourite which are the Bosmer).
Here's a problem I've found so far that bothers me:
In crafting a bow (which as a Bosmer I simply HAVE to do), I need to cut up wood!
That violates the Green Pact!! Put simply, I am unable to craft the weapon I love due to the current game mechanics Did the designers of the system not think this through or something? I know the style of the Bosmer is using bone (which is correct), but it still needs maple wood or something which is problematic. Is there a lore-friendly way to permit my bow-crafting?? Thank you in advance ^.^
Holy Crap!
Does ESO have a RP medal for most committed RP'r ? cause this guy needs one.
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