The Elder Scrolls without cloak
Altheina
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I've been playing TESO for a few days now and have crafted many medium armor and stuff and suddenly I realise something is missing... I have not seen any cloaks yet!
To those who say that it's not important to have cloak, well I can say that cloak is integral to the Elder Scrolls series. Even TESO trailer shows the heroes wearing cloak but it's absent in game
So what do you think guys, should ZOS add cloak into TESO?
To those who say that it's not important to have cloak, well I can say that cloak is integral to the Elder Scrolls series. Even TESO trailer shows the heroes wearing cloak but it's absent in game
So what do you think guys, should ZOS add cloak into TESO?
Altheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
TESO Fun-fact 1: It takes to kill 119,050 mudcrabs to reach level 50
TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
TESO Fun-fact 3: There are 40,656,000 different weapon variations in the game
TESO Fun-fact 1: It takes to kill 119,050 mudcrabs to reach level 50
TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
TESO Fun-fact 3: There are 40,656,000 different weapon variations in the game
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Altheina✭✭✭They learned from Edna.
NO CAPES.
LOL! This game should then titled 'The Incredibles Scroll Online'
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TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
TESO Fun-fact 3: There are 40,656,000 different weapon variations in the game1 -
Melian✭✭✭✭Pretty much all NPCs in Arena wear cloaks, but players can't iirc. I don't remember having one in Daggerfall or Oblivion, either, and I had to use a mod to have one in Skyrim. I guess cloaks for players is just not Elder Scrolls.2 -
Murra✭✭Not going to lie, I would really like a cloak for my nightblade.
But at the same time I'm glad they aren't around. FPS for me is already low (I get tops 20, but I hang around 15. I refuse to lower my graphics any more because I actually want to see texture detail gosh darn it!), and the animations for cloaks/capes would hurt everyone's FPS/ram if they made them look half good. Plus, it's an extra slot for stat boosts and not wearing one puts you at a disadvantage. Of course this can be a nonissue if they give the option to hide it.
I think I recall ZOS stating they're not adding them. I could be wrong so don't quote me! But I'm happy where it is now, but would be happy if they did add them...
Also may I point out that the characters for the add were meant to be cool. The Nord had a broken horn on his helm, and you can't get or make that too. Most companies tend to do this when they're using non ingame graphics/content. Just sayin'!0 -
dannomite82✭✭Probably too much of a pain to do them properly.Holgrum put some pants on. Holgrum heal me I'm dying. Nag... Nag... Nag...0 -
SinBad✭✭✭iv been preaching this since oblivion they should add capes/clocks. And if people really hate it they can make the option to remove it like the helmet. Iv already submitted my /feedback and i urge everyone to do the same so we can have them in the game.Edited by SinBad on April 8, 2014 4:54PMMyrmidons, my brothers of the sword. I'd rather fight beside you than any army of thousands. Let no man forget how menacing we are, we are lions! Do you know what's there, waiting, beyond that beach? Immortality!Take it, it's yours!1 -
Altheina✭✭✭Pretty much all NPCs in Arena wear cloaks, but players can't iirc. I don't remember having one in Daggerfall or Oblivion, either, and I had to use a mod to have one in Skyrim. I guess cloaks for players is just not Elder Scrolls.
Oh yes and this might be good news considering that there's a possibility for cloak be made as add on... well, I can only hope. Not sure if it can be done without creation tool thingy though.
Edited by Altheina on April 8, 2014 5:06PMAltheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
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TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
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Daggerfal had the best cloak system of all of them. On top of heavy armor you could wear... 2 cloaks. One heavy, one light, and you could even toggle the hoods. None of the later games, that actually give you a third person view, has felt as satisfying when it comes to cloaks.Pretty much all NPCs in Arena wear cloaks, but players can't iirc. I don't remember having one in Daggerfall or Oblivion, either, and I had to use a mod to have one in Skyrim. I guess cloaks for players is just not Elder Scrolls.
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✭✭✭✭Cloaks integral to TES, lol. We haven't been able to wear cloaks since 1996.
I'd like a warm winter cloak for my adventures in the snowy northern regions. I don't care much about fancy capes, I did learn from Edna.
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MaxBat✭✭✭From modding Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim:
Cloaks are actually a pain in the *ss to implement. Think about it. You have a body. Armor can be made to fit or form to that body. It's forgiving because if you're a degree or two off center with your model, the player can't really tell.
Capes are relative to what? In every instantiation of capes I've seen in any game - even Skyrim - there were clipping issues. Clipping is where two models "crash" and one either shows through the other or there's that funky flickering that goes on.
One way around that is to have to capes sweep out behind the player (e.g some Morrowind and early Oblivion mods) and they just look silly. But hair looked silly in Morrowind, too.
I would love to see capes and cloaks (hooded versions) both. But it would be interesting to see if they could pull it off and make them look good."Funny that magic doesn't work when a mace caves in your skull."
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Eris✭✭✭✭If you know any professional super heroes you would know that cloaks are dangerous. They can cause you to get sucked into jet engines and tangled up at the worst time.
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Sihnfahl✭✭✭✭The most amusing thing are khajiit and argonian tails with capes. The tails tended to go through the model, rather than underneath.
And you wouldn't want a nord wearing a khajiiti or argonian-style cape.1 -
Altheina✭✭✭Cloak add immersion imho, something is missing say on the guards when I realise that no cloak present in them...
Is it really due to the fact that it's a pain to make them that it's not added?Altheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
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TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
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Melian✭✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »Daggerfal had the best cloak system of all of them. On top of heavy armor you could wear... 2 cloaks. One heavy, one light, and you could even toggle the hoods. None of the later games, that actually give you a third person view, has felt as satisfying when it comes to cloaks.
Oh, was that one of the "clothing" items? The character I beat it on didn't have any.
Edited by Melian on April 8, 2014 5:35PM0 -
Eris✭✭✭✭Maybe they will add it on later, I seem to recall that DDO launched without cloaks and then added them in later.Side effects of reading messages on forums can cause nausea, head aches, spontaneous fits of rage, urination due to intense laughter, and sometimes the death of your monitor or other object in throwing range. If you find that you are reading forums more than 24 hours a day, please consult your nearest temporal physicist.0
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rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭silenthunter29 wrote: »well I can say that cloak is integral to the Elder Scrolls series.
I admit, I laughed.
Not one single Elder Scrolls game has cloaks in them for player use.
Not one.
The only way to get a cloak is by using mods.
So no, cloaks are not integral to the Elder Scrolls series at all. They don't even play a tiny part.
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MaxBat✭✭✭silenthunter29 wrote: »Cloak add immersion imho, something is missing say on the guards when I realise that no cloak present in them...
Is it really due to the fact that it's a pain to make them that it's not added?
Unless a dev comes online and comments, I doubt that anyone knows "for certain." But I do think they're trying to avoid clipping. This has been a trend - to make armor more "simple" to avoid clipping issues that were paramount in Morrowind. By Skyrim we have one piece of body armor. In a dev video, we were told that decision was made so they could so things with armor that they couldn't do otherwise.
If you look closely at the armor in TESO, you'll see that no matter what style you build, it fits with other styles without clipping (at least I haven't seen any clipping yet). The seams fit together naturally. As a modder, that takes a bit of work. I'm not sure how they could make cloaks/capes work so seamlessly ...
As to the beast races, there could be separate models for beasts, that accommodate their tails ...
"Funny that magic doesn't work when a mace caves in your skull."
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icengr_ESO✭✭✭iv been preaching this since oblivion they should add capes/clocks. And if people really hate it they can make the option to remove it like the helmet. Iv already submitted my /feedback and i urge everyone to do the same so we can have them in the game.
why on earth would I do this when I don't want them in game at all. I have played elder scrolls for many years and never recall seeing one cape. and hiding is not an option as it would only hide my cape not everyone's.
oh, and I also recall ZOS saying something about no cloaks.Edited by icengr_ESO on April 8, 2014 5:46PM0 -
Altheina✭✭✭silenthunter29 wrote: »Cloak add immersion imho, something is missing say on the guards when I realise that no cloak present in them...
Is it really due to the fact that it's a pain to make them that it's not added?
Unless a dev comes online and comments, I doubt that anyone knows "for certain." But I do think they're trying to avoid clipping. This has been a trend - to make armor more "simple" to avoid clipping issues that were paramount in Morrowind. By Skyrim we have one piece of body armor. In a dev video, we were told that decision was made so they could so things with armor that they couldn't do otherwise.
If you look closely at the armor in TESO, you'll see that no matter what style you build, it fits with other styles without clipping (at least I haven't seen any clipping yet). The seams fit together naturally. As a modder, that takes a bit of work. I'm not sure how they could make cloaks/capes work so seamlessly ...
As to the beast races, there could be separate models for beasts, that accommodate their tails ...
Hmm.. I think that would make sense as to why the devs decided to forgo cloak implemented into the game. Would be interesting to see the comment made by the devs if they happen to have the mood to respond lol
Altheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
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TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
TESO Fun-fact 3: There are 40,656,000 different weapon variations in the game0 -
Thete✭✭✭I agree that cloaks should be in the game. I'm sure any issues around clipping are a lower priority than the style we're being deprived of.MMO PvE veteran looking for suitable guild:
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✭✭@Melian Yeah, TES II had sort of a paper doll system and certain items always layered on top. Now that I think about it, the bottom cloak may actually have been a robe, but still with a hood you could put up or down.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If they do add them ... and I really hope they don't, they look silly ... then they had better give an option to hide them, like helmets.
I'm playing a soldier not batman .... daft, ugly looking things and people want them adding .... words, I have none.Edited by rawne1980b16_ESO on April 8, 2014 6:10PM0 -
As a Veteran TES players, I am quite used to not having cloaks. Cloaks and long tails do not work! And have you tried casting a spell with all the drapery floating around?
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Does that mean "every Elder Scrolls game ever"? Because none of them have cloaks.----
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Altheina✭✭✭Honestly, I am quite surprised that quite a few people against adding cloak considering the soldiers, especially the high ranking ones in the ancient times are depicted to have worn cloaks, sorcerers as well...Altheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
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TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
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circilion✭✭✭Yea, I already have to play the game on medium graphics quality. If there were 50 players hanging around with waving flashy cloaks I'd have to drop down to the lowest settings!!
Have a heart for us poverty players!!!!
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@nerevarine1138 and @rawne1980b16_ESO at least one of them did.
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✭Pretty much all NPCs in Arena wear cloaks, but players can't iirc. I don't remember having one in Daggerfall or Oblivion, either, and I had to use a mod to have one in Skyrim. I guess cloaks for players is just not Elder Scrolls.
Yep. This.
Elder scrolls has never been big on cloaks. You can get cowls with certain Light Armor motifs, but cloaks are not really a TES thing. I'd like one for my Nightblade too (I already made her a hood), but we'll just have to find other ways to look cool.
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Altheina✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »"The Elder Scrolls Without Cloak"
Does that mean "every Elder Scrolls game ever"? Because none of them have cloaks.
At least the guards have it no? Also, with the available cloak mods(Morrowind and Skyrim) making it blend within the game.
But then, I realise that there are complications exist when cloak is implemented(clipping issue, etc..)
So maybe we may see cloaks implemented in the form of mods(if that's ever allowed)?
Altheina - Wood Elf Nightblade
TESO Fun-fact 1: It takes to kill 119,050 mudcrabs to reach level 50
TESO Fun-fact 2: There are 61 million items in the game
TESO Fun-fact 3: There are 40,656,000 different weapon variations in the game0 -
Elember✭✭✭You could get a mod for Oblivion that allowed you to get a cloak and it was very well done indeed. Proper flow to it when you moved, no clipping at all, so it obviously can be done and I don't see why Zenimax decided to leave it out of the game.
I think Skyrim had a similar mod as well. So if modders can manage cloaks there is really no excuse for the devs to leave them out of their game.Edited by Elember on April 8, 2014 6:38PM0
