Am I the only one that thinks feeding as a Vampire is pointless?

Elyna

Seeing how they dont lose fire vurnerability as they feed like in other TES games, theres almost no point to feeding. I've been playing as a mage, and I barely rely and flat regen by itself. And seeing how I have a massive heal from being a vampire, why wouldnt I want it to cost 60% less mana?

jody.roaneub17_ESO

yeah im not feeding either. for rp reasons and because health regen isnt that important when my drain heals for all of my hp. and thats just during the day.

Klimarov

i don't quiet see the regen from being a vamp working. however i got some decent regen spec, khajiit talent for regen, night blade leech ability, heavy armor regen skill and and by regen only i get like 1/8th of my life bar restored every 2nd. I however don't feel any OP from being a vamp.

ArgonianAssassin

Agreed, I'm leaving myself at stage 4, i think feeding needs to have more advantages, like the fire debuff becomes stronger as you progress through the stages, also I think it'd be cool if feeding were an active ability, or turned your bitten enemies into a thrall for a short time, but as it stands, feeding seems useless.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

well how about giving us something usefull like frost resistance wich seems to be utherly lacking?

Ravinsild

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

well how about giving us something usefull like frost resistance wich seems to be utherly lacking?

Nords have a frost resist racial.

Teloran

Feeding actually gives you a significant chunk of health, and I believe it can be done from invisibility as well as sneak.

Elyna

Teloran wrote: »

Feeding actually gives you a significant chunk of health, and I believe it can be done from invisibility as well as sneak.

Wait, feeding returns health?

Teloran

It did in beta at least. I watched a stream in which the tester had a build that used Shadow Cloak to in-combat feed for the health.

ArgonianAssassin

Well, I already have an ability that returns health AND stamina, in combat, and it has a longer range than straight up feeding does, and at stage 4, it only costs 60% of what it normally casts and it's my main heal, why wouldn't I want my main regen trick to cost as little as possible with virtually no drawbacks? I think vampires need more buffs and more drawbacks, stage 1 and stage 4 should be both be equally as enticing.

Reavan

Feeding for example heals me for 250 hp a sec over 6 sec which is much more than the 150 per 3 sec of drain essence.

I expect as a nb vanish and feed will be my best heal in vr content.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

can you even do that while in combat?

Ill make a list of possible stuff that could vary on stages.

Stage 1
20% fire damage
20% frost resistance

stage 2
30% fire damage
30% frost resistance
-20% vampire ability cost
-20% health regen

Stage 3
40% fire damage
40% frost resistance
-40% vampire ability cost
-40% health regen

Stage 4
50% fire damage
50% frost resistance
-60% vampire ability cost
-60% health regen

As seen above vampirism increase cold resistance as it progress (undead dont feel the cold like the living) however fire becomes increasingly treatening while vampire abilities become easyer to access to and base wound recovery slower (closer to death)

ArgonianAssassin

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

can you even do that while in combat?

Ill make a list of possible stuff that could vary on stages.

Stage 1
20% fire damage
20% frost resistance

stage 2
30% fire damage
30% frost resistance
-20% vampire ability cost
-20% health regen

Stage 3
40% fire damage
40% frost resistance
-40% vampire ability cost
-40% health regen

Stage 4
50% fire damage
50% frost resistance
-60% vampire ability cost
-60% health regen
-Ability to feed in combat when Concealing Swarm is activated

As seen above vampirism increase cold resistance as it progress (undead don't feel the cold like the living) however fire becomes increasingly threatening while vampire abilities become easier to access to and base wound recovery slower (closer to death)

I've made some changes to your list, but overall it's a good one. I added the ability to feed in combat because 1, you don't always have the option to get close enough while sneaking to feed, and 2, it's thematically cool to pop out of a swarm of bats and suck your enemy dry of their blood, of course, if this were implemented you'd have to get rid of the healing effect of feeding when using concealing swarm in this way, because why take the healing bats when you could take this, get a damage effect, a heal, and invisibility? So instead feeding would just act as a stun for your allies in combat.

Ravinsild

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

can you even do that while in combat?

Ill make a list of possible stuff that could vary on stages.

Stage 1
20% fire damage
20% frost resistance

stage 2
30% fire damage
30% frost resistance
-20% vampire ability cost
-20% health regen

Stage 3
40% fire damage
40% frost resistance
-40% vampire ability cost
-40% health regen

Stage 4
50% fire damage
50% frost resistance
-60% vampire ability cost
-60% health regen
-Ability to feed in combat when Concealing Swarm is activated

As seen above vampirism increase cold resistance as it progress (undead don't feel the cold like the living) however fire becomes increasingly threatening while vampire abilities become easier to access to and base wound recovery slower (closer to death)

I've made some changes to your list, but overall it's a good one. I added the ability to feed in combat because 1, you don't always have the option to get close enough while sneaking to feed, and 2, it's thematically cool to pop out of a swarm of bats and suck your enemy dry of their blood, of course, if this were implemented you'd have to get rid of the healing effect of feeding when using concealing swarm in this way, because why take the healing bats when you could take this, get a damage effect, a heal, and invisibility? So instead feeding would just act as a stun for your allies in combat.

I didn't know you couldn't feed in combat because as a Nightblade I run the invisibility skill and can feed in combat

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

good to know

ArgonianAssassin

Ravinsild wrote: »

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

can you even do that while in combat?

Ill make a list of possible stuff that could vary on stages.

Stage 1
20% fire damage
20% frost resistance

stage 2
30% fire damage
30% frost resistance
-20% vampire ability cost
-20% health regen

Stage 3
40% fire damage
40% frost resistance
-40% vampire ability cost
-40% health regen

Stage 4
50% fire damage
50% frost resistance
-60% vampire ability cost
-60% health regen
-Ability to feed in combat when Concealing Swarm is activated

As seen above vampirism increase cold resistance as it progress (undead don't feel the cold like the living) however fire becomes increasingly threatening while vampire abilities become easier to access to and base wound recovery slower (closer to death)

I've made some changes to your list, but overall it's a good one. I added the ability to feed in combat because 1, you don't always have the option to get close enough while sneaking to feed, and 2, it's thematically cool to pop out of a swarm of bats and suck your enemy dry of their blood, of course, if this were implemented you'd have to get rid of the healing effect of feeding when using concealing swarm in this way, because why take the healing bats when you could take this, get a damage effect, a heal, and invisibility? So instead feeding would just act as a stun for your allies in combat.

I didn't know you couldn't feed in combat because as a Nightblade I run the invisibility skill and can feed in combat

Reaaaaaaaally? I'm also a nightblade but I didn't know that, I don't run shadowcloak on my bar.

Jaxom

If you use feed in combat, would you not lose a Stage? I would think once you get Bat Swarm, you will want to keep Stage 4 to be able to keep the Ultimate cost down. I saw a video with a guy running the Healing Swarm with a 40 ultimate cost. You can pretty much keep it up indefinitely.

ArgonianAssassin

Jaxom wrote: »

If you use feed in combat, would you not lose a Stage? I would think once you get Bat Swarm, you will want to keep Stage 4 to be able to keep the Ultimate cost down. I saw a video with a guy running the Healing Swarm with a 40 ultimate cost. You can pretty much keep it up indefinitely.

How?? Is it a passive? A skill? When you're actually able to morph it? My bat swarm still costs 250 to cast, so I just stick with incapacitating strikes which is 50 ulti, but I'd love to have my bat swarm only cost 40, I'd never stop using it

Azymuth

You can get ultimate down to 60 in stage 4 vampirism. For you it costs 250 because even if you are at stage 4 you got stage 4 bugged (we all do) after you go to a loading screen or die. Go in a big map (not a dungeon) wait for stage 3 to run out and look at ultimate cost at lvl 30 and Bat Swarm rank 1 its down to 68 resource. You can then use invigorating drain to get 20 resource per mob hit so every 3 mobs you get Bat Swarm, that can also have life drain morph.

You will not be enjoying this for long because as soon as you get to a loading screen resource reduction gets messed up (reverts to stage 1 even if you are still at 4) and you need to feed and go down to 3 (then it wonlt be 60 resource it will be 120) only it will then BUG AGAIN on next loading screen and so on...

I can't morph Bat Swarm yet but I'm guessing that invisibility thing is crap, the only thing you get from it is incombat feeding which sucks cuz it lowers stages and you pass on perma bat swarm with life drain for it. If you want it to use as a get away it's still fail since you have mist form with 90 makgica while bat swarm drains life and you get healed to max so no need to run.

ArgonianAssassin

Damn I didn't even know that, that's absolutely terrible and needs to be fixed asap.

Azymuth

Well I just realized I have 15% reduced costs on ultimate from passive from Sorcerer class, but everything I said still applies. 60 ultimate 69 ultimate same thing.

Also I can now confirm that all vampire skills that cost magicka get bugged costs (partially) when stages bug. 1st off tooltips bug and stay bugged until stage change, 2nd the costs are reduced accordingly despite what the tooltips say (except the ultimate which is fully bugged) BUT if you have a lower amount of magicka than what the spell costs at stage one you can't cast it (when you get enough magicka you cast it and it only costs what it should at your current rank).

Not to mention Posion Mist still has bugged audio effects and only does 3 to 5 ticks of damage instead of 8. And still didn't check but stealth buff is also bugged somehow according to a lot of ppl.

Jaxom

Pretty much what Azymuth said. As you progress, All of your Vampire Skills get a substantial reduced cost (I believe it's up to 60%), including your ultimate. There is also a set of armor out there which reduces your ultimate cost by 20 which is how this person got Bat Swam down to 40.

As for the tooltip, it's just bugged but I believe the reduction cost is still working. I tested it out last night. I was at stage 4 and could pretty much spam my drain essence skill with little hit to my Magicka. Went down to Stage 1 and was having a sizable chunk taken out yet the tooltip didn't change.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

I think I got 80 ultimate without ulti reduction cost but that's still nearly nothing considering I build tons of ulti point just by draining and spamming my siphon spec I can likely spend all my time in bat swarm. Issue is stage 4 is bugged right now half the time

and seriously what set?

EDIT: went to look at it seems the only set in the game that does this force the player to use a sword and a shieild or either or the two... its a heavy armor sets to x.x wich is kind of anoying

Jaxom

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

I think I got 80 ultimate without ulti reduction cost but that's still nearly nothing considering I build tons of ulti point just by draining and spamming my siphon spec I can likely spend all my time in bat swarm. Issue is stage 4 is bugged right now half the time

and seriously what set?

EDIT: went to look at it seems the only set in the game that does this force the player to use a sword and a shieild or either or the two... its a heavy armor sets to x.x wich is kind of anoying

That's the one Kyubi. I wont be using it but it's out there.

Reavan

Nightblades can feed in combat and sorry i disagree that the rest of you pesants should get this ability

ArgonianAssassin

Reavan wrote: »

Nightblades can feed in combat and sorry i disagree that the rest of you pesants should get this ability

It's not enough to say that you disagree, ZOS got rid of the 'disagree' button for a reason, explain why you disagree.

Reavan

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Reavan wrote: »

Nightblades can feed in combat and sorry i disagree that the rest of you pesants should get this ability

It's not enough to say that you disagree, ZOS got rid of the 'disagree' button for a reason, explain why you disagree.

Feeding requires stealthy gameplay to ambush the unaware and drain them of their blood.
Nightblades are the class with the best stealth tools but lacking other things other classes have.
Invisibilty grants feed at a cost of magika or an ultimate slot.

Why should you who picked a class with superiority in other aspects of gameplay suddenly be on the same level as us in our aspect??
No reason.
At all.
Removing stealth requirements is wrong too, an on demand stun that costs no resources and gives one of the best heals in the game?? Right... Not op at all.

Its a stealth synergy.


You want to be the ultimate stealthy vampire. Play the stealthy class or use the ultimate.
Otherwise accept the drain skill as that is the ballanced substitute for it.

ArgonianAssassin

Uhm, I am a nightblade, and as it stands if shadowcloak lets you feed in combat, by that logic, the ultimate of concealing swarm also lets you feed in combat already, I think the problem is ,what's the point of feeding? Who wants to feed in combat? For the health regen? Meh, that's the only reason for feeding, to keep your health regen high, which I can easily make up for with my self healing(swallow soul, invigorating drain, blood craze) or healing pots. So yeah, feeding is pretty pointless, I like the idea of making the fire damage scale with your starvation level, aswell as adding frost resistance, maybe not a whole 50% because I think that's dumb both ways, but that's up to the devs.

LazerusKI

feeding? pff...my argonian looks way better with a pale white skin.
sadly the cost reduction of skills is highly bugged, so there is also no reason to not-feed.

NordJitsu

Health Regen is meaningful. I definitely notice the lack of health regen when I'm in Stage 4.

I do agree that the Fire Resist should scale up though from 20% at stage 1 to the current 50% only at stage 4.

Elyna

NordJitsu wrote: »

Health Regen is meaningful. I definitely notice the lack of health regen when I'm in Stage 4.

I do agree that the Fire Resist should scale up though from 20% at stage 1 to the current 50% only at stage 4.

True, but my set up has 3 heals in it. Dark Exchange is amazing and with the massive heal with the morphed ult is also really nice.