DK whip is broken

CannedChicken

I’m just gonna say it because the DK situation has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. Molten whip needs to be looked at.

You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.

And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.

The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.

DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.

I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.

If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs

GulmarAvocado

CannedChicken wrote: »

I’m just gonna say it because the DK situation has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. Molten whip needs to be looked at.

You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.

And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.

The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.

DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.

I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.

If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs

Yeah, I don’t understand how DK has been left in this state for so long. HoF sustain, health-based heals, and the absurd delayed burst stacked on top of Whip all need to be addressed. Especially when both Whip morphs hit as hard as they do while DK can sustain essentially forever.

Panderbander

Dang and I thought the random 25-27k hits I've been taking are bad.

Teeba_Shei

Panderbander wrote: »

Dang and I thought the random 25-27k hits I've been taking are bad.

I love how they spent all this effort trying to nerf ganking this patch, only for a DK running a tanky build to still one-shot people with a completely standard burst combo.

At this point, why even bother playing a 17k health ganker when you can just play an essentially unkillable DK and accomplish the same thing?

AdonisJorge

CannedChicken wrote: »

I’m just gonna say it because the DK situation has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. Molten whip needs to be looked at.

You can see in the video below that I get hit by a DK whip for 41k. What really stands out to me is that I had maybe half a second or less between the DK chains even appearing on my screen and being dead instantly. There was basically no meaningful time to react.

And this isn’t even taking into account all of the other delayed burst damage DK can stack on top of it. You can already have a bunch of pressure building up from their kit, and then whip comes in and hits like a truck. The amount of burst DK can put out right now is just ridiculous and whip is the biggest problem.

The 33% bonus damage per stack on molten whip is just way too much. When you’re already getting this kind of damage out of the skill, that extra scaling is a big part of why the burst feels so ridiculous. It should be brought down to 10% bonus damage per stack under Battle Spirit. That would still let whip hit hard and reward DKs for building their stacks, but it wouldn't make the final hit so absurd.

DK has been in a really strong spot for a while now, and at this point the situation feels like it has gotten out of control. Meanwhile, ZOS doesn't seem to be taking any meaningful steps to address it.

I'm not saying DK needs to be gutted or that whip should suddenly become useless. Just tone down the ridiculous burst. A 41k crit from a spammable should probably be a pretty good indication that something needs to be adjusted.

If this is the vision ZOS has for the reworks and for DK, then I guess that’s fine. I’ll just move on and play other games. I’ve played this game for a long time, but I’m not going to keep putting time into PvP if this is the direction things are going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBiqJ9jgEEs

Perfectly balanced

Wuuffyy

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

NovelliESO

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Wuuffyy

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Install this person a LOL reaction because I need one.

Edit: for context, when I showed off my whip recaps with corro damage clearly in them prior, I was told to get more armor. Hence the comment xD

BardokRedSnow

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

BardokRedSnow

As for this clip, I dont know anyone that ever got hit this hard lol but if you wanna talk nerfs you should first look at the build and see how they managed that instead of just blindly calling for nerfs to dk when thats far from the norm.

Ive been playing for a while, Ive never seen anyone get hit like that from the refreshed whip lol aside from a target dummy. Maybe that build needs to be nerfed, not DK. Its not a common thing.

Reproduce it and see how thats even a thing.

NovelliESO

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

Have you tried substantively engaging with anything said on the forums? No, you haven't, and last time you challenged me and I gave you a response you ran from the conversation because you couldn't prove me wrong on something you swore you were right about. As laughable as ever. DK is too strong, you can say roll dodge all you want, do you think a spammable hitting for 41k is healthy for the game?

BardokRedSnow

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

Have you tried substantively engaging with anything said on the forums? No, you haven't, and last time you challenged me and I gave you a response you ran from the conversation because you couldn't prove me wrong on something you swore you were right about. As laughable as ever. DK is too strong, you can say roll dodge all you want, do you think a spammable hitting for 41k is healthy for the game?

I think you take yourself way too seriously to have any sort of productive discussion.

Reproduce this and show how its being done, as I said, its not at all a common occurrence. Begging for nerfs without knowing the full build involved in each instance and not reproducing it isnt a good idea. You might be able to nerf something else entirely and get rid of this specific burst event without touching DK at all.

NovelliESO

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

Have you tried substantively engaging with anything said on the forums? No, you haven't, and last time you challenged me and I gave you a response you ran from the conversation because you couldn't prove me wrong on something you swore you were right about. As laughable as ever. DK is too strong, you can say roll dodge all you want, do you think a spammable hitting for 41k is healthy for the game?

I think you take yourself way too seriously to have any sort of productive discussion.

Reproduce this and show how its being done, as I said, its not at all a common occurrence. Begging for nerfs without knowing the full build involved in each instance and not reproducing it isnt a good idea. You might be able to nerf something else entirely and get rid of this specific burst event without touching DK at all.

Your response before was "I know I'm right" and now you resort to more insults which you were doing previously. I gave you things to respond to before and you refused because you had nothing of value to say back. All you do is obfuscate, insult, and move the goal post, you have zero engagement with what is actually said. You wanted a video of a DK whip before and now you got it and your response is literally "roll dodge." Do you ever have serious conversation?

Kartalin

It'd be nice if the recap was a little more chronological with its damage listing. I remember there was an addon -- probably several now -- that would do that.

Possibly the DK was in Corrosive, bypassing all defense, and maybe even had Monomyth and Mechanical Acuity running too. But it's hard to say. Regardless, 40k is just too high even with high crit damage with full pen. And even worse if not.

rlindsey912nub18_ESO

Hey look on the bright side guys nb got more nerfs (Get Zosd)

Luneca

What's happening in PvP spaces isn't PvP, it's just a poor imitation of it in a completely non-competitive environment where people with vested interests in keeping it that way will do anything to defend their cheese. Really sad to see how far PvP has fallen since that god-awful Skyrim update.

HunterDawn

Famous quote from DK high-end players on the forum: DK damage is normal, if you are hit, you still need to practice rolling more。😅

BardokRedSnow

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

Have you tried substantively engaging with anything said on the forums? No, you haven't, and last time you challenged me and I gave you a response you ran from the conversation because you couldn't prove me wrong on something you swore you were right about. As laughable as ever. DK is too strong, you can say roll dodge all you want, do you think a spammable hitting for 41k is healthy for the game?

I think you take yourself way too seriously to have any sort of productive discussion.

Reproduce this and show how its being done, as I said, its not at all a common occurrence. Begging for nerfs without knowing the full build involved in each instance and not reproducing it isnt a good idea. You might be able to nerf something else entirely and get rid of this specific burst event without touching DK at all.

Your response before was "I know I'm right"

It still is too.

Because no one is posting how to get that result and reproduce it, because they just want dk nerfed, they dont care that this might not even be about dk specifically but some build thats being abused or even a glitch like the multi mundus glitch.

It could be anything, the video isnt enough.

edit: Also yall throw around the term "insult" a lot here, dunno if thats a signal for the mods or what but just because you're criticized doesn't mean its an insult.

BardokRedSnow

HunterDawn wrote: »

Famous quote from DK high-end players on the forum: DK damage is normal, if you are hit, you still need to practice rolling more。😅

maybe I'll make that my new sig

NovelliESO

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

The thing is, I’d tell you to get more armor but I’m smart enough to know that they already uncontrollably full-penned it.

Bardokredsnow is that you? /s

The person who posted has that resist tracker addon as well.

Have you tried dodge rolling

Have you tried substantively engaging with anything said on the forums? No, you haven't, and last time you challenged me and I gave you a response you ran from the conversation because you couldn't prove me wrong on something you swore you were right about. As laughable as ever. DK is too strong, you can say roll dodge all you want, do you think a spammable hitting for 41k is healthy for the game?

I think you take yourself way too seriously to have any sort of productive discussion.

Reproduce this and show how its being done, as I said, its not at all a common occurrence. Begging for nerfs without knowing the full build involved in each instance and not reproducing it isnt a good idea. You might be able to nerf something else entirely and get rid of this specific burst event without touching DK at all.

Your response before was "I know I'm right"

It still is too.

Because no one is posting how to get that result and reproduce it, because they just want dk nerfed, they dont care that this might not even be about dk specifically but some build thats being abused or even a glitch like the multi mundus glitch.

It could be anything, the video isnt enough.

If I wanted to post a video of something to get DK nerfed I could post a video getting hit with an 80k whip, you just don't live in reality for whatever reason and are addicted to arguing in bad faith. You ask for proof of everything yet provide it for nothing, just duplicitous with every interaction.

HunterDawn

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

HunterDawn wrote: »

Famous quote from DK high-end players on the forum: DK damage is normal, if you are hit, you still need to practice rolling more。😅

maybe I'll make that my new sig

This famous saying is very suitable for you. It belongs to you now. Please make sure to use it as your signature in the future 😅

BardokRedSnow

If you're claiming something is normal, the burden of proof lies with you

BardokRedSnow

HunterDawn wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

HunterDawn wrote: »

Famous quote from DK high-end players on the forum: DK damage is normal, if you are hit, you still need to practice rolling more。😅

maybe I'll make that my new sig

This famous saying is very suitable for you. It belongs to you now. Please make sure to use it as your signature in the future 😅

I will when vengeance tests replacing greyhost stops, as it is, my current signature is too relevant lol.

But I'll put a pin on it just for you lol.

NovelliESO

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

If you're claiming something is normal, the burden of proof lies with you

Coming from "I know I'm right" and the person who posts an out of context quote that is 8 months old prior to the existence of class mastery as a way to prove something. Good joke.

BardokRedSnow

8 months and its still relevant

https://hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-class-updates-2026-the-class-identity-refresh/

Until they come forth and contradict this or change course, it doesnt matter how old it is.

NovelliESO

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

8 months and its still relevant

https://hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-class-updates-2026-the-class-identity-refresh/

Until they come forth and contradict this or change course, it doesnt matter how old it is.

It matters in the context you bring it up. The fact you don't understand that is very telling. If I argue that it is evident based on the way policing is happening that government doesn't care about petty theft and quote an 8 month old article of someone saying such, but then only 2 months ago new laws were put in place to help combat it, the 8 month article I quoted would be less relevant than the much more recent change. You lost the argument on that thread, come to this one to lose again. You rely too much on DK and need it to stay strong.

imPDA

Kartalin wrote: »

It'd be nice if the recap was a little more chronological with its damage listing. I remember there was an addon -- probably several now -- that would do that.

Possibly the DK was in Corrosive, bypassing all defense, and maybe even had Monomyth and Mechanical Acuity running too. But it's hard to say. Regardless, 40k is just too high even with high crit damage with full pen. And even worse if not.

It is really easy to see from the video DK was in fact in corrosive and I would say in acuity too, but acuity proc looked a bit off for me from what I used to, probably because of video settings of maybe I am missing a couple of sets because I have not actively played for several years.

Panderbander

Even in corrosive there's no good reason a DK should ever be capable of hitting a 42k whip in PvP.

Adrastus

this reminds me of the days when nb would one shot you and cloak away with infinite sustain and dodge rolls. all while also being tanky and having insane burst. that *** lasted how many years?

IncultaWolf

Yeah but we need to nerf werewolf 🤡

ItsNotLiving

Farstrider + orders wrath + monomyth, hit a mob to put himself in combat stack 3 whip stacks, pop corro, chains to proc the farstrider and clicked 1 button. What fun and engaging gameplay.