Sheogorath as a one-dimensional character

Eporem

Unless he is summoned - though who would summon him - rereads the Cold Harbour Pact

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Coldharbour_Compact

and Azura manifested herself through another I believe as well through a quest in ESO - or maybe she was summoned - I forget..

Syldras

metheglyn wrote: »

When you say Skooma Cat is considered an aspect of Sheogorath, what does that mean? Who considers it so? I was under the impression that Daedric Princes could assume whatever form they wished, so Sheogorath could be a cat if he wanted. If Skooma Cat is just an aspect of him, that wasn't clear to me when I did that quest.

It's a manifestation of a part of a deity in the mortal world, but not a full embodiment - limited power, possibly even limited knowledge/sentience. There's also a clear real-world inspiration, I think, but then I'll get a slap on my hand, as you know. I do think the Skooma Cat was refered to as an aspect somewhere in dialogue?

In any way, if the Coldharbor Compact is broken, I'd like to see the consequences. If it's not broken, I want to learn which means Sheogorath used, to do whatever he'd doing in the new story, so he doesn't break it.

I just want to see any lore explanation and possible consequences, and hope it won't just become one of these "deity tries to live amongs mortals but fails" comedy stories (there's dozens of movies about that, after all), with no deeper rooting in lore.

Syldras

Eporem wrote: »

Unless he is summoned - though who would summon him - rereads the Cold Harbour Pact
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Coldharbour_Compact
and Azura manifested herself through another I believe as well through a quest in ESO - or maybe she was summoned - I forget..

They are only allowed to act through "intermediaries" - that's why they have their "champions" on Nirn.

They're also forbidden to manifest for personal gain, which would clearly be the case if it's really the way it was shortly put in the stream: Sheogorath wants to experience life as a mortal.

Eporem

If there is a consequence I hope it will have something to do with the curse - that he must remain Mortal or something like this

metheglyn

Eporem wrote: »

Unless he is summoned - though who would summon him - rereads the Cold Harbour Pact

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Coldharbour_Compact

and Azura manifested herself through another I believe as well through a quest in ESO - or maybe she was summoned - I forget..

In Vvardenfell, Azura does that thing where she briefly takes over a mortal's body to deliver a message. In Stormhaven players communicate with her through her statue (and I think that happens in Grahtwood, too). I'm not clear how much of her exists in either the statue or when she takes over a mortal. It does seem like a bit of another run-around on the rules, though.

There is a random encounter in Solstice with an npc who was trying to summon the Prince of Madness but bit his tongue when he was doing the invocation, and instead summoned the Prince of Mathness--which to me seems like Sheogorath playing games--but that's at least one person who wanted to summon him. However, I would think if summoning them could get around the Compact, we'd have seen Dagon or Bal or one of the others by now--they have some devoted followers who surely would summon them if they could.

Syldras wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

When you say Skooma Cat is considered an aspect of Sheogorath, what does that mean? Who considers it so? I was under the impression that Daedric Princes could assume whatever form they wished, so Sheogorath could be a cat if he wanted. If Skooma Cat is just an aspect of him, that wasn't clear to me when I did that quest.

It's a manifestation of a part of a deity in the mortal world, but not a full embodiment - limited power, possibly even limited knowledge/sentience. There's also a clear real-world inspiration, I think, but then I'll get a slap on my hand, as you know. I do think the Skooma Cat was refered to as an aspect somewhere in dialogue?

In any way, if the Coldharbor Compact is broken, I'd like to see the consequences. If it's not broken, I want to learn which means Sheogorath used, to do whatever he'd doing in the new story, so he doesn't break it.

I just want to see any lore explanation and possible consequences, and hope it won't just become one of these "deity tries to live amongs mortals but fails" comedy stories (there's dozens of movies about that, after all), with no deeper rooting in lore.

Ah, I probably just don't remember the dialogue about the aspect. I still think it's a cheatery way to get onto Nirn, though.

I do hope we learn how he manages it, whether it's an aspect or just an outright breaking of the rules. I also hope to find out how a prince sloughs off their power for something like this and why this particular prince didn't put it someplace where no one could get at it. So the basic premise of the quest has got me interested in experiencing it; we'll see how well I like it in the end.

AScarlato

I hope this is good. So far the clips were of Sheo walking around like a clown and holding cheese, so I won't get my hopes up though.

eashi

Eporem wrote: »

Unless he is summoned - though who would summon him - rereads the Cold Harbour Pact

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Coldharbour_Compact

and Azura manifested herself through another I believe as well through a quest in ESO - or maybe she was summoned - I forget..

The cold harbor compact has tons of loopholes but yeah daedric princes cant just manifest themselves on nirn without consequences. If that is what we are getting in this new quest line the other daedra need to throw a fit about it.

KingArthasMenethil

Syldras wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

When you say Skooma Cat is considered an aspect of Sheogorath, what does that mean? Who considers it so? I was under the impression that Daedric Princes could assume whatever form they wished, so Sheogorath could be a cat if he wanted. If Skooma Cat is just an aspect of him, that wasn't clear to me when I did that quest.

It's a manifestation of a part of a deity in the mortal world, but not a full embodiment - limited power, possibly even limited knowledge/sentience. There's also a clear real-world inspiration, I think, but then I'll get a slap on my hand, as you know. I do think the Skooma Cat was refered to as an aspect somewhere in dialogue?

ESO already has Skooma cat turn into Sheogorath which I find to be the worst part of the quest (imo Sheogorath should not have appeared and only Skooma cat should have appeared). As Sheo turns into his common form and then says ""It was me the whole time! Are you surprised? I was surprised." which just makes it more a form the Prince took deliberately. I do wish Daedric Princes got more cultural visuals then just the Princes decide to mess with the Khajiit by taking feline forms.

Syldras

That doesn't answer the question though if that's supposed to be "full Sheo" appearing on Nirn, or an aspect of him that has manifested - basically like he sent part of his power to appear as some kind of embodiment on Nirn. An avatar basically. I think there was dialogue that called Skooma cat an aspect of Sheogorath, but I don't have time to search for that quote now, unfortunately.

Soarora

Syldras wrote: »

That doesn't answer the question though if that's supposed to be "full Sheo" appearing on Nirn, or an aspect of him that has manifested - basically like he sent part of his power to appear as some kind of embodiment on Nirn. An avatar basically. I think there was dialogue that called Skooma cat an aspect of Sheogorath, but I don't have time to search for that quote now, unfortunately.

I don’t have any solid lore evidence (like “it said in x lorebook”) but I’m of the opinion that all the Princes we see are just manifestations. My belief is that the true form of a god is a sphere, thus the Princes are really their realms, though their manifestations still hold power (it’d be interesting to see how that holds up with Jyggalag if we ever see him again, since he is realmless (although follow-up to that, if he’s realmless because his realm is now the Shivering Isles… where did his Daedra come from when they invaded the Shivering Isles?)). Reason being is that, well, Masser and Secunda are spheres and that’s the corpse of Lorkhan. The “sun” is a circle, so Magnus leaving must’ve been him, as a sphere, floating away. Mannimarco’s ascension made the Necromancer Moon.
So… Sheogorath is the Shivering Isles and Skooma Cat is the form he chooses for when he sends part of himself to Elsweyr.

allochthons

I can't walk past Sheogorath in Cyrodiil without thinking of the Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin says "Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said, 'I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em?' "

Sheogorath was the one who saw a cow and went "I bet I can curdle that!"

I'm not looking forward to the Sheo quest line either. I was neutral until I saw the cheese location in Vvardenfell. I tired of the bit a long time ago. But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?

metheglyn

If sending an aspect of oneself is a way to get around the Coldharbour Compact, why hasn't Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon done that? Or Meridia?

allochthons wrote: »

I can't walk past Sheogorath in Cyrodiil without thinking of the Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin says "Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said, 'I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em?' "

Sheogorath was the one who saw a cow and went "I bet I can curdle that!"

I'm not looking forward to the Sheo quest line either. I was neutral until I saw the cheese location in Vvardenfell. I tired of the bit a long time ago. But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?

I am tired of the cheese thing, but I do think this quest has the potential to be good and interesting. I'm hoping for that.

Syldras

Soarora wrote: »

I don’t have any solid lore evidence (like “it said in x lorebook”) but I’m of the opinion that all the Princes we see are just manifestations. My belief is that the true form of a god is a sphere, thus the Princes are really their realms, though their manifestations still hold power (it’d be interesting to see how that holds up with Jyggalag if we ever see him again, since he is realmless (although follow-up to that, if he’s realmless because his realm is now the Shivering Isles… where did his Daedra come from when they invaded the Shivering Isles?)). Reason being is that, well, Masser and Secunda are spheres and that’s the corpse of Lorkhan. The “sun” is a circle, so Magnus leaving must’ve been him, as a sphere, floating away. Mannimarco’s ascension made the Necromancer Moon.
So… Sheogorath is the Shivering Isles and Skooma Cat is the form he chooses for when he sends part of himself to Elsweyr.

Even lorebooks can only give us theories, as they're statements made by fictional people that might or might not be correct. Though if it was a scholar's treatise on daedric manifestations, I'd find it a bit more reliable at least (but it could still be wrong). We could only be 100% sure if it was an out-of-game dev statement. Or perhaps if we observe a thing in person, in game, ourselves.

I fully share the theory that a daedric prince is their plane and all that's within it, by the way, and what we ever see of them as a "person" is a manifestation (that could also change every single time, they can manifest them in any form they like, after all), which makes me sceptical about what we'll see in the Sheogorath story. The wording in the stream sounded... too simple? Like Sheogorath could just decide he could become/be a mortal, which would be rather strange, with all background lore we have. Then again, it was just a short statement in a stream meant to be easily understood by everyone, including people who don't know much about the lore, so I don't think it's necessarily detailed and lore-accurate.

allochthons wrote: »

I can't walk past Sheogorath in Cyrodiil without thinking of the Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin says "Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said, 'I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em?' "
Sheogorath was the one who saw a cow and went "I bet I can curdle that!"
I'm not looking forward to the Sheo quest line either. I was neutral until I saw the cheese location in Vvardenfell. I tired of the bit a long time ago. But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?

I don't get that joke (I'm not from North America, so perhaps I'm missing context?). People observe their surroundings. They see how animals feed their offspring. They know how they feed their own offspring. The thought "This is nourishment; if it feeds their young, maybe it can feed ours, too." isn't too complicated (if it had been for humans, mankind would have died out long ago). (And there's a tribe that feeds abandoned deer with their own human milk, too.) I don't think what ever Sheogorath does has anything to do with imitating something he saw.

metheglyn wrote: »

If sending an aspect of oneself is a way to get around the Coldharbour Compact, why hasn't Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon done that? Or Meridia?

I'm wondering how capable these manifestations of Sheogorath that we see in game even are. Maybe it's indeed just a projection with no real power (not much, or nothing at all)? I can't exactly remember the visuals of the quests in Southpoint and as Skooma Cat anymore. Do we actually see Sheogorath do anything more than revealing himself and talking? Does he utilize some dangerous power on screen? Otherwise all that happened could have as well been the work of a daedra worshipper who acted as Sheogorath's champion, while he was only there as an observer.

And if Sheogorath himself is really just a powerless manifestation there, basically barely more than a projection, that should be no breach of the Coldharbor Compact; as that agreement forbids the daedric princes to interfere directly in mortal life on Nirn. We know having a champion and letting that person do things in a daedric prince's name does not go against the agreement.

In any way, I hope the Compact is considered in the upcoming Sheogorath story. Maybe what we'll see of him will indeed just be a powerless manifestation and the trouble he causes will not be based on daedric power, but really on how he gets things wrong when interacting with mortals? We'll see.

allochthons

Syldras wrote: »

allochthons wrote: »

I can't walk past Sheogorath in Cyrodiil without thinking of the Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin says "Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said, 'I think I'll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze 'em?' "
Sheogorath was the one who saw a cow and went "I bet I can curdle that!"
I'm not looking forward to the Sheo quest line either. I was neutral until I saw the cheese location in Vvardenfell. I tired of the bit a long time ago. But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?

I don't get that joke (I'm not from North America, so perhaps I'm missing context?). People observe their surroundings. They see how animals feed their offspring. They know how they feed their own offspring. The thought "This is nourishment; if it feeds their young, maybe it can feed ours, too." isn't too complicated (if it had been for humans, mankind would have died out long ago). (And there's a tribe that feeds abandoned deer with their own human milk, too.) I don't think what ever Sheogorath does has anything to do with imitating something he saw.

Calvin and Hobbes was a whimsical American newspaper comic strip from 1985-1995 about a curious six-year old who saw the world a bit differently, and his tiger.
I would have posted this specific comic except I expect it would have been deleted due to copyright, and the only digital version I can find is on Pintrest, and thus requires a login. But a google search of "calvin and hobbes milk cow" should pop it up under Images.
The bit I transcribed definitely makes little sense without the visuals, so I was relying on memory for anyone who was a fan of the comic.

metheglyn

Syldras wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

If sending an aspect of oneself is a way to get around the Coldharbour Compact, why hasn't Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon done that? Or Meridia?

I'm wondering how capable these manifestations of Sheogorath that we see in game even are. Maybe it's indeed just a projection with no real power (not much, or nothing at all)? I can't exactly remember the visuals of the quests in Southpoint and as Skooma Cat anymore. Do we actually see Sheogorath do anything more than revealing himself and talking? Does he utilize some dangerous power on screen? Otherwise all that happened could have as well been the work of a daedra worshipper who acted as Sheogorath's champion, while he was only there as an observer.

And if Sheogorath himself is really just a powerless manifestation there, basically barely more than a projection, that should be no breach of the Coldharbor Compact; as that agreement forbids the daedric princes to interfere directly in mortal life on Nirn. We know having a champion and letting that person do things in a daedric prince's name does not go against the agreement.

In any way, I hope the Compact is considered in the upcoming Sheogorath story. Maybe what we'll see of him will indeed just be a powerless manifestation and the trouble he causes will not be based on daedric power, but really on how he gets things wrong when interacting with mortals? We'll see.

I went through both the Southpoint quest and the Two Moons Temple quest today to refresh my memory about them.

In Southpoint it's pretty unambiguous that Sheogorath himself is there. At first he's possessing Dareneth, but when it comes time to confront Mayor Aulus, he pops out of her and is fully standing there. He does use his powers, too: he sends the player character and Daraneth to a prison cell in the catacombs beneath the chapel; Daraneth says she first encountered him in her laboratory and then he possessed her; Sheogorath changed the catacombs below the chapel to add prisons; he shows up a couple times while the player character escapes the catacombs, using his power to obstruct. There's never any mention of it being an aspect or form of him--the quest pretty clearly conveys that it is Sheogorath, on Nirn. The one part that isn't clear is how Mayor Aulus first encountered him and started the whole catastrophe in action.

In Two Moons Temple, however, Haduras is surprised that the Skooma Cat is able to be there--he says Jone and Jode must be out of alignment for the Skooma Cat to be able to cross the Lunar Lattice. He also says, "Normally, Sheggorath could only send his mad thoughts across through the perverted moon sugar." Skooma Cat does use his power to transport himself from place to place while on Nirn, and also to take Moon-Bishop Sizenza and the player character to Skooma Cat's Cloister--which is a portion of his realm. He does change from cat form to human at the end of the quest, though we are in his realm at that point, so likely there aren't really any limits on what he could do. It was Sizenza's use of the "sacred sugar" (skooma) to bring visions that brought him this time, but there's still no mention of Skooma Cat being an aspect. There's a dialogue point where the player character can ask why he showed up as the Skooma Cat, to which the answer will be: He is always the Skooma Cat. It conveys the idea that Skooma Cat is just another name for Sheggorath, which is just another name for Sheogorath.

However he finagled his way onto Nirn, and however much power he's directly using, he's definitely not there just as an observer. In Southpoint he brings the player character in with the idea that it will inspire Aulus to cause more chaos and insanity. In Two Moons, he's actively interfering with Moon-Bishop Sizenza throughout the quest. So it does seem to me he is breaking the Coldharbour Compact. I'm guessing the reason Sil didn't do anything about it was because he wasn't precisely himself while this was going on.

Syldras

metheglyn wrote: »

However he finagled his way onto Nirn, and however much power he's directly using, he's definitely not there just as an observer. In Southpoint he brings the player character in with the idea that it will inspire Aulus to cause more chaos and insanity. In Two Moons, he's actively interfering with Moon-Bishop Sizenza throughout the quest. So it does seem to me he is breaking the Coldharbour Compact. I'm guessing the reason Sil didn't do anything about it was because he wasn't precisely himself while this was going on.

Interesting. I like that Haduras at least mentioned that coming to Nirn would normally be impossible for Sheogorath. It's a pity though that we never actually see any reaction on him breaking the rules (if what Sheogorath did there is considered that, and it's not just about huge invasions like the one on Old Mournhold or the attack on Gil-var-delle back then). If, in the new story, again nothing happens (and I somehow don't think anything will happen - they probably want to keep the Coldharbor Compact somewhat of a mystery; or even if they'd decide to reveal some part of it, I don't think that something that meaningful could be put well into a six-quest story?), could it still be explained with Sil being in the state he is before the CWC story is completed? We've been told last year that time had progressed, but never how much.

metheglyn

Syldras wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

However he finagled his way onto Nirn, and however much power he's directly using, he's definitely not there just as an observer. In Southpoint he brings the player character in with the idea that it will inspire Aulus to cause more chaos and insanity. In Two Moons, he's actively interfering with Moon-Bishop Sizenza throughout the quest. So it does seem to me he is breaking the Coldharbour Compact. I'm guessing the reason Sil didn't do anything about it was because he wasn't precisely himself while this was going on.

Interesting. I like that Haduras at least mentioned that coming to Nirn would normally be impossible for Sheogorath. It's a pity though that we never actually see any reaction on him breaking the rules (if what Sheogorath did there is considered that, and it's not just about huge invasions like the one on Old Mournhold or the attack on Gil-var-delle back then). If, in the new story, again nothing happens (and I somehow don't think anything will happen - they probably want to keep the Coldharbor Compact somewhat of a mystery; or even if they'd decide to reveal some part of it, I don't think that something that meaningful could be put well into a six-quest story?), could it still be explained with Sil being in the state he is before the CWC story is completed? We've been told last year that time had progressed, but never how much.

It's true we don't know the details of the Coldharbour Compact. At one point where we talk to Azura through her statue in Pariah Abbey, she does say the Compact restricts them to exerting their will through intermediaries--she also mentions she prefers it that way. Other than that, we don't know the specifics (and likely never will).

I'm curious, too, about how much time is meant to have progressed. If previously everything was happening in the same year, then it would seem to me that time has progressed for every previous zone/chapter/story. So Sil should be fully Sil this time. Of course, if Sheogorath is on Nirn as a mortal, without power, doing the equivalent of sight-seeing--that's probably not against the Compact. Any chaos that ensues might not be his doing directly. I have a feeling Sheogorath is always going to find some loophole in the Compact if he's ever actually pressed to account for his actions.

Side note: was it the Sheogorath quest line that is comprised of six quests? I thought Thieves Guild was six, and Sheogorath was eight. Either way, both of them are set to be fairly lengthy and involved, which I like.

eashi

So a lot of people keep mentioning the Skooma cat quest. It isn't explicitly said to be an aspect but it likely is. When he reveals himself to the player character as the Sheo it is in his plane. Also if princes could just manifest themselves on Nirn then the whole plane meld base game and Solstice plots would be pointless. We also see this with the TES IV oblivion crisis and with the Blackwoods/Deadlands quest lines. They are trying to destroy Nirn or merge Nirn with their own planes. So yes Sheo has been manifesting aspects of himself on Nirn and meddling a bit where he is able to but he tends to spirit people away to the Shivering Isles once he really wants to mess with them.

Also there are a number of quest lines, including the base game quest line where we see other daedric Princes get upset that another prince is doing stuff.

metheglyn

eashi wrote: »

So a lot of people keep mentioning the Skooma cat quest. It isn't explicitly said to be an aspect but it likely is. When he reveals himself to the player character as the Sheo it is in his plane. Also if princes could just manifest themselves on Nirn then the whole plane meld base game and Solstice plots would be pointless. We also see this with the TES IV oblivion crisis and with the Blackwoods/Deadlands quest lines. They are trying to destroy Nirn or merge Nirn with their own planes. So yes Sheo has been manifesting aspects of himself on Nirn and meddling a bit where he is able to but he tends to spirit people away to the Shivering Isles once he really wants to mess with them.

Also there are a number of quest lines, including the base game quest line where we see other daedric Princes get upset that another prince is doing stuff.

Saying that whenever he shows up it's only as an aspect of himself is assuming something that isn't in the text itself. Obviously we can interpret it as such if we want to, but it's not confirmed anywhere. That lack of confirmation is a staple of Elder Scrolls lore in general, and also leaves them room when it comes to quests and storytelling. Was Sheogorath in Southpoint an aspect? Not according to the npcs. Same with Elsweyr. Maybe in both cases he was an aspect, but we'll likely never know for certain.

I don't think Sheogorath manifesting in Nirn makes the plane meld plots pointless. The other seven might abide by it and not manifest on Nirn, using intermediaries like Azura does, but does Sheogorath strike you as someone who follows the rules? I can believe he would just do it anyway. We don't know what the consequence for going against the Compact would be for him or if he counts it as any great impediment.

Syldras

metheglyn wrote: »

I'm curious, too, about how much time is meant to have progressed. If previously everything was happening in the same year, then it would seem to me that time has progressed for every previous zone/chapter/story. So Sil should be fully Sil this time. Of course, if Sheogorath is on Nirn as a mortal, without power, doing the equivalent of sight-seeing--that's probably not against the Compact. Any chaos that ensues might not be his doing directly. I have a feeling Sheogorath is always going to find some loophole in the Compact if he's ever actually pressed to account for his actions.
Side note: was it the Sheogorath quest line that is comprised of six quests? I thought Thieves Guild was six, and Sheogorath was eight. Either way, both of them are set to be fairly lengthy and involved, which I like.

Before I'm off to the chores, I wanted to add a bit here that came to my mind when I was writing about the upcoming storylines in our other thread.

So, first of all: I'm not 100% sure, but I was taking notes during the stream yesterday, and I had jotted down 6 quests for Sheogorath and 8 for the Thieves Guild.

I also want to put the 2026 content trailer here for debate, that also includes what we've seen of the Sheogorath questline so far (minus the little view into that new building we had in that stream yesterday):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjE88kBxwk

What do we see (for people who can't or might not want to watch the video right now)?

- The house interior, including a Sheogorath shrine, and a summoning circle. Which makes me think he didn't just appear, but was summoned. Though convincing some mortal to conduct a summoning also seems a little silly as a way to circumvent the Coldharbor Compact, no? Wouldn't that just happen all the time then, if it was that easy?

- Sheogorath smelling cheese in some cave (not sure if that's an Indoril style candle stand in the background?).

- Sheogorath doing some silly walk at the cheese festival at Dubdil-Alar on Vvardenfell.

- Sheogorath watching a Bosmer summon something in an Ayleid ruin.

- Sheogorath turning something into cheese in some Vvardenfell tavern, causing chaos at the same location with floating chairs and tables, and dogs sitting at a table playing Poker Tales of Tribute, which I think means Sheogorath turned people into dogs? There's also a Dark Seducer and a random goat in the background, and the Bosmer from the Ayleid ruin is also there. Which makes me think he's possibly the one who did the summoning.

Eporem

The house that is seen in this video - would it be the Kushalit Sanctuary - there is a loading screen somewhere that says it is an abandoned shrine to Sheorgorath - if it is then I think it would have been a Dunmer that would have summoned him - if he was summoned because it is full of daedric and dunmer furnishings - so a mystery still of why a Bosmer is shown with him...unless it has something to do with the claim of their rightful heirs and I think the Wabbajack was used on the ones around the table - and I wish butterflies were not associated with Sheorgorath unless they are meant to symbolize transformation..

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Kushalit_Sanctuary
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wabbajack

metheglyn

The house isn't Kushalit Sanctuary. I'm not sure where it is, but when they showed it on the stream, it was a standard looking house from the outside, and Sheogorath house on the inside--much larger than the outside would lead you to believe. They also mentioned that there's a possibility the house might become player housing in the future.

As for the images--it's hard to know what the story thread is from a few disparate images in a trailer. In the ESO direct stream from the 31st of March, the story was explained as Sheogorath wants to see what it's like to be a mortal, so he divests himself of his power and comes to Tamriel. His power is then grabbed somehow by someone--or they attempt to grab it anyway--and chaos happens. So if Sheogorath is meant to be without power, I doubt he would be the one turning things into other things. He may just be enjoying the chaos. Or, if he doesn't like his power being used by someone else, he may be trying to figure out how to get his power back.

The Bosmer could be meant to signify the player character's role--tour guide or hapless associate of Sheogorath--or he could be another npc in the mix.

The summoning aspect is one that bothers me a little precisely because if those bound by the Compact could just be summoned by mortals onto Nirn, it's not much of a Compact. Not to mention, seems like the other seven would have been summoned long before now, since we've seen that every Prince has dedicated followers/worshippers.

Jaimeh

I think the same every time I hear 'what happened to bludgeoning someone to death with a wheel of cheese' in the Cyrodiil base, his brand of quirky egomaniac sadism becomes really tiresome during his quests.

Eporem

metheglyn wrote: »

The house isn't Kushalit Sanctuary. I'm not sure where it is, but when they showed it on the stream, it was a standard looking house from the outside, and Sheogorath house on the inside--much larger than the outside would lead you to believe. They also mentioned that there's a possibility the house might become player housing in the future.

As for the images--it's hard to know what the story thread is from a few disparate images in a trailer. In the ESO direct stream from the 31st of March, the story was explained as Sheogorath wants to see what it's like to be a mortal, so he divests himself of his power and comes to Tamriel. His power is then grabbed somehow by someone--or they attempt to grab it anyway--and chaos happens. So if Sheogorath is meant to be without power, I doubt he would be the one turning things into other things. He may just be enjoying the chaos. Or, if he doesn't like his power being used by someone else, he may be trying to figure out how to get his power back.

Maybe it was the Bosmer then that grabbed his power..

Syldras

Eporem wrote: »

The house that is seen in this video - would it be the Kushalit Sanctuary

This is Kushalit. I live there.

Eporem

Did you summon Sheorgorath then

Syldras

Eporem wrote: »

Did you summon Sheorgorath then

No, right now I'm too busy figuring out how to resurrect Mannimarco. I have him in a box in my basement. I have already prepared a ritual chamber. Only a few small details, and Tamriel has him back. No new Planemeld this time though, I promise!

Syldras

In case anyone wants to see how the questline description looks like in the collection menu:

Soarora

I’m concerned by how many cheese references are in the patch notes. I think I will do this questline this week and will report if I am in despair or if the cheese is balanced out by good writing.

eashi

Soarora wrote: »

I’m concerned by how many cheese references are in the patch notes. I think I will do this questline this week and will report if I am in despair or if the cheese is balanced out by good writing.

Godspeed and thank you for your sacrifice, I mean testing.