If anything, will PC get dropped?

madman65 · November 7

Now that we can actually see just how much participation is being put into the wall, makes me wonder if PC will be dropped. All the consoles ARE by far working the wall faster so what do you think?

LunaFlora · November 7

well eventually the Wall will drop on PC?
or are you genuinely asking if ESO will not be on PC anymore?

twisttop138 · November 7

Dropped as in on their head? I kid but I'm not sure what you mean?

The wall progress is widely thought to be all BS. Zos has already fiddled with the numbers multiple times. Admitted and not admitted. Someone here showed last week a 6% jump on pcna in just a few hours. No matter what their pressers say about "oh we got bets going on who wins" the most likely scenario is that the winner was picked on who will benefit pr the most. So obviously an Xbox. We will all win within a couple days of each other.

Furyous · November 7

madman65 wrote: »

Now that we can actually see just how much participation is being put into the wall, makes me wonder if PC will be dropped. All the consoles ARE by far working the wall faster so what do you think?

It's all smoke, mirrors, and BS.

ZOS has implemented different progress rates for each platform and keeps changing them on the fly to hit whatever internal goals they’ve set.
When PC/NA moved too fast, they slowed it down.
When it moved too slow, they sped it up.
Participation has nothing to do with it.

I suspect the content isn’t ready, so Phase Two got pared down into a copy of Phase One.
And I don’t think Phase Three is ready at all.

They’re scrapping together a piecemeal solution to make it look like an event.
But all the king’s horses and all the king’s men couldn’t put this Humpty Dumpty of an “event” back together again.

valenwood_vegan · November 7

No, they're not going to "drop pc" because of a made up participation meter.

Furyous · November 7

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

No, they're not going to "drop pc" because of a made up participation meter.

I think he meant will the wall drop on PC, not that ZOS would drop the PC platform

valenwood_vegan · November 7

Furyous wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

No, they're not going to "drop pc" because of a made up participation meter.

I think he meant will the wall drop on PC, not that ZOS would drop the PC platform

Ah that's possible, if I misunderstood then I do apologize. But they have to give people the content they already paid for so the wall will certainly come down on PC eventually.

Syldras · November 7

Furyous wrote: »

I suspect the content isn’t ready, so Phase Two got pared down into a copy of Phase One.
And I don’t think Phase Three is ready at all.

I hate this event just like anyone else, but when people accidentally showed up at East Solstice wayshrines after update 48, it sounded like everything was already ready over there. And phase 3 only adds a dungeon. It was already well playable on PTS, so I don't think big adjustments needed to be made there.

Though this makes it even worse, from my point of view: The content seems to be ready, but still, they make us do boring chores for weeks before allowing us to access what we've already paid for.

SilverBride · November 7

I thought the same thing @valenwood_vegan did.

@madman65 please clarify.

Are you asking if they will drop PC as a platform or if the wall will drop on PC servers?

soelslaev · November 7

Well, if they revealed specific numbers so that we all knew the ratio and per capita rates were truly fair, then they would be revealing exact player analytics and ZOS specifically tries to keep that secret. I'm trying to figure out how they got this contest approved with execs knowing it would highlight the numbers.

scrappy1342 · November 7

soelslaev wrote: »

Well, if they revealed specific numbers so that we all knew the ratio and per capita rates were truly fair, then they would be revealing exact player analytics and ZOS specifically tries to keep that secret. I'm trying to figure out how they got this contest approved with execs knowing it would highlight the numbers.

probably because they've done this with every other zone event that had a status bar. it was just less subtle and there were dates given. most of the time we were able to get to 100% before the dates they gave, so it was nice.

Elvenheart · November 7

madman65 wrote: »

Now that we can actually see just how much participation is being put into the wall, makes me wonder if PC will be dropped. All the consoles ARE by far working the wall faster so what do you think?

Drop PC…I’m sorry, but <eyeroll>.

Syldras · November 7

SilverBride wrote: »

I thought the same thing @valenwood_vegan did.
@madman65 please clarify.
Are you asking if they will drop PC as a platform or if the wall will drop on PC servers?

I also thought the same. And if it's truly meant like that it shows one thing at least: This event generating unneccessary animosities between player groups. I'm not sure if this was intended.

SeaGtGruff · November 7

My feeling is that the target goals that ZOS set for each platform and server are probably determined by the number of active characters on each, or perhaps just the number of active accounts. That would seem to be the only fair and reasonable way to do it, in my opinion.

And my feeling is that console players are probably more dedicated to the game than PC players, simply because there are so few ESO players on console as compared to PC, so the ones who are playing ESO on console are probably very much invested in the game and dedicated to it.

In contrast, there might be a lot more players on PC than console, but I think a percentage of them must not be as invested in and dedicated to the game, for whatever reasons.

Maybe it's because buying a console requires more dedication to gaming in the first place, whereas a PC is a more generic type of device (as far as the types of things it can be used for) and more households are likely to own a PC of some kind (be it a desktop model or a laptop) than a dedicated gaming console. So maybe as far as raw numbers, there are more people who play-- or have tried-- ESO on PC versus console, but maybe the average ESO player on PC isn't as dedicated to ESO as is the average ESO player on console.

As far as NA versus EU, I have a feeling that a lot of people in the NA playerbase tend to be more cynical, more prone to push conspiracy theories of various types, and less spirited about the game than people in the EU playerbase seem to be. I don't know that this is true-- it's just a feeling I have-- but it makes me feel sad for the NA playerbase. And keep in mind, the PCNA server is my primary server, although I do spend a lot of time playing on PCEU as well. But PCNA is the server I began on, and the one where I spend the most Crowns, and I certainly have no desire to think ill of my fellow PCNA players. But it feels like the general attitudes on PCNA and PCEU tend to be a bit different for whatever reason.

SilverBride · November 7

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

And my feeling is that console players are probably more dedicated to the game than PC players, simply because there are so few ESO players on console as compared to PC, so the ones who are playing ESO on console are probably very much invested in the game and dedicated to it.

In contrast, there might be a lot more players on PC than console, but I think a percentage of them must not be as invested in and dedicated to the game, for whatever reasons.

This has nothing to do with dedication to the game. For myself, I don't want to use my play time doing activities I find grindy and tedious and boring. I'm still playing the same amount I normally do. I'm just not putting that time into the wall.

Kappachi · November 7

madman65 wrote: »

Now that we can actually see just how much participation is being put into the wall, makes me wonder if PC will be dropped. All the consoles ARE by far working the wall faster so what do you think?

What does "dropped" mean? As far as I know, PCNA is by far the largest population the game has, given it's an MMO, the economy and activity of zones, guilds, etc and how a majority of players have PCNA in their signatures here give me no doubt it's the "superior" platform. It's all a matter of adjusting numbers to keep up with that amount of players probably since some people want to do the event on some days but not others.

tomofhyrule · November 7

OP is clearly saying “consoles have a higher percentage and are therefore more active, while PC has a lower percentage and is therefore dead,” which is allowing them to make the argument that ESO should be shut down on PC and be a console-only game because of lack of interest.

Obviously, OP kinda skipped over the fact that even ZOS themselves directly said that the different servers all have different end goals, so any comparison is moot. Saying “I finished my race in 10 seconds and they’re still running!” doesn’t mean a thing if you were doing a 100-m dash and the others are doing a full marathon.

Not to mention that Microsoft’s whole philosophy now is “PC = XBox,” so no Microsoft property now would want a console-only game anymore.

But the whole thing is that some people took ZOS’s stupid “you should have server pride!” event to its inevitable conclusion: trashtalking other servers because they’re not your server. Remember when ESO used to be about making community instead of driving division?

Syldras · November 8

tomofhyrule wrote: »

But the whole thing is that some people took ZOS’s stupid “you should have server pride!” event to its inevitable conclusion: trashtalking other servers because they’re not your server. Remember when ESO used to be about making community instead of driving division?

They still do that "ESOFam" stuff. Today's take:

Is this still ESO?
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/68957

Carcamongus · November 8

For a while I had that "doing my part" spirit, but now I'm just doing this grind for the rewards. I've come to believe our actions either don't matter for the percentage progress or they're not the only thing moving those numbers. What's the point of having servers compete to see which one unlocks the content first? I care little if Xbox "wins", I just want access to the stuff for which I paid.

valenwood_vegan · November 8

Well, if we're now gonna start broadly generalizing about different groups of players based on the fake participation meter, then I'm proud to be playing on PC/NA, where we're intelligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless and our time is better spent doing something other than this event

Danikat · November 8

If you mean is it possible the event will fail on PC and they'll never get past the wall then no, that can't happen. There is no way for the event to fail completely. The worst that could happen is everyone stops actively participating so progress is only made coincidentally when players happen to do the camp events or kill relevant enemies because they were there. Every single player on a server would have to make a deliberate effort to avoid participation to stall it completely, and even then it would only stall, not fail.

But the reality is ZOS have a schedule and they will keep us to it no matter what we do. They've repeatedly made manual adjustments to both speed up and slow down progress (if I remember right the first adjustment was to remove progress from PC servers for going too fast). They want one server to "win" and likely want it to be an Xbox one because it fits Microsoft's current marketing, but they won't allow anyone to fall too far behind. The gap between Xbox EU (the leading server) and PC NA (in last place) has consistently been 25% since about the middle of phase 1.

If you mean will they stop support for PC servers then no, as other people have said they are not going to drop an entire platform because of made up participation scores. They told us before the event started that each server had their own goal to reach (which at the time was taken to mean the less populated console servers would need to do a lot fewer quests) and they've openly adjusted the numbers at least 2 or 3 times. ZOS have made some very strange decisions but dropping what they've previously claimed is 1/3 of their playerbase because they decided they wouldn't win a fake race would be impressively stupid.

Vaqual · November 8

Wouldn't be surprised if the actual progress per quest is actually divided by total concurrent players per platform. So if all 5 PS-EU players hand in a quest the meter might move far faster compared to 5 players handing in a quest on PC-NA, where the remaining 99995 are busy filming the same exact same build video over and over.

Orbital78 · November 8

Vaqual wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if the actual progress per quest is actually divided by total concurrent players per platform. So if all 5 PS-EU players hand in a quest the meter might move far faster compared to 5 players handing in a quest on PC-NA, where the remaining 99995 are busy filming the same exact same build video over and over.

I've been busy fishing, but have been doing some quests too. I just found a furnishing plan for one of the jaw sconces that drop from the invasion bosses in delves which was surprising. I wonder if there is a plan for all.

SeaGtGruff · November 8

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Well, if we're now gonna start broadly generalizing about different groups of players based on the fake participation meter, then I'm proud to be playing on PC/NA, where we're intelligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless and our time is better spent doing something other than this event

You clearly believe that it's a "fake participation meter," and many others have essentially voiced that same sentiment. And it seems that you all believe your unproven conspiracy theory is a fact, and I suppose you feel that anyone who doesn't buy into that unproven conspiracy theory clearly isn't "inteligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless." Abd I feel like that is precisely why PCNA's progress is so far behind the other servers' progress.

If you don't care about the event and the race to unlock Eastern Solstice, then that's fine. But when there are a whole bunch of players on PCNA who feel the same way and cannot be bothered to participate, don't blame the lack of progress in the meter on some conspiracy theory, because the real reason for the slow progress is staring back at you from your bathroom mirror.

Whatever. The rest of us will get Eastern Solstice unlocked sooner or later. Your help would be welcomed, but we'll get there with or without your help.

SilverBride · November 8

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

...the real reason for the slow progress is staring back at you from your bathroom mirror.

The REAL reason is the grinding nature of this event. Doing the same exact quests day by day, over and over, and nothing significant being added to the phases is NOT fun and exciting. And nothing but a 2 minute quest when reaching phase 2... it couldn't be more anticlimactic.

Players are not to blame for not wanting to spend their game time beating their heads against the wall for a measly .1 progress at a time.

Necrotech_Master · November 8

its really hard to tell honestly, because of the multiple number changes in phase 1, i think PC NA specifically was given unrealistic thresholds

from my understanding they changed the number thresholds several times in the first week (one to slow us down, and 2 more to speed us up)

not to mention each server probably has their own thresholds (as we dont know what any of the behind the scenes numbers for the event are as each server could have different thresholds)

for example if they were scaling thresholds based on population, they could have set PC NA at say 100,000 and XB EU at 10,000

since its a % value, we could be 25%, and they could be 50%, but them at 50% means only 5000 contribution where as us with 25% would be 25,000 contribution

with these types of events with no visible numbers, theres no way to really tell from our perspective how things are going

Danikat · November 8

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Well, if we're now gonna start broadly generalizing about different groups of players based on the fake participation meter, then I'm proud to be playing on PC/NA, where we're intelligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless and our time is better spent doing something other than this event

You clearly believe that it's a "fake participation meter," and many others have essentially voiced that same sentiment. And it seems that you all believe your unproven conspiracy theory is a fact, and I suppose you feel that anyone who doesn't buy into that unproven conspiracy theory clearly isn't "inteligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless." Abd I feel like that is precisely why PCNA's progress is so far behind the other servers' progress.

If you don't care about the event and the race to unlock Eastern Solstice, then that's fine. But when there are a whole bunch of players on PCNA who feel the same way and cannot be bothered to participate, don't blame the lack of progress in the meter on some conspiracy theory, because the real reason for the slow progress is staring back at you from your bathroom mirror.

Whatever. The rest of us will get Eastern Solstice unlocked sooner or later. Your help would be welcomed, but we'll get there with or without your help.

What makes you think everyone who thinks the 'race' is fixed is on the same server?

Kappachi · November 8

Just seems to be helldiver II style changes on the fly which don't really correlate to the proper playerbase for PCNA vs the other servers honestly. I hope they make adjustments to turbo PCNA up to the other servers because there are plenty in the camp turning in/taking quests whenever I visit, and I always at least max out the crafting quests since they're so simple to hand in and can have blue/purple plans/that new item worth 70k.

valenwood_vegan · November 8

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You clearly believe that it's a "fake participation meter," and many others have essentially voiced that same sentiment. And it seems that you all believe your unproven conspiracy theory is a fact, and I suppose you feel that anyone who doesn't buy into that unproven conspiracy theory clearly isn't "inteligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless." Abd I feel like that is precisely why PCNA's progress is so far behind the other servers' progress.

If you don't care about the event and the race to unlock Eastern Solstice, then that's fine. But when there are a whole bunch of players on PCNA who feel the same way and cannot be bothered to participate, don't blame the lack of progress in the meter on some conspiracy theory, because the real reason for the slow progress is staring back at you from your bathroom mirror.

Whatever. The rest of us will get Eastern Solstice unlocked sooner or later. Your help would be welcomed, but we'll get there with or without your help.

Sorry you didn't recognize the tongue-in-cheek nature of my response. It was intended to demonstrate the absurdity of making generalizations about others.

I will say, however, that as you've recognized, I do believe the event meter is "fake" in the sense that it has little or no relationship to the number of people playing or their levels of participation in the event across servers. Zos has stated that different thresholds were set for each server and we don't have any information about what those are or what they were based on. Zos has also directly manipulated the meter since the event started. This doesn't "prove" anything, you're right - but the "feeling" that the event meter is somehow closely reflective of the participation level and attitudes of players on a certain server is no more "proven". [Or that, as relates to the original topic, the meter should potentially be viewed as indicating that certain servers should be dropped].

DenverRalphy · November 8

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

You clearly believe that it's a "fake participation meter," and many others have essentially voiced that same sentiment. And it seems that you all believe your unproven conspiracy theory is a fact, and I suppose you feel that anyone who doesn't buy into that unproven conspiracy theory clearly isn't "inteligent enough to realize that our efforts are meaningless." Abd I feel like that is precisely why PCNA's progress is so far behind the other servers' progress.

If you don't care about the event and the race to unlock Eastern Solstice, then that's fine. But when there are a whole bunch of players on PCNA who feel the same way and cannot be bothered to participate, don't blame the lack of progress in the meter on some conspiracy theory, because the real reason for the slow progress is staring back at you from your bathroom mirror.

Whatever. The rest of us will get Eastern Solstice unlocked sooner or later. Your help would be welcomed, but we'll get there with or without your help.

Sorry you didn't recognize the tongue-in-cheek nature of my response. It was intended to demonstrate the absurdity of making generalizations about others.

I will say, however, that as you've recognized, I do believe the event meter is "fake" in the sense that it has little or no relationship to the number of people playing or their levels of participation in the event across servers. Zos has stated that different thresholds were set for each server and we don't have any information about what those are or what they were based on. Zos has also directly manipulated the meter since the event started. This doesn't "prove" anything, you're right - but the "feeling" that the event meter is somehow closely reflective of the participation level and attitudes of players on a certain server is no more "proven".

To be fair, when they did make changes, ZOS did go out of their way to mention that those changes were made uniformly across all servers. Do they have the ability to control how fast they are completed? Sure. But barring any evidence to the contrary, the only manipulation thus far has been to ensure the first place server can't hit Phase 3 before U48 lands on consoles. But again, as far as we know those changes are being made uniformly across all servers. Regardless which server is in the lead.

MasterSpatula · November 8

The different servers obviously have different target numbers, based on population numbers that may not actually represent the number of players who are actually active on any server. (For example, I've taken a few breaks over the years, but still kept my sub active).

Beyond that, being in last place, to me, merely shows that PCNA is the most "over it" of any of the servers. By that token, I'd say PCNA is actually winning.