So... So... A Molag Bal branded bed.

xencthlu

I might get moderated for this? But I'm repeating hard lore that you can find in the game, in other ES games, and on the wiki with just a little effort. Molag Bal is the King of [snip]. He has [snip] multiple characters in the canon, most famously when he made the original vampire, Lamae Beolfag.

And now his cult has released this beautiful new bed for you to... Well, this is awkward.


I kind of understand how we got here. Maybe you just forgot the lore! Or, it's a new zone, it's exciting to be fighting old enemies, we already have Deadlands furniture for Dagon, who's the god of just destroying the whole world. But it's not as value neutral as generic world destruction. It's accurate to describe it as a [snip] styled bed - a name for Bal you can find, again, in game - and that's weird and uncomfortable and like 60 furnishings in this update were released like this. The [snip] branded furniture -- now a global name in mattresses!

Can we get a name change? Maybe to like... Vampiric? Please. A simple name change would make this a million times less disturbing.

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Soarora

It's called "Worm Cult Bed, Canopy Full"...? It's Worm Cult styled. The Worm Cult follows Mannimarco (The King of Worms), not Molag Bal, and Mannimarco is an ambitious necromancer, not an assaulter.

Edit: Okay, to be specific, the Worm Cult do seem to praise Molag Bal in some of their ambient dialogue (I read the UESP page after posting this), but the Worm Cult is still Mannimarco's crew. Doesn't mean they're all in it for the reason you're describing. It does have a skull on it (Mannimarco's symbol) as opposed to Molag Bal's head (Molag Bal's symbol), after all.

colossalvoids

Also wanted to say it's a worm cult but even if it had some molag imagery or reference by name, it's just a bed, a place for sleep. It's not that deep or offensive.

IncultaWolf

Aylish

Poor Worm Cultist. Not allowed to sleep in anything but an iron maiden…

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings,

While we understand the initial point of this thread, we have edited the original post (and title), so that it stays within the guidelines of the Community Rules.

Regards,
-Greg-

Syldras

To me it doesn't look Daedric or Coldharbor-related at all, so it didn't make me think of Molag Bal. From my point of view it's basically just sinister kitsch for mortals (since for some reason, practitioners of necromancy all need to enjoy staring at skulls 24/7 in Tamriel) - not meant negatively, I actually like what I've seen of the Wormcult furnishings so far (although we could debate how much sense it makes for a forbidden cult to have their own furniture).

I'm more concerned we can directly tell depressed Darien to go jump into a Soul Reaper. But that's a different topic.

Mattymoo92

xencthlu wrote: »

I might get moderated for this? But I'm repeating hard lore that you can find in the game, in other ES games, and on the wiki with just a little effort. Molag Bal is the King of [snip]. He has [snip] multiple characters in the canon, most famously when he made the original vampire, Lamae Beolfag.

And now his cult has released this beautiful new bed for you to... Well, this is awkward.


I kind of understand how we got here. Maybe you just forgot the lore! Or, it's a new zone, it's exciting to be fighting old enemies, we already have Deadlands furniture for Dagon, who's the god of just destroying the whole world. But it's not as value neutral as generic world destruction. It's accurate to describe it as a [snip] styled bed - a name for Bal you can find, again, in game - and that's weird and uncomfortable and like 60 furnishings in this update were released like this. The [snip] branded furniture -- now a global name in mattresses!

Can we get a name change? Maybe to like... Vampiric? Please. A simple name change would make this a million times less disturbing.

[Edited for Inappropriate Content and Language]

What a silly thing to complain about

Nemesis7884

Sometimes i understand why devs dont read the forum...ppl really get agitated about every little tid bit...would be nice if the forum can start focusing more on constructive critcism to make the game - that is intended for a mature adult audience with adult writing and content - better.

LittlePinkDot

Who wants a worm cult/Molag Baal bed?

Give me a Sanguine styled bed with red silk sheets, roses and wine glass holder.

Sadras

Got to hand it to the Worm Cult though, unlike some people, they can design beds that a person can comfortably sleep in. This looks like solid craftsmanship and has a reasonable mattress.
Looking at you, druids, with your uneven rocks. Join the Worm Cult instead for Altmeri comfort and lessened back pain.

Syldras

I guess this is the bed they promised us here
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Join_the_Order_of_the_Black_Worm!

Sadras

There we have it! Perfection! If anything, they undersold it.

MjolnirVilkas

Here I am visiting these forums every once in a while and remember once again why I don't interact with community more, at least here.

I thought this game was rated M?

xencthlu

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings,

While we understand the initial point of this thread, we have edited the original post (and title), so that it stays within the guidelines of the Community Rules.

Regards,
-Greg-

This is baffling and completely changes the meaning of the thread. The specifics matter here. I had already significantly self-censored, removing all but the beginning and end letter of the word. Was the problem that it was too comprehensible? That people could understand what I was saying with a token amount of effort?

Changing the words changes the meaning. Unlike what some people here are claiming, words mean things. Words have specific meanings.

This is in the game. As everyone keeps pointing out, this is a rated M game. This is a forum for the game. Why can we not talk about the specific content that was put into the game? What other implemented content are we not allowed to talk about in the words the content itself uses?

Here: Whenever the mods edited my post to refer to Molag Bal, I used the title Vivec gives to him, because he is a god of (snip). Explicitly, in the lore, in multiple places you can find right now, via in game lore books such as here, or on UESP.



And you can have the King of (snip)'s branded bed! Made by his cult, for you! To... Oh dear.

We can avoid this entire, entirely too unpleasant to talk on the forums about conversation by changing the name to something like, for instance, "Dark Daedra," or "Obsidian."

Syldras

If it helps you, imagine that's the opulent and dramatic-looking bed crafted for the King of Worms himself. Since Mannimarco doesn't live barefoot in a cave in this era yet, he surely needs a bed.

NoticeMeArkay

I fail to see the issue here.

Syldras

The only issue I have is that it's called "Worm Cult Bed, full".
For that, it's rather empty

tomofhyrule

I mean… it’s not called “Molag Bal Bed,” it’s “Worm Cult Bed.” There is no Molag Bal branding on it—that’s a Necromancer’s skull for a necromancer’s cult.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there an Elder Scrolls game in which the necromancer leader of the Worm Cult was specifically trying to usurp Molag Bal? So… it’s more like the Worm Cult is a Mannimarco thing than a Bal thing in the first place.

Soarora

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I mean… it’s not called “Molag Bal Bed,” it’s “Worm Cult Bed.” There is no Molag Bal branding on it—that’s a Necromancer’s skull for a necromancer’s cult.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there an Elder Scrolls game in which the necromancer leader of the Worm Cult was specifically trying to usurp Molag Bal? So… it’s more like the Worm Cult is a Mannimarco thing than a Bal thing in the first place.

Yes, there is an Elder Scrolls game in which the necromancer leader of the Worm Cult was specifically trying to usurp Molag Bal... it's this one hahaha. Mannimarco wants to become a god which is why he wants the Amulet of Kings so badly-- to mantle Molag Bal and become the new Daedric Prince of Domination. He does succeed at becoming a god at the end of Daggerfall but by becoming a new one (the god of necromancy) as opposed to mantling one.

Rohamad_Ali

Mattymoo92

xencthlu wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings,

While we understand the initial point of this thread, we have edited the original post (and title), so that it stays within the guidelines of the Community Rules.

Regards,
-Greg-

This is baffling and completely changes the meaning of the thread. The specifics matter here. I had already significantly self-censored, removing all but the beginning and end letter of the word. Was the problem that it was too comprehensible? That people could understand what I was saying with a token amount of effort?

Changing the words changes the meaning. Unlike what some people here are claiming, words mean things. Words have specific meanings.

This is in the game. As everyone keeps pointing out, this is a rated M game. This is a forum for the game. Why can we not talk about the specific content that was put into the game? What other implemented content are we not allowed to talk about in the words the content itself uses?

Here: Whenever the mods edited my post to refer to Molag Bal, I used the title Vivec gives to him, because he is a god of (snip). Explicitly, in the lore, in multiple places you can find right now, via in game lore books such as here, or on UESP.



And you can have the King of (snip)'s branded bed! Made by his cult, for you! To... Oh dear.

We can avoid this entire, entirely too unpleasant to talk on the forums about conversation by changing the name to something like, for instance, "Dark Daedra," or "Obsidian."

No idea what your actual problem is with the bed 🤨

Even if it was a Molag Bal branded bed, it would make sense the worm cult aren’t exactly good people, they bring back the dead I doubt a lil SA is off the cards worshiping the god of such

mdjessup4906

Because vamps and daedra are so all about consent?

And its apparently not even called molag bal bed? If it was the complaint would make a little bit more sense.

MashmalloMan

It's a miracle this post is allowed to stay up given the forum police's ridged attitude the majority of the time. Despite this, they chose to believe you're providing constructive criticism, and censored the parts they could to keep this post up within their policies.

Maybe you should be grateful and focus on your argument instead of complaining about censorship, you want an open platform, go to Reddit.

Alphawolf01A

I find it odd that it's against the rules to mention these subjects in the forum, that is about a game where these subjects are regularly mentioned.

colossalvoids

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

I find it odd that it's against the rules to mention these subjects in the forum, that is about a game where these subjects are regularly mentioned.

The game and forums have different age restrictions and policies.

robpr

Maybe he likes to snip-snip on the comfy bed? Lack of consent does not mean it has to be some shrivelled bedding or table

xencthlu

Soarora wrote: »

It's called "Worm Cult Bed, Canopy Full"...? It's Worm Cult styled. The Worm Cult follows Mannimarco (The King of Worms), not Molag Bal, and Mannimarco is an ambitious necromancer, not an assaulter.

Edit: Okay, to be specific, the Worm Cult do seem to praise Molag Bal in some of their ambient dialogue (I read the UESP page after posting this), but the Worm Cult is still Mannimarco's crew. Doesn't mean they're all in it for the reason you're describing. It does have a skull on it (Mannimarco's symbol) as opposed to Molag Bal's head (Molag Bal's symbol), after all.

I would find this more persuasive if the Worm Cult were summoning Mannimarco's daedra (which he does not have) and trying to planemeld Tamriel into Mannimarco's plane of Oblivion (which he also does not have.) Notably, Coldharbour isn't just the place that Molag Bal lives. It is, itself, Molag Bal. His soul and body, as much as his other bodies, which is why it is as nasty as it is. When they're summoning Molag Bal's daedra and trying to make Tamriel into part of Molag Bal's essence, the argument they worship Mannimarco feels pretty facetious.

Zenimax trying to get cutesy with the King of (snip) feels like another example that there's no hand on the wheel, with a unifying vision for the Elder Scroll's design and story, as much as any wildly shallow combat change. There's a formula Zenimax follows for everything from combat design, to housing, to lore and story, and no one is looking between the development silos and going "Hold on, can you explain why we're doing <x>?" or "You know that over on the <y> team, <z> is happening?" I just don't think anyone who works on assets and furnishing names has ever taken one glance at the lore and gone "Yeesh, maybe we shouldn't play coy and flirty with *every* antagonist. Maybe some characters are meaningfully different from others, and we should handle them accordingly." So you get unintended consequences like... This. Or the Vengeance campaign chopping a week off Whitestrike's Mayhem Golden Vendor discounts. Or overlapping events. Or PVP nerfs hamstringing PVE performance.

They're all related. It's just rarer we see the consequences of a lack of cross-team coordination over in the realms of lore and housing development.

Vaqual

I think making the evil guys evil is part of the idea.

CameraBeardThePirate

xencthlu wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

It's called "Worm Cult Bed, Canopy Full"...? It's Worm Cult styled. The Worm Cult follows Mannimarco (The King of Worms), not Molag Bal, and Mannimarco is an ambitious necromancer, not an assaulter.

Edit: Okay, to be specific, the Worm Cult do seem to praise Molag Bal in some of their ambient dialogue (I read the UESP page after posting this), but the Worm Cult is still Mannimarco's crew. Doesn't mean they're all in it for the reason you're describing. It does have a skull on it (Mannimarco's symbol) as opposed to Molag Bal's head (Molag Bal's symbol), after all.

I would find this more persuasive if the Worm Cult were summoning Mannimarco's daedra (which he does not have) and trying to planemeld Tamriel into Mannimarco's plane of Oblivion (which he also does not have.) Notably, Coldharbour isn't just the place that Molag Bal lives. It is, itself, Molag Bal. His soul and body, as much as his other bodies, which is why it is as nasty as it is. When they're summoning Molag Bal's daedra and trying to make Tamriel into part of Molag Bal's essence, the argument they worship Mannimarco feels pretty facetious.

Zenimax trying to get cutesy with the King of (snip) feels like another example that there's no hand on the wheel, with a unifying vision for the Elder Scroll's design and story, as much as any wildly shallow combat change. There's a formula Zenimax follows for everything from combat design, to housing, to lore and story, and no one is looking between the development silos and going "Hold on, can you explain why we're doing <x>?" or "You know that over on the <y> team, <z> is happening?" I just don't think anyone who works on assets and furnishing names has ever taken one glance at the lore and gone "Yeesh, maybe we shouldn't play coy and flirty with *every* antagonist. Maybe some characters are meaningfully different from others, and we should handle them accordingly." So you get unintended consequences like... This. Or the Vengeance campaign chopping a week off Whitestrike's Mayhem Golden Vendor discounts. Or overlapping events. Or PVP nerfs hamstringing PVE performance.

They're all related. It's just rarer we see the consequences of a lack of cross-team coordination over in the realms of lore and housing development.

You're reading way too much into this.

If you want to get pedantic, at least get the lore right. The Worm Cult couldn't care less about Molag Bal; they follow Mannimarco, the King of Worms (it's literally in the name).

Mannimarco himself is only going along with the Planemeld so he can kill and take Molag Bal's power. In fact, he actively works against Molag Bal.

The Worm Cult is a Necromancy cult. Not a domination cult, or anything else. The latest expansion doesn't really even have anything to do with Molag Bal, outside of whatever tangential relationship there is with Mannimarco's soul being trapped in Coldharbour and some random daedra factions.

Syldras

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

If you want to get pedantic, at least get the lore right. The Worm Cult couldn't care less about Molag Bal; they follow Mannimarco, the King of Worms (it's literally in the name).
Mannimarco himself is only going along with the Planemeld so he can kill and take Molag Bal's power. In fact, he actively works against Molag Bal.
The Worm Cult is a Necromancy cult. Not a domination cult, or anything else. The latest expansion doesn't even have anything to do with Molag Bal, outside of whatever tangential relationship there is with Mannimarco's soul being trapped in Coldharbour.

They do pretend to be a Molag Bal cult, at least. We know Mannimarco has different ideas, but does the average cultist know? The game has Worm Cultist background chatter about worshipping Molag Bal ("We serve the master, Molag Bal.", "Molag Bal, God of Schemes, we come to do your bidding.", etc). In Solstice, they now cooperate with Molag Bal's daedra, specifically with the Darkbinder clan. We literally see them together in dungeons. Then, we've also got this letter from West Solstice:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Our_Darkbinder_Allies
East Solstice also has a few Worm Cult items that have both the usual skull stuff as well as Molag Bal's head as a symbol on them.

As how this all even makes sense after Molag Bal learnt of Mannimarco's betrayal and imprisoned him in Coldharbor to torture him forever?! We never get an explanation, sadly. All we get in Solstice is "Yeah, they're back and they're allies".

What's true though is that Molag Bal has different foci, and the Worm Cult is about the necromancy and soul-collecting stuff. It's even specified at some point that they're basically worshipping Molag Bal through harvesting souls for him.