Parasaurolophus wrote: »Most accounts don’t last longer than six weeks. Those are Rich’s words.
And, just tossing ideas... any thoughts on 'why'?
I mean, the game has tons of content, really well-done content, fully voiced over, relatively good combat mechanics, and more.
So... why might new players only play 6 weeks? 6 weeks seems to be long enough to get into pretty deep gameplay... so... hmm, wonder... possibly unnecessarily complex combat methodology? Just a thought...
I partially agree.All I know is that I just read the patch notes and saw that my pure class build is getting beat hard with the nerf stick. I could only get some of the things I'm losing back by subclassing, which means I have even less interest in playing the game than I already did.
But we'll focus one here: WoW.
Honestly, what can a casual player not do in u47 that they could do in u45?
Ragnarok0130 wrote: »It's hard to convince people to stay let alone buy loot boxes if you can't use a crafting bag or do other basic things without a sub
Let's see, what did I touch upon (although I doubt you even read what I wrote to begin with).
So where is the unfair comparison? Especially considering ESO isn't even a "generic MMO" itself, sharing a title with one of the most successful RPG game series. And.... if WoW is doing all of these things (ESO does not do) and maintains a mostly positive forum community (ESO does not have), then clearly it all does help to make it "the most popular MMO"—unless you're just that deep into the "must cover for Zenimax and ESO" Kool Aid pitcher. I mean, seriously; you would think one would simply see it as ways Zenimax should be changing.... yet here we are instead trying to find more excuses for them, a common theme here I also don't ever see on other forums, by saying it's just so unfair. Although to actually be fair, I think it's too late at this point anyway.... but whatever, haha.Try coming back with a generic MMO and show how THEY did these sorts of actions and succeeded in the long term. If you can't then, this is a BAD decision on the part of ZOS. Using the most popular, historically, MMO (which is for reasons NOT like what we are dealing with) then you are unfairly comparing.
Let's see, what did I touch upon (although I doubt you even read what I wrote to begin with).
1. "MMOs as they age can't make everyone happy, all MMO forums are more negative."
2. "MMOs can't make fundamental changes that many players want because it costs too much or is simply impossible."
3. "Games don't ask people why they quit or are playing less."
90% casual players contribute ~5-30% of game income in MMO, therefore the rest of your reasoning means nothing to Zeni.
What in the world are you talking about. My original post that you replied to was quoting DreamyLu and consisted of direct replies to what they were saying that covered the 1-3 you just quoted above. You replied to what I wrote about those three things, again, in response to what DreamyLu said, just dismissing whatever I wrote just because it was based on WoW. So, I replied back to you giving you other examples of older MMOs since clearly using the "most popular MMO" wasn't reasonable in your mind (which still makes no sense). So who is straw manning who here exactly? Not that I'll be replying to anything else you say from here on out because you really just outed yourself with that last reply anyway.Let's see, what did I touch upon (although I doubt you even read what I wrote to begin with).
1. "MMOs as they age can't make everyone happy, all MMO forums are more negative."
2. "MMOs can't make fundamental changes that many players want because it costs too much or is simply impossible."
3. "Games don't ask people why they quit or are playing less."You start by quoting my argument, then go on to utilize things I never said or agreed with, but point out the flaws with those comments as if I said them? I mean, I've seen straw men, but wow this is ridiculous. The people talking about forums being negative were others, my only mentions about costs are dealing with how Microsoft terminated a bunch of people and might affect things at ZOS (and not sure if I even mentioned THAT on this thread), and I don't think I ever said anything about games not asking players why they quit (only supposed potential answers based on amount of time they played).
I DID read your post(s)- however, based on this last one, I seriously doubt you are reading mine, OR you aren't paying attention to WHO is the person writing them, and if that- then you are simply reading to argue against. Very much like a person who isn't hearing what others say, only listening to respond, IE. waiting for silence and catching keywords to fuel an argument.
The problem is that creates scenarios like the one you just gave, where you give arguments that I actually have solidly agreed with, thus NOT being arguments against my stance, yet you seem to think they are, which shows you really aren't reading for comprehension, maybe not even paying attention to the 'who' for authors of the posts. A lot like dealing with Microsoft Support anymore, it's all AI, and all it ever does is look for keywords to respond with scripted comments. It never actually listens or comprehends- just replies.
What in the world are you talking about. My original post that you replied to was quoting DreamyLu and consisted of direct replies to what they were saying that covered the 1-3 you just quoted above. You replied to what I wrote about those three things, again, in response to what DreamyLu said, just dismissing whatever I wrote just because it was based on WoW. So, I replied back to you giving you other examples of older MMOs since clearly using the "most popular MMO" wasn't reasonable in your mind (which still makes no sense). So who is straw manning who here exactly? Not that I'll be replying to anything else you say from here on out because you really just outed yourself with that last reply anyway.Let's see, what did I touch upon (although I doubt you even read what I wrote to begin with).
1. "MMOs as they age can't make everyone happy, all MMO forums are more negative."
2. "MMOs can't make fundamental changes that many players want because it costs too much or is simply impossible."
3. "Games don't ask people why they quit or are playing less."You start by quoting my argument, then go on to utilize things I never said or agreed with, but point out the flaws with those comments as if I said them? I mean, I've seen straw men, but wow this is ridiculous. The people talking about forums being negative were others, my only mentions about costs are dealing with how Microsoft terminated a bunch of people and might affect things at ZOS (and not sure if I even mentioned THAT on this thread), and I don't think I ever said anything about games not asking players why they quit (only supposed potential answers based on amount of time they played).
I DID read your post(s)- however, based on this last one, I seriously doubt you are reading mine, OR you aren't paying attention to WHO is the person writing them, and if that- then you are simply reading to argue against. Very much like a person who isn't hearing what others say, only listening to respond, IE. waiting for silence and catching keywords to fuel an argument.
The problem is that creates scenarios like the one you just gave, where you give arguments that I actually have solidly agreed with, thus NOT being arguments against my stance, yet you seem to think they are, which shows you really aren't reading for comprehension, maybe not even paying attention to the 'who' for authors of the posts. A lot like dealing with Microsoft Support anymore, it's all AI, and all it ever does is look for keywords to respond with scripted comments. It never actually listens or comprehends- just replies.