U46: Banner bearer keeps turning itself off!

DenverRalphy

Desiato wrote: »

A trick I use in trials is turning it off during moments of opportunity. For example, between trash pulls if the group is pushing the pace and while crossing bridges during the Kaz fight in vOC.

I just keep turning it off whenever I'm not in a boss fight, or perhaps even mini-boss fights with a bunch-o-adds. Though admittedly it's more for courtesy than conservation. The visual cluster-muss of multiple banner bearer effects in trials is getting a bit outa hand.

KekwLord3000

exiars10 wrote: »

@Sarannah

There are no sustain issues with Banner and is still "just" slightly OP. If there were any serious sustain issues, nobody would run it, and yet - my personal casual experience - in 3/4 PUG trial runs somebody use it, and in 1/4 trail runs, two players use it. I see it much less in PUG dungeons.

I run it in overland when I farm Auridon dolmens for jewelry and skill progression, no food/drink buff, I spam skills, and still no sustain issue. It's your build.

About build types, banner bearer is now much more lopsided against any non-hybrid build.

Just no.
On my abovementioned Bosmer Sorcerer stamina healer/support I have only two magicka skills: Energy Orb & Power Surge. Everything else are stamina skills and most of them are spammable (Shield Throw; Torchbearer; Echoing Vigor; Vault). It works without any issue.

TL; DR
You want to use OP skill without investing a bit of in sustain.

Dolmens are a bad example since every wave all your resources gets full, but it really not hard to sustain banner if OP wants to run it in overland he needs to check his build out, I play tri stat food (both in raids and in overland since I have auto consume addon) and never had issues with sustain, unless it's an extremly long delve I need to go through I just turn the banner off mobs die in overland in like 1 shot anyways banner won't make or break a build.

katanagirl1

virtus753 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Just keep an eye on it and turn it on again when it turns off. It’s not exactly difficult to miss the giant flag on your back.

Different people have different visual processing, so what’s very easy for some to notice is not at all easy for others. I can see my flag clearly when I’m by myself outside of combat, but the flag gets hopelessly lost in the visual business of fights.

When my group’s on Orphic, for example, and we have numerous hot pink AoEs of Death competing to kill all of us at any given time, plus a massive sparkly boss rampaging around to follow, an angy Xoryn popping up in unexpected places, Ruinachs pirouetting through group, and especially towards the end a crowd of gloom shapers channeling their tiny little hearts out, my character is absolutely the last thing I can see clearly and quickly in the middle of all that.

So I use the banner icon on my skill bar, since the skill bar is much easier for me to distinguish as a visual layer separate from the fight and my eyes are there every so often to double check timers. I won’t necessarily catch it the very second it drops, but within a few seconds, and it’s rare enough that this way works for me when watching my flag would just result in needing to be rezzed on repeat.

I do see the arguments for the upsides of the cost change. It’s the auto-off aspect that I find yet another stressor when I least need it. Banner doesn’t drop for me when things go well, so this is something for me to remember to check on only in the middle of the extra stress of trying to recover from something unexpected. That’s the harder part of this change for me — the processing in content, not the resource cost.

Ah, I probably glossed over the scribing stuff because that is the only skill I use.

I meant, as far as a warning goes, about a player post here. PC gets the patch two weeks earlier and I really thought I would have heard some grumbling about having to re-scribe skills since that was the case.

mdjessup4906

They did refund us the ink for the skills, so no complaints here. Inks been fairly easy to get too, especially if you run trials alot. I get loads from trial chests.

DenverRalphy

And just like that... Banner Bearer goes >Poof!< with the next update (well, for arcanist anyway). From the patch notes on PTS today...

mdjessup4906

Sad. I like my flag:(
Even despite the annoying turning itself off.

Jestir

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And just like that... Banner Bearer goes >Poof!< with the next update (well, for arcanist anyway). From the patch notes on PTS today...

While it deserves a nerf, i thought it would be about the timings. Maybe it would be changed to every 7.5 seconds but they have chosen to pretty much just delete arc banner as it has the same effect as inspired scholarship now

Desiato

DenverRalphy wrote: »

And just like that... Banner Bearer goes >Poof!< with the next update (well, for arcanist anyway). From the patch notes on PTS today...

This actually made me happy. The worst time I had dding in eso was when banner was paired with exhausting because sometimes I could just chain 3 beams in a row, no flail necessary.

Like flail flail beam is a challenging rotation. Why would anyone even care?

Before banner, I used to joke "I can't remember how to flail flail beam" and then they actually simplified it more!

I look forward to more interesting beam builds hopefully.

katanagirl1

We’re not happy that banner is doing exactly what we designed it to for arcanist so we are changing it. Lol.