Interesting & Cool Build Concepts For Subclassing

Cooperharley · May 26

With subclassing on the horizon, we all know that there is going to be a pretty clear META for several roles in PVE. BUT - what are some of your interesting and different off-META build combos and ideas that you're wanting to try?

Im going to be giving a solo hunter build a go! Dark magic from sorcerer primarily for crit surge, assassination from NB for high damage passives and abilities, and animal companions from warden for the bear ulti

Elvenheart · May 26

Me, i’m starting off with one of the most obvious choices out there - an Elementalist with Lightning from Sorcerer (base class), Ice from Warden, and Ardent Flame from Dragonknight. I don’t really expect it to be any better than a pure sorcerer, and it might even be worse, but for me the testing I’ve done so far has been fun.

Later on I’m going to experiment by adding a Necromancy line to my Nightblade vampires. I don’t know which line yet, I may pick one for one of the characters and a different one for the other. I’m just so glad I will be able to stop calling them Redblades because the Grim Focus perma-glow is going to become the Grim Focus sometimes-glow!

After that, I may look into the best ways to make my no pet sorcerers better by getting rid of just the Daedric Summoning line they mostly don’t use anyway except for Conjured Ward and finding them something more useful.

Cooperharley · May 27

Elvenheart wrote: »

Me, i’m starting off with one of the most obvious choices out there - an Elementalist with Lightning from Sorcerer (base class), Ice from Warden, and Ardent Flame from Dragonknight. I don’t really expect it to be any better than a pure sorcerer, and it might even be worse, but for me the testing I’ve done so far has been fun.

Later on I’m going to experiment by adding a Necromancy line to my Nightblade vampires. I don’t know which line yet, I may pick one for one of the characters and a different one for the other. I’m just so glad I will be able to stop calling them Redblades because the Grim Focus perma-glow is going to become the Grim Focus sometimes-glow!

After that, I may look into the best ways to make my no pet sorcerers better by getting rid of just the Daedric Summoning line they mostly don’t use anyway except for Conjured Ward and finding them something more useful.

I just made a necromancer to try this same thing, except doing more necro than nightblade! Going for grave lord, bone tyrant and shadow for a DB/thieving/vampire character!

Iselin · May 27

Cooperharley wrote: »

With subclassing on the horizon, we all know that there is going to be a pretty clear META for several roles in PVE. BUT - what are some of your interesting and different off-META build combos and ideas that you're wanting to try?

Im going to be giving a solo hunter build a go! Dark magic from sorcerer primarily for crit surge...

Wrong Sorrc skill line. Crit Surge is from Storm Calling.

Cooperharley · May 27

Iselin wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

With subclassing on the horizon, we all know that there is going to be a pretty clear META for several roles in PVE. BUT - what are some of your interesting and different off-META build combos and ideas that you're wanting to try?

Im going to be giving a solo hunter build a go! Dark magic from sorcerer primarily for crit surge...

Wrong Sorrc skill line. Crit Surge is from Storm Calling.

Thats what I meant :P

Vonnegut2506 · May 27

I know everyone thinks that Assassination is going to be the main skill line that people pillage from Nightblades, but I think I will take Shadow for more characters than Assassination. Cloak is something I wish I had on most of my non-Nightblade characters. I'm also looking at the zookeeper build for at least one sorcerer with Animal Companions. I'm not sure which other one to tack onto that though as I don't really like the necro pets, so I might just throw on Jesus Beam for an execute or siphoning from NB for sustain.

francesinhalover · May 27

Cooperharley wrote: »

With subclassing on the horizon, we all know that there is going to be a pretty clear META for several roles in PVE. BUT - what are some of your interesting and different off-META build combos and ideas that you're wanting to try?

Im going to be giving a solo hunter build a go! Dark magic from sorcerer primarily for crit surge, assassination from NB for high damage passives and abilities, and animal companions from warden for the bear ulti

honestly, subclassing is rather... anticlimatic and unfinished.
this past days i have been making builds using online build editors.
The system itself while interesting doesn't work most of the time.

The good thing is. thanks to us being able to create our skills with scribing we can fix some issues we might face while making builds.

SilverIce58 · May 27

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Anyways, I think I'm going to take out Daedric Summoning for Winter's Embrace on my sorc, and maybe also swap Dark Magic for Siphoning. A couple of my Argonians will swap one of their class lines for a new one. My templar Lifts-Wamasu replacing the heal line with Earthen Heart, my warden Xhiak getting Siphoning for green balance, or Aedric Spear for animal companions. My necromancer definitely will be swapping out his dps and healing lines for maybe Winter's Embrace and maybe Siphoning or Aedric Spear. Theres a couple of skill lines I really like lol that I'll definitely be giving out.

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Zodiarkslayer · May 27

My StamSorc will drop Daedric Summoning for Assassination, bringing her to crit damage cap, pen cap and over 60% crit chance, making her a truely frightening Pirate Queen.

My BeamTemplar will drop Aedric Spear for Herald of the Tome. I know it sounds like a Meme build, but I always wanted a ranged playstyle for her. Now I can get it.

My StamDen will take Bone Tyrant instead of Winter's Embrace for a truly awesome Bleed Damage build.

My MagCro is getting Aedric Spear and Shadow, making her a true Dark Knight.

I am still playing around with a Poison Damage focused Dragonknight build, but the problem is the spammable.

Cerbolt · May 27

I'm going to try and make a proper Frost Mage since I can finally get rid of the damn animals.

So winters embrace, and I'm thinking grave lord since it has frozen colossus and boneyard. I'm unsure about the 3rd skill line, maybe assassination from a dps boost.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · May 27

Cerbolt wrote: »

I'm going to try and make a proper Frost Mage since I can finally get rid of the damn animals.

So winters embrace, and I'm thinking grave lord since it has frozen colossus and boneyard. I'm unsure about the 3rd skill line, maybe assassination from a dps boost.

Arcanist has frost on its damage skill line if you're looking for a 3rd.

SilverIce58 · May 27

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It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

Benzux · May 27

Been super excited for subclassing for this particular reason and spent several hours the other day planning stuff out for my characters.

The one swap I knew I wanted to do immediately once Subclassing was announced was for my stam Arcanist, replacing Soldier of Apocrypha with Storm Calling from Sorcerer to fully lean into her pirate theme, grabbing Hurricane, Endless Fury and Lightning Flood to replace some of the Arcanist skills. Since I'll mostly be doing Physical damage with the new skill line giving a smidge of shock damage, Storm Calling's passives will also suit her nicely.

For my stam Dragonknight wearing Azureblight and Maarselok, I want to go all-in on the poison & disease damage, so Draconic Power is gonna be dropped in favour of Grave Lord from Necromancer so I can get access to Pestilent Colossus, Blighted Blastbones, Detonating Siphon and Venom Skull. On a side note, please let us put Poison and Disease damage on more Scribed skills! Only having Vault, Trample and Travelling Knife (only half of it, as the initial hit still deals physical damage even with the script) to play with is agony.

Other ideas I have are more tentative and will need to be looked at when subclassing actually drops, like swapping out Winter's Embrace and possibly even Green Balance from my stam Warden to other skill lines with passives that support a Werewolf the best, while also offering something that I might use on him when he's not transformed, or making my Dragonknight & Nightblade healers more versatile by picking up more dedicated healing skill lines from other classes.

Cazador · May 27

My nightblade is going to pick up animal companions but I'm not sure what else. I basically want to make them a ranger and go all in on maximizing the damage the bear can do.

Cerbolt · May 27

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Cerbolt wrote: »

I'm going to try and make a proper Frost Mage since I can finally get rid of the damn animals.

So winters embrace, and I'm thinking grave lord since it has frozen colossus and boneyard. I'm unsure about the 3rd skill line, maybe assassination from a dps boost.

Arcanist has frost on its damage skill line if you're looking for a 3rd.

Oh nice I forgot about arcanist thanks

Cooperharley · May 27

SilverIce58 wrote: »

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It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

Yea and these people are complaining to other players essentially who have no ability to change anything. The time for change on the PTS is over and as we all imagined, ZOS barely did anything to change anything, and we likely won't see change until U47, so rehashing is kinda silly IMO, but its the ESO forums lol

Maggusemm · May 27

there will be really cool possibilities not only for dds and tanks but also for healers. I mean having no real purge with some classes was really a drawback, for example for dungeons.

Now, Sorcerer Healer can use templar purge ritual skill which is really cool.

I will also experiment with some skill lines giving additional magicka regeneration to be able to change enchants and mundus for more healing power.

Will be cool for example to mix warden, sorcerer and templar healer skills also

opaj · May 27

The first build I'll be working on is for my treasure hunter Sorcerer.

She'll keep Dark Magic, as she makes heavy use of daedric mines to keep enemies at bay while she's looting the place. Curative Runeforms will give her a portal to slip past particularly tough-looking monsters, and Shadow will give her cloak in a pinch, another trap to place on the ground, and a teleport option in the form of a summoned shade. She'll just be zipping all over the place.

Eventually I also want to work on my ice mage, who will probably get Grave Lord and Herald of the Tome. I hope that ZOS releases some frost-themed skill styles Abyssal Impact, Bone Yard, and Frozen Colossus (Frost Atronach, anyone?).

francesinhalover · May 27

SilverIce58 wrote: »

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It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

I strongly disagree. The feedback needs to be given for improvements to happen, if they can happen.
And people are free to give it if they so wish too.
Wont elaborate further.

SilverIce58 · May 27

francesinhalover wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

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It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

I strongly disagree. The feedback needs to be given for improvements to happen, if they can happen.
And people are free to give it if they so wish too.
Wont elaborate further.

Thats fine, people can give their opinions if they want. All im saying is dont be surprised when people develop negative reactions to what youre saying especially when its not on topic bc the topic is interesting and cool subclass ideas, not what do you think is wrong with subclassing.

Cooperharley · May 27

francesinhalover wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Quoted post has been removed

It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

I strongly disagree. The feedback needs to be given for improvements to happen, if they can happen.
And people are free to give it if they so wish too.
Wont elaborate further.

You must be new here

They very rarely do anything close to what the playerbase asks lol. Have you been following the PTS cycle this patch?

Iselin · May 27

Well, the first subclassed skill line I'll be leveling is Assassination (just like most of us, I suspect).

Both because my main is an Oakensoul HA sorc who will be dropping Dark Magic for that, but also to have it ready to go leveled to 50 for many of my alts when I get around to subclassing them.

I doubt that I will do any with three classes. Just drop the "weak link" from a class and replace just that one.

I'm also not prioritizing Herald of the tome for other classes because the Class mastery scripted banner skill that replenishes crux is just too good to pass on. As I understand it, the only class mastery you can use is from your original class as it stands in U46.

LunaFlora · May 27

for an all pets build
- Animal Companions
- Daedric Summoning
- Grave Lord or Living Death for Skeletal Mage or Spirit Mender. Though Necromancer's pets aren't permanent so I'm unsure if i want them.

a build with the "weapon" skills seems fun too
- Aedric Spear (spear)
- Assassination (blade and spectral bow)
- Bone Tyrant (scythe)

all beams
- Herald of the Tome for Fatecarver
- Dawn's Wrath for Radiant Oppression
- Soul Magic for Soulstrike, non class so you could do this on any class

I'm sure I'll think of more when i can actually use Subclassing in June ^_^ I'm excited for it

francesinhalover · May 27

Cooperharley wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Quoted post has been removed

It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

I strongly disagree. The feedback needs to be given for improvements to happen, if they can happen.
And people are free to give it if they so wish too.
Wont elaborate further.

You must be new here

They very rarely do anything close to what the playerbase asks lol. Have you been following the PTS cycle this patch?

Been here for years now. sometimes? things tend to barely change during pts.
the thing is. The feedback we give now, can be seen and taken into account for the next pts/if the system ever gets improvements.
Granted people can just talk without much reason, outside of wanting to talk.

francesinhalover · May 27

Iselin wrote: »

Well, the first subclassed skill line I'll be leveling is Assassination (just like most of us, I suspect).

Both because my main is an Oakensoul HA sorc who will be dropping Dark Magic for that, but also to have it ready to go leveled to 50 for many of my alts when I get around to subclassing them.

I doubt that I will do any with three classes. Just drop the "weak link" from a class and replace just that one.

I'm also not prioritizing Herald of the tome for other classes because the Class mastery scripted banner skill that replenishes crux is just too good to pass on. As I understand it, the only class mastery you can use is from your original class as it stands in U46.

why assassination? if for the the passives aedric spear has the best ones.

Iselin · May 27

francesinhalover wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Well, the first subclassed skill line I'll be leveling is Assassination (just like most of us, I suspect).

Both because my main is an Oakensoul HA sorc who will be dropping Dark Magic for that, but also to have it ready to go leveled to 50 for many of my alts when I get around to subclassing them.

I doubt that I will do any with three classes. Just drop the "weak link" from a class and replace just that one.

I'm also not prioritizing Herald of the tome for other classes because the Class mastery scripted banner skill that replenishes crux is just too good to pass on. As I understand it, the only class mastery you can use is from your original class as it stands in U46.

why assassination? if for the the passives aedric spear has the best ones.

Maxing out crit chance and crit damage. Same reason most of us use the Thief mundus.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · May 27

I have 1 line of Necro, 1 line of Nightblade, and 1 line of Arcanist planned for my tanks.

Haven't sorted out the theorycrafting exactly, yet, but the basic premise is she's a Namiran reachwitch, and while Necromancer class-sets are on theme (Nobility in Decay), Nightblade is explicitly keyed as the "void" class, and Arcanist has some abilities that are pretty similar to the NPC Void Mage class, like Tendrils.

The hardest part is trying to stay away from Crux as an Arcanist, or abilities that have pages/books - I currently have an ongoing RP plotline for my character to bond with a book, but I'm not sure it'll work - and she can't read, in-character anyways (you should see the mental gymnastics I have to do to pick up quests caused by letters...). So I'm still considering how it will all work.

There's a few other theming choices that will affect it, like what sort of skill colors come out (Namiran void colors for the NB class would make it obvious, rather than the current Sithis void colors, for example).

tsaescishoeshiner · May 27

I'm looking forward to adding Streak to my warden to combine all 3 parkour skills into one. Streak for distance, Frozen Retreat for porting people to you, and Nature's Grasp for reaching others. It used to take a warden and a sorc together, but now it's all-in-one! It would reduce damage if I try to use it for combat, though, as Animal Companions has more for DPS than just Storm Calling.

I also really like max movement speed builds for PvP, and this is a lot easier now with all classes having access to Hurricane (Concealed Strike technically helps, but can wind up being dead bar space), which comes with Streak and Surge as a nice bonus.

And for my Archive warden, I might switch out Animal Companions for Draconic Power. The buffs to blocking, health recovery, healing, and armor would help out and let me change some CP, and the AoE interrupt would really help those higher Arcs where enemies just crowd together and all start casting something lol. Ardent Flame would be helpful for the Major Breach and guaranteed poisoned status effect from Noxious Breath, if sustaining it were easy enough on magicka-based build.

Pixiepumpkin · May 27

SilverIce58 wrote: »

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It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

No, YOU have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, there are new people learning about the ins and outs daily, if not hourly regarding subclassing.

As old threads get buried, and new ones arise, its good to have a balanced conversation that illustrates the pros and cons.

SilverIce58 · May 28

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

[quote[Quoted post has been removed

It is unnecessary at this point. We all have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, and rehashing it every time theres a topic is not adding to the topic. Do I think we should not ever bring it up? No, criticism is important for growth. However not every topic about subclassing needs the reminder.

No, YOU have an understanding of what subclassing is going to do, there are new people learning about the ins and outs daily, if not hourly regarding subclassing.

As old threads get buried, and new ones arise, its good to have a balanced conversation that illustrates the pros and cons. [/quote]

Okayyy?? And they will be able to look into those other threads that come up when they come up, that's fine and I agree that conversation around the heavily discussed topic of subclassing is necessary however there is a time and a place for that conversation and is not necessary at all times, especially when the topic is not discussing the ins and outs of subclassing, but what new builds people are interested in making. If you want to create another 6 threads about subclassing go ahead. Far be it from me to stop someone doing something that doesnt affect me.

fizzylu · May 28

Jeez, what is up with these forums and people trying to tell others what they can and can't reply in regard to a subject of a thread (me being a little bit of a hypocrite here, but still haha).