Are you keeping ESO+?

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I cancelled already

I cancelled mine a while back, and have yet to see a compelling reason to resub.

Fenris_Arainai

Other

I bought mine for a year shortly before this, so now I have a year to see how it plays with this pass thing, and then decide whether to continue or not.

TaSheen

I cancelled already

@moderatelyfatman - thanks, that was a kind thing to say! I wish you all the best in game in the future.

BXR_Lonestar

Yes, for craftbag

ESO is pretty much unplayable without the craftbag, so yes, I'm going to keep it. I also still think it has decent value. If the actual gameplay ends up being bad after release of subclassing, etc., then I will cancel while I go no-life Oblivion Remastered and wait for the devs to fix things in this game. But my hope is that the changes aren't/won't be as bad as I fear they could be.

Sarannah

Other

Despite the complaints, downsides, and problems with and around ESO, this is still a great game. Therefor I want to keep ESO around, and have no problem paying for a good game. So I am keeping my ESO+ active.

But I do agree with those saying ESO+ and loyal subscribers have been getting the dark side of the moon lately, this is something ZOS needs to work on. As this may actually cost them more subscribers.
Would love to see ZOS add discounts for subscribers, based on months subscribed. And deals for buying ESO+ months, similar to crown pack discounts, but based on duration(40% discount for the yearly). Basically making it worth it to have an active subscription and to keep an active subscription.

Cooperharley

Yes, for craftbag

Quite literally the only reason I sub is for the craft bag and kinda sorta for dungeons. Mainly craftbag. I don't think they'd ever remove that, but with the nightmare that storage and inventory management is in this game, I don't think i'd play the game without it. I don't want the game to be about inventory organization lol and it'd turn into that. Id rather log in, play and not worry about that kinda stuff

Pevey

Sarannah wrote: »

Despite the complaints, downsides, and problems with and around ESO, this is still a great game. Therefor I want to keep ESO around, and have no problem paying for a good game. So I am keeping my ESO+ active.

But I do agree with those saying ESO+ and loyal subscribers have been getting the dark side of the moon lately, this is something ZOS needs to work on. As this may actually cost them more subscribers.
Would love to see ZOS add discounts for subscribers, based on months subscribed. And deals for buying ESO+ months, similar to crown pack discounts, but based on duration(40% discount for the yearly). Basically making it worth it to have an active subscription and to keep an active subscription.

I agree. I think they missed an opportunity to reinforce the value of ESO plus and perhaps increase subscriber count and percentage of time subscribers stay subbed (I know a lot of ppl only sub once in a while, like during certain events).

They could have made the content pass part of ESO plus. The content would roll out bit by bit over the year. Once you claim it, you "own it," like the most recent companions. So people who don't sub because they wouldn't own the content are satisfied. But since the content trickles out, you really need to stay subbed. I bet subs would have gone up enough to offset loss of the $50 per pass upfront revenue. Pre-purchase bonuses could have been tied to subbing or renewing for a full year. Most people would have been happy. But instead we have this model that makes most people unhappy. And this would have been MUCH easier to understand for newer players and easier to explain. Even the ZOS ees on the stream trying to explain seemed to have a hard time keeping it straight.

DigiAngel

I plan to cancel as soon as I can

I bought 6 months worth (first time ever) at the beginning of the year. I won't renew.

Horny_Poney

Other

Yes for craft bag, double housing slots, double bank, furnishing vault, etc.

driosketch

Yes, for craftbag

Not just the craft bag, but housing, costume dyeing, the Crowns, and even the small bonus to exp and gold. As a long term subscriber, content has never really been a cost effective bonus. I'm not even 100% sure what I own because a lot has been given out for free over the years.

I want to reiterate, the issue seems to be with how the content pass bundled things, not with ESO+.

manukartofanu

Yes, for craftbag

I've canceled it several times before during periods when I wasn't playing much. The reality is that the main value of ESO+ for me is the craft bag and the doubled slots for bank storage, housing, and currency. As long as these features remain exclusive to ESO+, unfortunately, I won't be able to cancel it.

Silaf

Yes, for craftbag

Game is unplayable without craftbag. Well even with the craftbag the time i spend doing inventory managment is absurd.

Warhawke_80

Yes, I still want the other dlc

Yep I buy it a year at a time...as well as Crowns whenever they are on sale...considering the enetertaimnemt value I get it is quite worth it.

Dragonnord wrote: »

Bad poll.

Where is the option that says?...
".

Yeah it's just another Bad faith thread to get the haters to bang on ESO and ZoS...

Dalsinthus

Yes, for craftbag

Yes, but with Oblivion Remastered out now, I'm not buying the content pass at launch. I'll take a break for a bit and hope that the pass goes on sale as previous chapters have always done. I'm really unhappy with the game's direction, notably subclassing and the small zone. I'll keep plus to do dungeon content and catch up on things I've fallen behind on, so I'm not quitting, just going to play about 50% less.

Elvenheart

Other

TaSheen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm done. No sub, they're all (4 of them) cancelled. I have some time remaining on two accounts, but I'm SO not interested in playing any more.

Only way they could get me back would be to release Erlibru's Cottage and Tor Draioch - and even then I wouldn't sub again.

Why did you decide to quit the game entirely, just curious? Is it the content pass or more like the game isn't fun without Plus and Plus is a bad deal now?

Let's see....

First, I'm not in favor of paying "passes", especially paying for something like dungeons in which I have zero interest; second, I am ABSOLUTELY not interested in subclassing (never have been never will be); third, unless they will guarantee not nerfing pure classes, well I'm done period.

It's okay. I always know when it's time to move on.

You will be missed! 😟

Do you plan to get Oblivion Remastered?

the90thmeridian

I cancelled already

i cancelled my sub yesterday, its good to the 30th so spending a bit of time in game to mothball my toons ... i dont have another update 35 in me. not going to delete my account as i might come back in a year or so after 46 drops once the crazy has ended.

TaSheen

I cancelled already

Elvenheart wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm done. No sub, they're all (4 of them) cancelled. I have some time remaining on two accounts, but I'm SO not interested in playing any more.

Only way they could get me back would be to release Erlibru's Cottage and Tor Draioch - and even then I wouldn't sub again.

Why did you decide to quit the game entirely, just curious? Is it the content pass or more like the game isn't fun without Plus and Plus is a bad deal now?

Let's see....

First, I'm not in favor of paying "passes", especially paying for something like dungeons in which I have zero interest; second, I am ABSOLUTELY not interested in subclassing (never have been never will be); third, unless they will guarantee not nerfing pure classes, well I'm done period.

It's okay. I always know when it's time to move on.

You will be missed! 😟

Do you plan to get Oblivion Remastered?

Why thank you!

I don't have the data available for a download that large. I'm going to see if my daughter will grab it for me and ship me a stick.

SpiritofESO

Yes, for craftbag

In my opinion, the Elder Scrolls Online is the best MMORPG on the market. I cannot really include World of Warcraft because, while it is a very good game, it's graphics are so dated it's unpleasant.

I've been playing ESO since June of 2019. The only time I took a break was to play Battlefield V for 6 months, and that was a lot of a blast! (Sometimes literally.)

I started online gaming in January of 2000 with Asheron's Call. So, I consider myself an "Elder Dragon" (elder player). I have always paid for game subscriptions because I realized it was a fee for one's online entertainment. So, on April 4th of this year I purchased, without reservation, ESO Plus for 12 months, the 2025 Premium Edition, and the 2025 Content Pass.

Since the game grows and grows every year with more content and even quality of life improvements I have no problem continuing to play. But let me put this into an adult perspective. The amount of money that I paid for my ESO entertainment purchases this month for ONE YEAR is about the same as my DirecTV subscription, Apple TV+ and Paramount+ for TWO MONTHS. Therefore I still consider ESO to be a bargain, and they include 19,600 Crowns with the subscription! (However, I usually stay away from purchasing Crown crates.)

On the PlayStation Store, most players rate the Elder Scrolls Online as a five-star game.

I agree.

AaronGuilder

I cancelled already

I've cancelled. There has been a very poor show from ZOS in the last few weeks. Things we as players ask for get ignored such as more inventory space/improved banking structure/less statuettes and things we don't want get done (sub classing / Multiclassing, Game pass that is not really a pass but an annual charge for 6 months and then the reduced ESO+ that has just been reworked as it doesn't include current members so all in all, I personally feel that the long standing players with + have again been overlooked and casually cast aside in favour of new pay to play strategies.
Yes, the perks will be missed, but with current craft bag swollen with stuff from FOMO, having been stuck with 1k trans crystals and 200 reconned daggers, no further need to dye costumes, houses that need nothing more and the long drawn out CP which doesn't really gain from 10% xp boosts when there are 20 events that offer that, the bonuses are just not warranted.
I love the game, having played from year 1 with no breaks, but it's time to take a step back and see how this mess clears up. I will not stop playing, I've investested far too much time & effort and do enjoy playing, but as another poster said, I already have plenty of stock and can do a little inventory management for a few months and will buy + every few months to clear the backlog, but as I don't feel cherished any longer as a subscriber, I'll not subscribe until ZOS offer real value and look to their stalwarts for support in return.

Love you guys, you all rock!

moderatelyfatman

I cancelled already

Cooperharley wrote: »

Quite literally the only reason I sub is for the craft bag and kinda sorta for dungeons. Mainly craftbag. I don't think they'd ever remove that, but with the nightmare that storage and inventory management is in this game, I don't think i'd play the game without it. I don't want the game to be about inventory organization lol and it'd turn into that. Id rather log in, play and not worry about that kinda stuff

Why is inventory such a nightmare for a long time player when you have a full crafting bag, housing chests and storage toons? I guess if your back to playing full time it's a pain to manually get rid of everything but I've found that not having ESO+ has removed my natural habit of autolooting.

Pevey

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Quite literally the only reason I sub is for the craft bag and kinda sorta for dungeons. Mainly craftbag. I don't think they'd ever remove that, but with the nightmare that storage and inventory management is in this game, I don't think i'd play the game without it. I don't want the game to be about inventory organization lol and it'd turn into that. Id rather log in, play and not worry about that kinda stuff

Why is inventory such a nightmare for a long time player when you have a full crafting bag, housing chests and storage toons?

Because it is purposely designed to be. The number of items in the game compared to the number of inventory slots is ridiculous. It it purposely designed to be an inventory management nightmare to increase the pain as much as possible to make people spring for the craftbag. But really it just ends up turning a lot of people from the game completely since even the craftbag is not a complete cure. People come from Skyrim, where you can stack items infinitely in a chest, to ESO, where you can't even deconstruct gear to level crafting without paying for a sub. It feels bad, so they bounce.

Grizzbeorn

Pevey wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Quite literally the only reason I sub is for the craft bag and kinda sorta for dungeons. Mainly craftbag. I don't think they'd ever remove that, but with the nightmare that storage and inventory management is in this game, I don't think i'd play the game without it. I don't want the game to be about inventory organization lol and it'd turn into that. Id rather log in, play and not worry about that kinda stuff

Why is inventory such a nightmare for a long time player when you have a full crafting bag, housing chests and storage toons?

Because it is purposely designed to be. The number of items in the game compared to the number of inventory slots is ridiculous. It it purposely designed to be an inventory management nightmare to increase the pain as much as possible to make people spring for the craftbag. But really it just ends up turning a lot of people from the game completely since even the craftbag is not a complete cure.

It's not like frustrating inventory management is unique to this game. Far from it.
Every contemporary (post-Atari 5200) game that I have played intentionally made/makes inventory management a hassle.
So if it drives people away, then those people just don't like video games, in general, enough to deal with it.

Pevey

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Quite literally the only reason I sub is for the craft bag and kinda sorta for dungeons. Mainly craftbag. I don't think they'd ever remove that, but with the nightmare that storage and inventory management is in this game, I don't think i'd play the game without it. I don't want the game to be about inventory organization lol and it'd turn into that. Id rather log in, play and not worry about that kinda stuff

Why is inventory such a nightmare for a long time player when you have a full crafting bag, housing chests and storage toons?

Because it is purposely designed to be. The number of items in the game compared to the number of inventory slots is ridiculous. It it purposely designed to be an inventory management nightmare to increase the pain as much as possible to make people spring for the craftbag. But really it just ends up turning a lot of people from the game completely since even the craftbag is not a complete cure.

It's not like frustrating inventory management is unique to this game. Far from it.
Every contemporary (post-Atari 5200) game that I have played intentionally made/makes inventory management a hassle.
So if it drives people away, then those people just don't like video games, in general, enough to deal with it.

What games are you playing that have inventory management nearly as bad as ESO? Skyrim, Stardew Valley, Minecraft... all have chests were you can stash anything.

ESO is a live service game, so I can see needing to have some limits. But there is no need to purposely have hundreds of crafting materials, many more than can be stored within those limits. It is deliberate. They even changed the crating writ rewards to return not just your own level mats a few years ago, but randomly lower level mats. This was also deliberate.

There is no need at this point to have 32 different potency runes for enchanting, for instance. That is 30 too many... 30 items received by crafters on a regular basis that just clog up inventory. Very much on purpose.

BetweenMidgets

I cancelled already

Pevey wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Why is inventory such a nightmare for a long time player when you have a full crafting bag, housing chests and storage toons?

Because it is purposely designed to be. The number of items in the game compared to the number of inventory slots is ridiculous. It it purposely designed to be an inventory management nightmare to increase the pain as much as possible to make people spring for the craftbag.

To add to this, in January of 2022 I had counted up (roughly, bc maybe I missed something here or there) how many items went into the craft bag. At least, how many item types were in MY craft bag, and it was 433. That was 3 years ago. There are several new style stones each year. That is a LOT of space.

ESO is designed around inventory management. It is definitely doable without ESO+, but it does require extra time and effort.

ArzyeL

Yes, for craftbag

Yep, definitely keeping it. ESO+ is the craftbag and the extra storage space you get from it for me. Now it's also getting a furnishing vault! Finally more room in my bank.

Taggund

I cancelled already

Cancelled after trying the cyro test on PTS. With the ZOS plans for this year, I don't see subscribing or buying the new content. I'm even at the point of not logging in daily. I play with my guild once a week in Cyro, and that is about it for me. That may end with whatever they make as changes to Cyro.

Pevey

Another design decision that increases the inventory management pain is that items put into a guild bank do not stack with items already there.

To craft master writs, you need to have access to style stones. You get these (mostly) from deconstructing gear. When the game was new, there were just the racial styles, and then a few premium like Primal, etc. As pointed out above, the number of style materials has since ballooned. It is not at all practical to have these on hand without the craft bag.

For a crafting-focused group of like-minded players, you would think forming a guild and using the guild bank would be an potential solution to this. And it should be. But it's not, since the items put in don't stack with existing items. Someone would have to constantly pull out the trait materials, stack them, and put them back.

Yet another decision that makes the game less fun to make the craft bag more essential.

AzuraFan

I plan to cancel as soon as I can

It's not like frustrating inventory management is unique to this game. Far from it.
Every contemporary (post-Atari 5200) game that I have played intentionally made/makes inventory management a hassle.
So if it drives people away, then those people just don't like video games, in general, enough to deal with it.

I've played a few games with frustrating inventory, but ESO is the worst. The number of items goes up every content drop, but not the inventory slots. When was the last time they increased player inventory (except by adding 5 slots through a paid pet)? How about bank inventory?

It's pretty clear that the inventory system is limited to drive people toward ESO+ and the craft bag.

Grizzbeorn

AzuraFan wrote: »

It's pretty clear that the inventory system is limited to drive people toward ESO+ and the craft bag.

I'm not saying it isn't.

I'm saying it's an industry-wide, common feature of today's item-driven/loot-hunt games. They all do it.
And there will be someone on every one of those forums saying that THAT game is the worst.

Pevey

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

It's pretty clear that the inventory system is limited to drive people toward ESO+ and the craft bag.

I'm not saying it isn't.

I'm saying it's an industry-wide, common feature of today's item-driven/loot-hunt games. They all do it.
And there will be someone on every one of those forums saying that THAT game is the worst.

Can you name any game that you have played that has inventory management issues as extreme as ESO, or even close?