Double spec bow

Thumbless_Bot

Is this a late April Fools joke?

Thumbless_Bot

"We're allowing for over-generating stacks for this ability, so missing activation on the final stack don’t severely reduce the effectiveness of this ability - which adds up over the course of the fight. Now it allows for more wiggle room, letting you chamber up to 2 shots if you reach max stacks - which also allows for more creative use as well. As such, we're reducing the passive power of this ability slightly when using the ability similarly as before - where you fire a shot every 5-6 seconds, while increasing the passive power if you wait to use it back-to-back. This should also allow for the ability to fit into more play styles, especially for Heavy Attack builds that lost a stack of this ability every time they reached the cap."

Zallion

Lol so out of touch at this point it’s comical.

katorga

Lol, guess we know the most subclassed skill line for pvp.

sarahthes

katorga wrote: »

Lol, guess we know the most subclassed skill line for pvp.

Probably PvE also.

Voken

I'm a one-trick nightblade player, I love the class. I play the game mainly because that class exists. This is pretty insane, we all like to see our classes getting good adjustments and needed buffs, but this allows a lot of room for exploits and over-tuned combos, at everyone's reach! And now a subclassing sorcerer can weave power overload light attacks into spec bow -> streak stun -> another spec bow? As a nightblad main and lover of the class and this game's pvp, please reconsider this.

robpr

2 spec shots, finally this skill will be able to hit anything at least once.

madmufffin

Incap into double bow proc sounds hilarious

Afterip

I used to receive one arrow 15k damage, but now I will receive 2 arrows 15k and 14k damage in a row. Thanks @ZOS_Kevin, now i have no chance to survive vs nigblade.

Renato90085

hope this can only in Pve...I don't want nb PvP too strong again and my Pve nb got nerfed again...

Stamicka

I mean at this point it's Vengeance or bust. My last hope is that Vengeance gets some improvements and maintains different skills than what's available outside of Cyrodiil. Without it, I'm pretty much done.

tsaescishoeshiner

The stack limit could be 7 instead of 10 so that you had wiggle room without allowing for two. My grim focus proc almost always gets dodged because of the long dodgeable window on the skill--being able to have a second one for after the dodge could be very powerful, whether it forces out a second, cost-increased dodge, or actually lands.

Thumbless_Bot

Six sounds right to me to mitigate whatever issue, and I use that term loosely, they identified/conjured up above.

BradTheNord

I’m all for it …. Will hopefully destroy the 40k+ health meta we have been in for the last few years 🤣

katorga

assassination, winters embrace and storm calling.....

Oh yeah....40K health, stack damage not resources. If you don't have health and shimmering shield, you'll be the one eating the double merciless procs

Markytous

BradTheNord wrote: »

I’m all for it …. Will hopefully destroy the 40k+ health meta we have been in for the last few years 🤣

I think Winters Embrace, Shadow, Draconic Power players will potentially enforce this meta even harder. Pray that I am wrong!

Thumbless_Bot

Seriously can we just not rehash what we did with sorc ward? The entire gaming experience was degraded for i don't even know how long because zos decided to buff ward... and now they've seen the light.

Let's just skip the part where we get horrible imbalance for a year or 18 months while the message boards get filled with complaints about this bizarre change and and just not do it. Save everyone the time and energy...

@ZOS_Kevin

Theignson

Those ranged NB popping people in combat from 41m are going to love this.

This skill is already monstrously OP hitting harder than most ultimates.

Now you going to give them 600 FREE WD plus TWO BOWS??

Thumbless_Bot

Theignson wrote: »

Those ranged NB popping people in combat from 41m are going to love this.

This skill is already monstrously OP hitting harder than most ultimates.

Now you going to give them 600 FREE WD plus TWO BOWS??

Has anyone tested this on pts? Does the 10 stack proc hit harder than live? Is it really 600 wd?

Renato90085

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Those ranged NB popping people in combat from 41m are going to love this.

This skill is already monstrously OP hitting harder than most ultimates.

Now you going to give them 600 FREE WD plus TWO BOWS??

Has anyone tested this on pts? Does the 10 stack proc hit harder than live? Is it really 600 wd?

in my pve build 18187>18604 ,nb lost 3k penetration but own 8% crit and more150 wd,600wd is other low dmg morph
i think 2 shot is problem in pvp
but i main pve nb so i love this change

Thumbless_Bot

Renato90085 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Those ranged NB popping people in combat from 41m are going to love this.

This skill is already monstrously OP hitting harder than most ultimates.

Now you going to give them 600 FREE WD plus TWO BOWS??

Has anyone tested this on pts? Does the 10 stack proc hit harder than live? Is it really 600 wd?

in my pve build 18187>18604 ,nb lost 3k penetration but own 8% crit and more150 wd,600wd is other low dmg morph
i think 2 shot is problem in pvp
but i main pve nb so i love this change

Thanks Renato. Looks like all the meta chasing magsorcs have newly fermented cheeze unless zos corrects course here.

I get that nb is the assassin class and that this should hit hard, but it's already hits harder in one gcd than any other skill, including ultimates, in the entire game and now we're giving it two successive procs. It's beyond bananas.

Avran_Sylt

As much as I do kinda like the core idea of "ammunition", yeah not with that damage and the whole assassination subclass revolving around general crit/crit damage.

I kinda assumed all stacks would falloff on use. So you use it either as passive damage increase or keep it in rotation.

Could be cool if a Morph did something like that with no bonus damage and slightly lower scaling.

MashmalloMan

You know when I initially read the notes, I started with Sorc as that's what I main, so reading through the Bound Armaments changes was a bit of a rollercoaster.

At 1st, I thought "wow, double stacks, that will really help it stand out against it's stronger cousin; Grim Focus, how unique! It matches Crystal Weapon's double hit mechanic nicely too! Neat.. but okay, 10% nerf, that's fair for double the stacks, I don't like it, but I can swallow it. Really wish they hybridized that stamina at least."

Then I got to Nightblade's Grim Focus and suddenly every ounce of gratitude I felt changed into distain and resentment. They couldn't stop themselves from reproducing yet ANOTHER mechanic between these 2 skills. 2 stacks plus the nerf on BA makes sense, on Grim Focus it's appauling. How is BA nerfed when it already deals +50% less, doesn't heal, hits less often due to it's terrible delay, and provides an inferior 8% stam vs 300 damage? Oh.. and let's buff up that damage to 450 while we're at it lol, nevermind the potential 600 people will get by slotting and forgetting on back bar. Essentially 2x 5 piece bonuses. Better than something like Grave Lord Sacrifice which is dedicated to buffing. How does any of this make sense?

To make things even funnier, let's buff up that 2% crit chance to 2.5%, change that 3k pen that usually went over cap to 8% crit that can't be capped, hybridize MAGICKA Flood to include stamina (forgetting Bound Armaments), and while we're at it, let's declare that Daedric Summoning is no longer for no pet sorc's.. yoink.. we're taking that +10% stam/mag back. Subclass to NB, duh, you don't belong here.

Idk what dev has had it out for Sorc or why NB has this type of favouritism the past 3-4 years, but it's exhausting at this point how obvious it is. Also poor DK, most classes at least went neutral/buffed, but they just got nerfs across the board.

Thumbless_Bot

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Also poor DK, most classes at least went neutral/buffed, but they just got nerfs across the board.

They give nb double spec bow... DK gets poop rocks update... sounds about right...

xylena_lazarow

Double spec bow is far worse for PvP on its own than anything subclassing is capable of. Definitely has the feel of the 8yo designing his god character with "anti-anti-invincibility" to make damn sure he can't be countered.

ForumBully

Double spec bow could be fun if they make DK wings reflect abilities again

Thumbless_Bot

ForumBully wrote: »

Double spec bow could be fun if they make DK wings reflect abilities again

I want double whip and six stacks and double dawny. Maybe this will show how completely out of touch with reality this change is.

Deimus

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

ForumBully wrote: »

Double spec bow could be fun if they make DK wings reflect abilities again

I want double whip and six stacks and double dawny. Maybe this will show how completely out of touch with reality this change is.

If this is where we're going I want every 3rd cast of Blighted Blastbones to raise 2 Blastbones.

Thumbless_Bot

Let's just do away with stamina magicka, ult, regen and anything with stacks and cast time and make everything insta-cast infinite spammables...

I think that's where they're going with bad decisions like this.

dizzy > Dawny > spec bow > spec bow > spec bow > dawny > dawny > spec bow

Turtle_Bot

Deimus wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

ForumBully wrote: »

Double spec bow could be fun if they make DK wings reflect abilities again

I want double whip and six stacks and double dawny. Maybe this will show how completely out of touch with reality this change is.

If this is where we're going I want every 3rd cast of Blighted Blastbones to raise 2 Blastbones.

While we're at it, I want frags to stack up procs so I don't lose out on any casts if it procs while on the back bar, oh and also have it grant weapon/spell damage on either bar while the procs are available.

StarOfElyon

MashmalloMan wrote: »

You know when I initially read the notes, I started with Sorc as that's what I main, so reading through the Bound Armaments changes was a bit of a rollercoaster.

At 1st, I thought "wow, double stacks, that will really help it stand out against it's stronger cousin; Grim Focus, how unique! It matches Crystal Weapon's double hit mechanic nicely too! Neat.. but okay, 10% nerf, that's fair for double the stacks, I don't like it, but I can swallow it. Really wish they hybridized that stamina at least."

Then I got to Nightblade's Grim Focus and suddenly every ounce of gratitude I felt changed into distain and resentment. They couldn't stop themselves from reproducing yet ANOTHER mechanic between these 2 skills. 2 stacks plus the nerf on BA makes sense, on Grim Focus it's appauling. How is BA nerfed when it already deals +50% less, doesn't heal, hits less often due to it's terrible delay, and provides an inferior 8% stam vs 300 damage? Oh.. and let's buff up that damage to 450 while we're at it lol, nevermind the potential 600 people will get by slotting and forgetting on back bar. Essentially 2x 5 piece bonuses. Better than something like Grave Lord Sacrifice which is dedicated to buffing. How does any of this make sense?

To make things even funnier, let's buff up that 2% crit chance to 2.5%, change that 3k pen that usually went over cap to 8% crit that can't be capped, hybridize MAGICKA Flood to include stamina (forgetting Bound Armaments), and while we're at it, let's declare that Daedric Summoning is no longer for no pet sorc's.. yoink.. we're taking that +10% stam/mag back. Subclass to NB, duh, you don't belong here.

Idk what dev has had it out for Sorc or why NB has this type of favouritism the past 3-4 years, but it's exhausting at this point how obvious it is. Also poor DK, most classes at least went neutral/buffed, but they just got nerfs across the board.

Just your money for those overpriced crown store items you have to gamble for.