Furniture Vault only 500 stackable slots???

SpiritKitten

After all this time and everyone wanting this, it's not a craft bag with infinite slots??

SpiritKitten

And just to clarify, I have multiple mules with 215 stacked each, and multiple houses full of storage, I need a craft bag for furniture! I was SO EXCITED and then crushing disappointment.

ZOS_Kevin

Just wanted to echo what Rich said in the stream. The choice for 500 stackable slots is to make sure we maintain performance and not put additional stress on the server. This was a solid number to make sure we could provide the furnishing vault without causing a hit to performance.

PeacefulAnarchy

can you furnish directly from the vault, like your bank, or do you need to manually take things out of the fault to place them in a house?

cyclonus11

According to the stream, you would be able to access it directly from your item placement menu.

One question: Can it be accessed by anyone with decorator status? Or do you have to own the house to be able to access it?

SpiritKitten

replying to ZOS_Kevin: I heard that but I just don't believe it, to be honest.

NovaDrakkon

@PeacefulAnarchy It appears it will function the same way Storage chests do - where you don't have to have it placed in a home and can access the items tucked away in it directly from the Housing Editor.

But that you can also grab items from it if you place the Vault itself in the home, as well.

Stridig

I know. We are getting something we asked for so we should complain about it. That'll show em

SpiritKitten

Stridig wrote: »

I know. We are getting something we asked for so we should complain about it. That'll show em

It ISN'T what we asked for - it's essentially 2 mules or several chests that can be accessed from the placement menu. It doesn't have suitable capacity for serious house decorators.

Stridig

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

I know. We are getting something we asked for so we should complain about it. That'll show em

It ISN'T what we asked for - it's essentially 2 mules or several chests that can be accessed from the placement menu. It doesn't have suitable capacity for serious house decorators.

Lol. Stay mad then. I'm happy we're getting something.

James-Wayne

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just wanted to echo what Rich said in the stream. The choice for 500 stackable slots is to make sure we maintain performance and not put additional stress on the server. This was a solid number to make sure we could provide the furnishing vault without causing a hit to performance.

Hey Kevin, I wonder if you could touch on the difference between a vault with 1400 slots vs having 7 characters with 200 slots each all filled with furniture? Thats how I manage a lot of my furniture by having more characters that I use just for storage. Is that stored differently to a single vault? What about storage of items in the home itself, is that stored differently to a vault?

The vault is a great idea and 500 is better than nothing so thanks for providing the option.

SnakeDodger

I'm wondering if this is sort of a 'this is what we can do now' solution, which would open up the possibility of them maybe figuring out how to stack furniture infinitely without straining the server in the future. Getting around that code n whatnot.

msetten

Is it one vault or can you acquire multiple? (Like there are multiple chests for your house). And if there are multiple, is there a maximum?

Hamfast

Personally, I am looking forward to my new ZOS Pod... I mean furniture vault, while it would be nice if there were more slots (Something that could happen in the future) I look forward to being able to pack up all the extra cra... furniture items, like Story Stones, thrones, and other antiquities that I have piled up in several large houses...

freespirit

As an avid decorator I am really happy, whilst it will not solve all my hoarding habits it will go some way to alleviate my current "Garages"!

For me those are the biggest headache, as if I have 50 identical trees, when stored in a house they take 50 slots, in the vault they will take one.

I've had a quick look around my houses and think I will be able to clear a fair few of them....... it is not perfect but it is certainly better than nothing at all!!

SilverBride

The last thing we need is unlimited storage for furniture. I don't want my game performance to suffer because of it.

msgeek

I would echo concern over the 500 number. But it is better than nothing.

I currently have 36 bank houses storing around 16,000 furnishings.

Will it make much of a dent in that? hard to tell and too many unknowns. e.g. will bound stack with unbound stack with crown furnishings?

Based on me moving contents from one bank house to another, and those items stacking whilst in inventory I do know 220 slots doesn't go far - and that has stacking.

Realistically this means keeping only the largest stacks in the vault and having all items there's only a small number of in bank houses still. So won't help me much with decorating.

The amount of money I've effectively been forced to part with simply to store these furnishings at this point is ridiculous.

The general server performance/storage argument I don't buy. What takes up more? a list of a few thousand item id's and associated integers OR 16,000 individually placed furnishings in bank houses, including unique X + Y + Z positions and Pitch-Roll-Yaw too? Should be a no brainer.

Servers/Storage can be architected to handle (almost) arbitrarily high table sizes, returning all relevant results with (almost) arbitrarily low latency (google wouldn't work otherwise!). If the existing infrastructure can't do that, it's an architecture issue and it needs to be resolved.

I am concerned that there seems to be a war going on against component of the service that has the largest table size. Getting items out of inventories into sticker book was one of the earlier examples (the side effect of having a stickerbook was actually a really positive benefit of that though). More recently we have the example of dropping Guild Store listings to 14 days. Having the ability to list 30 items in a guildstore may have made sense when the game was new and there was only around 30 items people would buy/sell. As the game has grown, with potentially 1000's of different items being sold that 30 limit should have been bumped way up. But no, somehow, under the guise of performance improvements we're now more limited than ever.

I don't know if this is because someone doesn't understand performance at the zeni side, and thinks they're solving stuff by going on a trial and error table-splatting spree. As part of Microsoft now, I would have thought you'd have implemented an architecture capable of scaling this stuff as the service grew. Various storage mechanisms in Azure are more than capable of scaling storage of stuff like this to volumes way more than zeni would ever need, at latencies way within what's required to deliver a well performing game.

Whilst I'm on a rant about architecture - there are zero situations where a server outage in a US datacenter should cause ESO to be offline in the EU. This is a really fundamental piece of architecture design we're talking about here, and there is no reason why, with a correctly architected service it needs to happen. It's literally one of the primary benefits of having servers in different locations.

I'm hoping the 500 limit is just a cautious initial implementation with a plan to significantly increase in the future could be happening here. But if they got the architecture right in the first place a load test like this wouldn't be necessary.

I'm sorry for going on a rant here. It's only because I care about the game, and want to see everyone have a better experience. On a more positive note: I am actually really looking forward to this update. Probably more so than I've been in a number of years.

SilverBride

I really don't understand why anyone needs tens of thousands of furnishings sitting around not being used. I am an avid decorator and am working on house #50 right now and I have never used a storage house. I craft or buy what I need for my current project, then sell what I didn't end up using. The only things I store in my bank are bound items that I can't sell, or things that I use frequently.

freespirit

SilverBride wrote: »

I really don't understand why anyone needs tens of thousands of furnishings sitting around not being used. I am an avid decorator and am working on house #50 right now and I have never used a storage house. I craft or buy what I need for my current project, then sell what I didn't end up using. The only things I store in my bank are bound items that I can't sell, or things that I use frequently.

I bet your house is incredibly tidy too?

Mine isn't........ I could do with a crafting bag and furniture vault in RL or a handbag with an Undetectable Extension Charm cast on it!!

Personofsecrets

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just wanted to echo what Rich said in the stream. The choice for 500 stackable slots is to make sure we maintain performance and not put additional stress on the server. This was a solid number to make sure we could provide the furnishing vault without causing a hit to performance.

I obviously don't know the best way, but doesn't furniture stress the server whether it is in a bank spot or spammed into an otherwise vacant house zone?

SilverBride

freespirit wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I really don't understand why anyone needs tens of thousands of furnishings sitting around not being used. I am an avid decorator and am working on house #50 right now and I have never used a storage house. I craft or buy what I need for my current project, then sell what I didn't end up using. The only things I store in my bank are bound items that I can't sell, or things that I use frequently.

I bet your house is incredibly tidy too?

Mine isn't........ I could do with a crafting bag and furniture vault in RL or a handbag with an Undetectable Extension Charm cast on it!!

I am very tidy and organized and minimalistic in real life and it carries over to the game. I guess some don't understand my need to get rid of things either!

Djennku

Before anyone freaks out, the 500 items can stack to 1000.

gusthermopyle

SilverBride wrote: »

I really don't understand why anyone needs tens of thousands of furnishings sitting around not being used

To help you understand, my pespective is that I want to have a large collection of trees, rocks, plants, shrubs etc so that I can quickly experiment with what looks right for a build. Same with structures.

Otherwsie I could end up travelling all over Tamriel, looking for the right tree from furnishers, going back to the house, checking it, thinking it doesn't look right and starting again. The frustration of that would drive me nuts.

Maybe some folk manage to have an encyclopaedic memory of every item available, but I don't.

Tannus15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just wanted to echo what Rich said in the stream. The choice for 500 stackable slots is to make sure we maintain performance and not put additional stress on the server. This was a solid number to make sure we could provide the furnishing vault without causing a hit to performance.

Everyone I know just has a random large house and they just dump furniture on the ground. This HAS to be worse than adding some more slots in the vault.
instead of 1 row representing 5 paintings, we have 5 paintings that have unique locations inside a house. you can't tell me this is more performant

SilverBride

gusthermopyle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I really don't understand why anyone needs tens of thousands of furnishings sitting around not being used

To help you understand, my pespective is that I want to have a large collection of trees, rocks, plants, shrubs etc so that I can quickly experiment with what looks right for a build. Same with structures.

Otherwsie I could end up travelling all over Tamriel, looking for the right tree from furnishers, going back to the house, checking it, thinking it doesn't look right and starting again. The frustration of that would drive me nuts.

Maybe some folk manage to have an encyclopaedic memory of every item available, but I don't.

I use the preview feature in the purchase tab to see how things would look in my space before I craft or buy anything.

SilverBride

Tannus15 wrote: »

Everyone I know just has a random large house and they just dump furniture on the ground.

I don't but I have friends that do.

cyclonus11

Tannus15 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just wanted to echo what Rich said in the stream. The choice for 500 stackable slots is to make sure we maintain performance and not put additional stress on the server. This was a solid number to make sure we could provide the furnishing vault without causing a hit to performance.

Everyone I know just has a random large house and they just dump furniture on the ground.

I have several, including multiple 700-slot houses that are full.

I think even 500 slots of 1000 units each will still be a huge benefit as most of the items have multiples, and in some cases, hundreds. Example - I have hundreds of Ivory, Polished because it is used as an ingredient in some furnishing designs and won't go into the crafting bag since it's a furnishing itself. Now I can just put them in a vault and take up 1 slot instead of the hundreds they are currently taking up on the floor of my Grand Psijic Villa.

Sturmfaenger

I'm happy about it. I didn't see it coming, am happy they listened and did what they could for us, and now I'll have the equivalent of a full guild bank for furniture to use :-) I will be able to use some houses that I now just use to store furniture in, and the additional space will help to sort the slight *cough* chaos I had there. So: looking forward to try it :-)! Will my storage space eventually run full again? Very likely. Will I store furniture in houses again? Very likely. But it will be better than it is now.

Techwolf_Lupindo

A private guild bank does the same. 500 slots of stackable items, this include furniture, that are tradable. The ONLY thing this does is allow bound items to be deposited. Private guild bank may be cheaper then this thing.

I use the large free houses I got that have 700, let me say that again, 700 slots for furniture. A large house is better for storage this this thing.

A 500 slot bank vault/storage chest would be more useful then this thing.

ZOS fumble again with feedback.

Players ask for a large bank vault, what we got was 500 and restricted to furniture only.

Players ask for a furniture bag, what we got was 500 slot limited storage chest for furniture only.

ZOS took two feature players asked for and combined the worst of them into this. THIS is why folks are bitching. This is neither a large bank vault nor a furniture bag.

Sturmfaenger

As I have understood it, housing is possible directly from the vault. Housing is not possible from a guild bank Looking forward to the details on PTS on monday

DinoZavr

Kevin, 500 slots is, unfortunately, too few.
During 11 years ESO has got enormous number of items, while banking, bag, and housing storage were not increased at all.
Furnishing alone is about 6,000 different items.
Is this possibe:
- increase Furnishing bag 10x up to, let's say 5,000 slots
- make furnishings deconstructable, or at least tradeable to NPC for some tokens, which may be redeemed for materials
- increase furnishing items stacks from 200 up to 1,000
?