Serious question about classes & Role play

Faint_One

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

spartaxoxo

Look at the half that is original?

Make a themed outfit, perhaps using class styles?

Open up the skills page?

Just remember what you're doing?

Soarora

Well, isn’t that up to you? I have a necromancer concept who uses almost entirely weapon skills but is still a necromancer— he just doesn’t want everyone to know he is one.

Thysbe

Faint_One wrote: »

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

for solo content and overland I create class themed builds with matching sets + I focus on classs skills since I am tired of seeing the same skills on every character.

Macabre Vintage for a vampire NB, Morkuldin with its golden Sword for my Swordsinger Templar, Selene for a Warden. Skill styles help a bit to create a more class specific theme too.

thats doen´t solve the lack of class identity in group content (where I use meta) ofc but is at least some variety.

Pixiepumpkin

Thysbe wrote: »

Faint_One wrote: »

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

for solo content and overland I create class themed builds with matching sets + I focus on classs skills since I am tired of seeing the same skills on every character.

Macabre Vintage for a vampire NB, Morkuldin with its golden Sword for my Swordsinger Templar, Selene for a Warden. Skill styles help a bit to create a more class specific theme too.

thats doen´t solve the lack of class identity in group content (where I use meta) ofc but is at least some variety.

What do you pair with Macabre Vintage and what abilites do you run? I am running the set on my necro (man, killing AOE mobs in Public dungeons is dumb fast) but I am using the destro AOE from scribing and the bone tombstone aoe thing. I do those back to back and it blows things up.

But on a nightblade (I prefer ranged classes) I just cant make it work. I have a dark elf vamp nightblade that has been collecting dust since 2017 (I have never played nightblade to any degree outside of a farming toon). The class escapes me.

Also, I run oakensoul pretty much exclusively due to bag 200+ ping (bar swapping is not reliable).

Faint_One

Thysbe wrote: »

Faint_One wrote: »

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

for solo content and overland I create class themed builds with matching sets + I focus on classs skills since I am tired of seeing the same skills on every character.

Macabre Vintage for a vampire NB, Morkuldin with its golden Sword for my Swordsinger Templar, Selene for a Warden. Skill styles help a bit to create a more class specific theme too.

thats doen´t solve the lack of class identity in group content (where I use meta) ofc but is at least some variety.

I agree these view to create a class theme build，but my actual point is like if you pick up two other class skill lines（example：siphon&assassunation） on your templar，he is still can be called Swordsinger “Templar”？or if it will blur the line between he with your NB？

Thysbe

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

What do you pair with Macabre Vintage and what abilites do you run? I am running the set on my necro (man, killing AOE mobs in Public dungeons is dumb fast) but I am using the destro AOE from scribing and the bone tombstone aoe thing. I do those back to back and it blows things up.
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Magicka Build:

"Twisting path" (also gives you a speed boost to run right into the pack), Wall and "Sap Essence" (strong AOE) and then I "Impale" the lowest life add if necessary. Rinse and repeat last step.

Most of the time its a glorious bloodpath and I like to have all those red skills paired with the blood splatter. But this build is more about fun than performance :-).

I pair it with Bahseis (left over from when it was BIS - I recycle old golden meta sets that way) , Velothie and 1 pc slimecraw.

Thysbe

Faint_One wrote: »

I agree these view to create a class theme build, but my actual point is like if you pick up two other class skill lines（example：siphon&assassunation） on your templar，he is still can be called Swordsinger “Templar”？or if it will blur the line between he with your NB？

No - then it´s nothing - not a templar, not a NB - just a mish mash of Skills you might label some way. Class identity, which is already hanging on a thread, finally gone.

I would actually love to see a change in completely the other direction making classes viable in PVE again by adding unique utilities and characteristics to a class that are really beneficial in group content.

Xarc

Faint_One wrote: »

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

theses people maybe want a new class

Zodiarkslayer

You are thinking about it the wrong way. It is not the classes, that have the problem. It is the META. And the fact that if you do not meet the META standards you are asked to leave.
We basically have a such a tight window for META considerations, that even the smallest deviation from the 10 or so sets and the 2 or 3 classes with their relatively fixed rotations results in a significant losses or very high opportunity costs.

My Nightblades feel like true Nightblades. One is a thieving and backstabbing rogue, the other a life depleting and debilitating Siphoner. The only non class abilities I use are the respective backbar AoE weapon skills and maybe Razor Caltrops, when I feel lazy.

Similar things can be said for all of my other characters. My Necromancer, my two Arcanists, my Templar, my Sorcs, my Wardens and even the DK. The only thing I'll concede is that Necro, Warden and StamDK have weird and unwieldy class spammables, so that I am forced to use a weapon skill or make a heavy attacks build. Yet it still feels, like it fits the class.

Are they META? No. Not even close. They are good. They can do all that I want to do with them. I wouldn't dream of showing up at Veteran Trials with them, though.
But they have Identity! They have Class!

EDIT: If you want to have Class identity, you'll have to gut the META! Cut back non class sourced buffs to an absolute minimum. Minor Force, Major Expedition and that's it.
And get rid of buffs outside the Minor/Major system entirely.
And then, for gods sake, get rid off these horribly tough dps and heal checks in the Boss fights. They only exist because of the insane power creep over the last 5 years. It's not the other way around!

Erickson9610

Werewolves have zero Class identity, unless you consider Werewolf itself to be a subclass — in which it's forced to have the strongest identity out of any playstyle in the whole game.

I suppose "class identity" and "restriction" go hand in hand.

Stx

Im not sure what your question is.

You can make builds that use almost 100% class abilities if you want to. What skills you use it up to you. If you really want to dive into your class fantasy then just do that.

AScarlato

I play a Necromancer OOC, but IC as a roleplayer I do not use most of the skills. Especially given my character is "good" and most of the Necro line is illegal acts.

It's helpful to have access to the generic skill lines since it wouldn't make sense for a Necromancer to overtly use their skills at all times in Tamriel given it's customs and laws.

Elsewise even using just a few skills in your combat is enough to show you have the specific abilities and training of the job you are playing.

zaria

Stx wrote: »

Im not sure what your question is.

You can make builds that use almost 100% class abilities if you want to. What skills you use it up to you. If you really want to dive into your class fantasy then just do that.

This and none care about your build outside organized groups, yes if your dps is horrible or you fake an role you probably be kicked for harder content.

Danikat

Faint_One wrote: »

Thysbe wrote: »

Faint_One wrote: »

If you have more than half skill lines NOT from original class，HOW to proof yourself what class you are？

for solo content and overland I create class themed builds with matching sets + I focus on classs skills since I am tired of seeing the same skills on every character.

Macabre Vintage for a vampire NB, Morkuldin with its golden Sword for my Swordsinger Templar, Selene for a Warden. Skill styles help a bit to create a more class specific theme too.

thats doen´t solve the lack of class identity in group content (where I use meta) ofc but is at least some variety.

I agree these view to create a class theme build，but my actual point is like if you pick up two other class skill lines（example：siphon&assassunation） on your templar，he is still can be called Swordsinger “Templar”？or if it will blur the line between he with your NB？

Edit: This topic and this reply were posted the day before the livestream where sub-classes were announced. I know what the OP is describing will be possible in future, but didn't know that at the time and I'm not sure how they knew.

That is not possible. Siphon and Assassination are Nightblade skills so a templar cannot use them.

Are you saying you want ZOS to make that possible, but you're concerned about how it would affect class identity? If you're trying to suggest a change to the game it would help to make that clear in your first post.

If you mean what happens when a templar uses World or Guild skills or others which are available to all classes then I think there's 3 possible answers:
1) The player does not care about class identity, they are using whatever makes a good build.
2) They do not want their character to be restricted to the stereotypical definition of a templar (or nightblade, warden etc.) just because the game requires you to pick a class. Tave their own idea of who their character is and what skills are appropriate for them.
3) They pick skills which still fit even if they are not restricted to that class, like a templar using Fighter's Guild skills which are all about fighting daedra and defending Tamriel from danger.