please seperate pvp and pve

Juomuuri · March 21

um.. nO

I'm a PvE tank and I'm not giving up my PA (or AW skills)!

SpiritofESO · March 21

um.. nO

Just balance classes (important) in Cyrodiil using adjustments to Battle Spirit to disallow the use of more than ONE heal at a time and ONE shield at a time with NO use of multiple heals, multiple damage shields AND multiple EXPLOSIVE PROCS (And you know which ones I mean!).

PvP and PvE are already separate. If you don't want to do PvP, then don't enter Cyrodiil, Imperial City or Battlegrounds. This is already a given. The two are ALREADY separate.

What's the problem?

Artim_X · March 21

um.. nO

Sets can be designed to function differently against players if it is needed and battlespirit exists.

kargen27 · March 21

um.. nO

This would be devastating for the long term health of the game. MMOs need new content, players repeating content and players doing a variety of content to really thrive. This idea would take away the need to do a variety of content and some of the incentive to repeat content. PvP'rs often run trials or dungeons so they can use the gear in PvP. It isn't that they prefer trials or in some cases want to do them at all. They do them for the gear.
It is good for the game that aspects of the game overlap. Beyond being good for the game it is needed.

Jestir · March 21

um.. nO

They already have the ability to lock sets against only "monsters" and they should continue to use that system when absolutely necessary

No need to completely separate gear outside of that

Skills? I guess we will see how vengeance goes, but if it leads to better performance or balance than I will concede on that

katanagirl1 · March 22

um.. nO

said no one ever wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

So are you supposed to go into PvP naked to get PvP gear???

There's craftable pvp gear

Depends on the class and build. Unlike PvE, everyone doesn’t wear the same sets and use the same skills in PvP.

Northwold · March 22

I don't think splitting the sets would be popular. But I do think it would be an idea to consider giving sets different stats for pve and PvP, not least because it's absolutely maddening when a set you use for pve gets pulverised purely because of how people use it in PvP.

Also, not to be that guy, but from the OP's post it seems that anyone new to PvP would have to start playing PvP naked. Which would make for quite a steep learning curve.

wolfie1.0. · March 22

um.. nO

said no one ever wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

So are you supposed to go into PvP naked to get PvP gear???

There's craftable pvp gear

That wasn't stipulated in the poll though.

Vaqual · March 22

um.. nO

Elric_665 wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

Experience says that is the the most direct way to kill PvP popularity.

Where and why?

Because several older MMOs that I play/played used a system with PvP-exclusive stats at certain points. Many people who would be willing to casually play PvP before did not bother any longer to farm a separate PvP kit, lowering the number of participants drastically. Engagements with this population of easily killable targets is at the same time a key motivator for many PvP mains and other weaker/middling players, as success drives motivation to participate. Low populations also often led to a rather quick decline of PvP communities.

At the same time, forcing PvPers to engage with PvE through gearing kept engagements much higher in comparable games (they moaned about it, but they played). This also generally has led to a slower feeling of fatigue with these games overall.
Even during patches were raid-locked gear was BiS for PvP participation was high, whereas it was noticeably lower when PvP-exclusive gear was optimal.

I am basing these observations on the comparison of several versions of LotRO, Age of Conan, SWTOR, GW1, GW2 and also ESO throughout the last ca. 18 years. I can not present you any hard numbers, this is just my anecdotal experience.

DreamyLu · March 22

um.. nO

For me, it would be "Maybe".

I explain the background of my answer: In my main game, PvE and PvP are - sort of - separated (you can get a PvP armor without need for PvE), but there is an "ultimate" level in the game, rewarding one set/style called "Legendary" and rewarding very nicely several achievements, that requests completion of activities both in PvE and PvP. The idea behind is that those who are good in both can do everything and deserve a superior status/reward.

I don't know ESO enough, but is there something similar? If yes, then you can't fully separate PvE and PvP.

Beside that, for a game owner, to keep a link between both is a chance to motivate PvE players to "see" PvP (and maybe they like it), and PvP players to "see" PvE (and maybe they like it), with a chance to motivate players to do both to maintain a balanced level of activity in both.

All in all, I believe my vote rather goes for "No".

SwimsWithMemes · March 22

um.. nO

Just think about PvP as the ultimate or true end game. Constantly varied, requiring you t to think and adapt at all times.

Making changes based on the absolute limits of what you can do in the game is a good thing. These shouldn't be the only changes, but changes to skills (and which lead to gear changes) keep the economy moving. This is all good for a healthy MMO.

XSTRONG · March 22

YES!

Yes! To many sets have been nerfed because they are to strong in pvp but works fine in pve

Major_Mangle · March 22

um.. nO

XSTRONG wrote: »

Yes! To many sets have been nerfed because they are to strong in pvp but works fine in pve

Majority of set changes happens because of PvE, not PvP, but lets pretend that´s not the case

I personally think it´s fine not to have complete separation, never bothered me too much. The reason you put "PvP sets in PvE" and vise versa is to make people explore different aspects of the game. It´s a strategic move to make people stay longer and play their game (and honestly it´s a great design choice).

AvalonRanger · March 22

um.. nO

Just remove "only for player" or "only in dungeon" kind of function meta.

AvalonRanger · March 22

um.. nO

Or just make fixed PVP class like other major PVP game. Then no problem.

KiltMaster · March 22

um.. nO

Or how about just play however you want. It's a play your way game anyway!

gronoxvx · March 23

Gonna be that guy. Its been asked for since day 0 and it wont happen. It will involve too much work for zos and no chance they will invest anything more into a game this late.