people playing first person view shouldnt have to endure special effects that block their view

said no one ever

bob's your uncle

i have completed vet dungeons in 1st person. it takes skill and talent and experience. there were times i used to broadcast my games on twitch but people complained that 1st person made them dizzy and nauseated. That's a shame but i suppose it's also true. I don't twitch any more. These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

AzuraFan

First person is still better when NPCs are having story conversations. I always switch to first person for those because the NPCs are larger and it's more immersive. I can see what they're doing in more detail as well, when they're doing something.

said no one ever

bob's your uncle

AvalonRanger wrote: »

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zos should stop what they are doing and fix the effects so as not to block 1st person view as it ruins game play

First of all, "Is it really meaningful playing FPS mode in ESO?".
I guess not. Because ESO is auto aiming combat game. And I really hate this aspect of this game.
(At this point, Skyrim combat is 100 times better than ESO.) It's not just effect problem.

So, I don't use FPS mode.

By the way, I've usually seen extremely hilarious CQB situation in the "domination of battle ground"
through the previous PVP event so much. People totally ignore level design of combat field, and
keep staying narrow zone of flag location just like grabbing belt of pants each of us, and keep
punching each other until one side team totally melted.

What the nonsense combat game ESO is....This "auto aim" mechanic ruin most of level design
aspect of ESO as game design. (and Dev team also should prohibit "custom build" in PVP contents.)

ANYWAY.....ESO is not realistic combat game at all.

No game is a realistic combat experience.

said no one ever

bob's your uncle

So i don't believe this game was designed, as spome claim, to be played in 3rd person. Though i can't probably know the reasons why, ZOS saw fit to offer both 1st person and 3rd person from the start but then chose to neglect the impact of their changes on 1st person view. And i have to say this to the people who insist this game was meant to be played in 3rd person view, you're wrong. It was designed to be played both ways from the start But out of consideration for those who would get dizzy or nauseated in first person they offered 3rd person because accommodating the needs of more people translates to more people playing and more money for zos. The lack of care they have given to 1st person over the past decade is astounding though. Shameful really.

And i really can't say this enough, if you think the game shgould be played as it was designed, in 3rd person THEN be sure to sell all your crowns for 200 gold each BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE GAME WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED. All you need do is look at the price of houses for sale with in game gold and you'll see that those that are offered for sale with gold are also available for crowns and if you compare the price from gold to crowns it wiorks out to 200 gold per crown. So if the only way to play the game is as designed then you MUST BUY and SELL all crown store items for 200 gold each BECAUSE that ius how the game was designed.

VoxAdActa

Your ideas and opinions about game design are rather questionable. Is this information you got from dev interviews or streams? Or is it a sort of "observational" assumption?

And you still haven't clearly explained what the "right thing to do" for other players is. Are we supposed to stop using visually obstructive skills in group content? Or any time other players are around, like dolmens or world bosses? And how do we know what skills those are? Are you saying we all need to play extensively in first-person so we can learn what skills are annoying and then not use them? Nothing is clear here.

thatnewcatsmell

something else

Limiting visual effects should just be a (built-in) accessibility option for people experiencing sensory overload. Accommodating first person players isn't something I expect to happen in any form of serious group content.

Also, perhaps unrelated, from the Update 44 patch notes:

You always start in third-person mode now. You can switch to first-person as you see fit.

sans-culottes

said no one ever wrote: »

These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

This is ironic. You could always change your preferred view instead of expecting everyone else to accommodate your preferred camera angle.

VoxAdActa wrote: »

Your ideas and opinions about game design are rather questionable. Is this information you got from dev interviews or streams? Or is it a sort of "observational" assumption?

And you still haven't clearly explained what the "right thing to do" for other players is. Are we supposed to stop using visually obstructive skills in group content? Or any time other players are around, like dolmens or world bosses? And how do we know what skills those are? Are you saying we all need to play extensively in first-person so we can learn what skills are annoying and then not use them? Nothing is clear here.

Good point! I think we’re supposed to build around the expectation that someone might find this frustrating, so persons with character will be waiting in the wings to accommodate this person’s preference for a first-person camera.

Having said that, I suppose the ability to minimize some of the spell effects and their visual clutter would probably be nice. I’d argue, though, that “character” would—in this case—be accepting that maybe one camera angle is better than another for group content.

Lugaldu

I always play in 1st person view and I don´t care about any effects.

SilverBride

something else

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Limiting visual effects should just be a (built-in) accessibility option for people experiencing sensory overload.

I agree. I really dislike how flashy things have gotten. Some of these bright flashes of light are painful and we've asked more than once for a toggle to turn these effects down.

TheMajority

said no one ever wrote: »

i have completed vet dungeons in 1st person. it takes skill and talent and experience. there were times i used to broadcast my games on twitch but people complained that 1st person made them dizzy and nauseated. That's a shame but i suppose it's also true. I don't twitch any more. These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

its only caring about the self to compromise the skills of the player base for something that's not meant to be used in parties

said no one ever wrote: »

So i don't believe this game was designed, as spome claim, to be played in 3rd person. Though i can't probably know the reasons why, ZOS saw fit to offer both 1st person and 3rd person from the start but then chose to neglect the impact of their changes on 1st person view. And i have to say this to the people who insist this game was meant to be played in 3rd person view, you're wrong. It was designed to be played both ways from the start But out of consideration for those who would get dizzy or nauseated in first person they offered 3rd person because accommodating the needs of more people translates to more people playing and more money for zos. The lack of care they have given to 1st person over the past decade is astounding though. Shameful really.

And i really can't say this enough, if you think the game shgould be played as it was designed, in 3rd person THEN be sure to sell all your crowns for 200 gold each BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE GAME WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED. All you need do is look at the price of houses for sale with in game gold and you'll see that those that are offered for sale with gold are also available for crowns and if you compare the price from gold to crowns it wiorks out to 200 gold per crown. So if the only way to play the game is as designed then you MUST BUY and SELL all crown store items for 200 gold each BECAUSE that ius how the game was designed.

crowns have nothing to do with first person view, the game was not designed around selling crowns for gold and it's not built into the design or even approved by the dev in truth, just vaugly hinted that it's ok cause its an in game item. the two things have nothing to do with each other and its a bad comparison. also, nobody has to engage in crown selling at all if they do not want to, just like they do not have to engage in 1st person mode, all things are a choice, so no one has to do a thing

game was made to be played in 3rd person not 1st person, it's only for roleplay or maybe housing. 1st person only exist for nostalgia rp reason, it's not a practical mode

said no one ever

bob's your uncle

TheMajority wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

i have completed vet dungeons in 1st person. it takes skill and talent and experience. there were times i used to broadcast my games on twitch but people complained that 1st person made them dizzy and nauseated. That's a shame but i suppose it's also true. I don't twitch any more. These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

its only caring about the self to compromise the skills of the player base for something that's not meant to be used in parties

said no one ever wrote: »

So i don't believe this game was designed, as spome claim, to be played in 3rd person. Though i can't probably know the reasons why, ZOS saw fit to offer both 1st person and 3rd person from the start but then chose to neglect the impact of their changes on 1st person view. And i have to say this to the people who insist this game was meant to be played in 3rd person view, you're wrong. It was designed to be played both ways from the start But out of consideration for those who would get dizzy or nauseated in first person they offered 3rd person because accommodating the needs of more people translates to more people playing and more money for zos. The lack of care they have given to 1st person over the past decade is astounding though. Shameful really.

And i really can't say this enough, if you think the game shgould be played as it was designed, in 3rd person THEN be sure to sell all your crowns for 200 gold each BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE GAME WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED. All you need do is look at the price of houses for sale with in game gold and you'll see that those that are offered for sale with gold are also available for crowns and if you compare the price from gold to crowns it wiorks out to 200 gold per crown. So if the only way to play the game is as designed then you MUST BUY and SELL all crown store items for 200 gold each BECAUSE that ius how the game was designed.

crowns have nothing to do with first person view, the game was not designed around selling crowns for gold and it's not built into the design or even approved by the dev in truth, just vaugly hinted that it's ok cause its an in game item. the two things have nothing to do with each other and its a bad comparison. also, nobody has to engage in crown selling at all if they do not want to, just like they do not have to engage in 1st person mode, all things are a choice, so no one has to do a thing

game was made to be played in 3rd person not 1st person, it's only for roleplay or maybe housing. 1st person only exist for nostalgia rp reason, it's not a practical mode

games was made to be played in 1st person, if it were not it would not exist as an option. Just because you cant pull it off in vet dlc dungeons doesnt mean other people can't. i certainly have done it many times.


the argument goes as thus according to you, that game must be played as designed, as designed crowns = 200 gold as evidenced by housing sale prices listed in crown store vs cost to buy them with gold. 1 criown = 200 gold AS DESIGNED. If you are selling crowns for a different price or buying them for a different price then you are not playing the game AS DESIGNED, therefor, as a matter of personal integrity you should stop buying and selling crowns for any amount other than as it was designed, ie 200 gold per crown OR your argument that the game must be played as designed has no merit or authenticity. really simple logic there.

tomofhyrule

said no one ever wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

i have completed vet dungeons in 1st person. it takes skill and talent and experience. there were times i used to broadcast my games on twitch but people complained that 1st person made them dizzy and nauseated. That's a shame but i suppose it's also true. I don't twitch any more. These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

its only caring about the self to compromise the skills of the player base for something that's not meant to be used in parties

said no one ever wrote: »

So i don't believe this game was designed, as spome claim, to be played in 3rd person. Though i can't probably know the reasons why, ZOS saw fit to offer both 1st person and 3rd person from the start but then chose to neglect the impact of their changes on 1st person view. And i have to say this to the people who insist this game was meant to be played in 3rd person view, you're wrong. It was designed to be played both ways from the start But out of consideration for those who would get dizzy or nauseated in first person they offered 3rd person because accommodating the needs of more people translates to more people playing and more money for zos. The lack of care they have given to 1st person over the past decade is astounding though. Shameful really.

And i really can't say this enough, if you think the game shgould be played as it was designed, in 3rd person THEN be sure to sell all your crowns for 200 gold each BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE GAME WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED. All you need do is look at the price of houses for sale with in game gold and you'll see that those that are offered for sale with gold are also available for crowns and if you compare the price from gold to crowns it wiorks out to 200 gold per crown. So if the only way to play the game is as designed then you MUST BUY and SELL all crown store items for 200 gold each BECAUSE that ius how the game was designed.

crowns have nothing to do with first person view, the game was not designed around selling crowns for gold and it's not built into the design or even approved by the dev in truth, just vaugly hinted that it's ok cause its an in game item. the two things have nothing to do with each other and its a bad comparison. also, nobody has to engage in crown selling at all if they do not want to, just like they do not have to engage in 1st person mode, all things are a choice, so no one has to do a thing

game was made to be played in 3rd person not 1st person, it's only for roleplay or maybe housing. 1st person only exist for nostalgia rp reason, it's not a practical mode

games was made to be played in 1st person, if it were not it would not exist as an option. Just because you cant pull it off in vet dlc dungeons doesnt mean other people can't. i certainly have done it many times.


the argument goes as thus according to you, that game must be played as designed, as designed crowns = 200 gold as evidenced by housing sale prices listed in crown store vs cost to buy them with gold. 1 criown = 200 gold AS DESIGNED. If you are selling crowns for a different price or buying them for a different price then you are not playing the game AS DESIGNED, therefor, as a matter of personal integrity you should stop buying and selling crowns for any amount other than as it was designed, ie 200 gold per crown OR your argument that the game must be played as designed has no merit or authenticity. really simple logic there.

"I can do it in a vet dungeon" is not necessarily a factor for something being intended. Case in point - I literally just ran a few vet dungeons while tanking on my werewolf, who uses dual greatswords in human form. And he didn't die in either of them. By that logic, 2H weapons are the 'intended' way to tank, right?

Look, the ESO community really likes to mix up "this is a possible way to play" and "this is the correct way to play" a lot - that's why we always get so many people lean on ZOS's vision of "play the way you want," when what they really meant by that was that every Class can do every role and every weapon, but not necessarily be optimal at that. Sure, someone who's good at the game and their role can do something sillier (like tanking with dual greatswords), but it's totally not the best way to do things and I wouldn't do it if I wasn't already running with a bunch of friends who were putting up with my shenanigans.

So yes, 1st person is in the game. But it is decidedly not the way the game is meant to be played because of all of the things you do need to see around you, and how the devs really only put it in for continuity with other Elder Scrolls games. There are times that 1st person is actually helpful (like when you're doing housing, or when you're tanking Yoln on SS HM and need to chain the atros under the dragon), but it does come with severe limitations in combat. Even the new tutorial is trying to force people to start in 3rd because more and more of the game requires spatial awareness, especially that around you.

You're really focused on "people with character wouldn't use skills that block others' view if they're in 1st," but remember also that if there are three other people in a dungeon (or 11 others in a trial), all of whom are in 3rd person and have positions to be in, that being in 1st and demanding others only light attack is unreasonable. You also say you heal, which is a role that is very demanding of spatial awareness if the group needs to split. I've been in plenty of scenarios where a healer totally forgets about me if there's a mechanic where I need to take the boss off to the side (see fights like ERE HM, or SS HM on Nahvi when we're killing statues), and that's even when the healer is in 3rd person.

Also, you made in indication that you streamed in 1st person and people complained that it made them motion sick, and then you implied that they were rude for feeling ill. That's not something that can be controlled, and I know a lot of people who avoid 1st person at all costs because of vertigo.

As I said, I started playing this game in 1st because that's how an Elder Scrolls game is meant to be played - at least in my mind. I switched to 3rd because there was a lot that I needed to see (I also adjusted my camera in 3rd because the over-the-shoulder view annoys me to no end, and I prefer the Zelda-style camera-directly-behind-me if I'm in 3rd). I got used to that, and now this game feels much better in 3rd. But yes, I still will pop into 1st every so often if I feel like it, but really only when nothing else is going on.

VoxAdActa

I honestly don't think this thread can be evaluated until "the right thing to do" regarding skill use is more clearly defined. We're all engaging with our own interpretations and assumptions about what OP is asking for, while OP steadfastly refuses to clarify their position in spite of repeated requests to do so.

I kind of feel like this whole thread was not started in good faith, and if we can't get any more clarity on specifically what the OP is advocating for, it probably ought to be shut down for baiting.

James-Wayne

something else

I'd rather have the option to turn other peoples pets off, as a tank player its so hard to see effects with pets

TheMajority

said no one ever wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

i have completed vet dungeons in 1st person. it takes skill and talent and experience. there were times i used to broadcast my games on twitch but people complained that 1st person made them dizzy and nauseated. That's a shame but i suppose it's also true. I don't twitch any more. These days people just don't care about any one but themselves. Sad.

its only caring about the self to compromise the skills of the player base for something that's not meant to be used in parties

said no one ever wrote: »

So i don't believe this game was designed, as spome claim, to be played in 3rd person. Though i can't probably know the reasons why, ZOS saw fit to offer both 1st person and 3rd person from the start but then chose to neglect the impact of their changes on 1st person view. And i have to say this to the people who insist this game was meant to be played in 3rd person view, you're wrong. It was designed to be played both ways from the start But out of consideration for those who would get dizzy or nauseated in first person they offered 3rd person because accommodating the needs of more people translates to more people playing and more money for zos. The lack of care they have given to 1st person over the past decade is astounding though. Shameful really.

And i really can't say this enough, if you think the game shgould be played as it was designed, in 3rd person THEN be sure to sell all your crowns for 200 gold each BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE GAME WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED. All you need do is look at the price of houses for sale with in game gold and you'll see that those that are offered for sale with gold are also available for crowns and if you compare the price from gold to crowns it wiorks out to 200 gold per crown. So if the only way to play the game is as designed then you MUST BUY and SELL all crown store items for 200 gold each BECAUSE that ius how the game was designed.

crowns have nothing to do with first person view, the game was not designed around selling crowns for gold and it's not built into the design or even approved by the dev in truth, just vaugly hinted that it's ok cause its an in game item. the two things have nothing to do with each other and its a bad comparison. also, nobody has to engage in crown selling at all if they do not want to, just like they do not have to engage in 1st person mode, all things are a choice, so no one has to do a thing

game was made to be played in 3rd person not 1st person, it's only for roleplay or maybe housing. 1st person only exist for nostalgia rp reason, it's not a practical mode

games was made to be played in 1st person, if it were not it would not exist as an option. Just because you cant pull it off in vet dlc dungeons doesnt mean other people can't. i certainly have done it many times.


the argument goes as thus according to you, that game must be played as designed, as designed crowns = 200 gold as evidenced by housing sale prices listed in crown store vs cost to buy them with gold. 1 criown = 200 gold AS DESIGNED. If you are selling crowns for a different price or buying them for a different price then you are not playing the game AS DESIGNED, therefor, as a matter of personal integrity you should stop buying and selling crowns for any amount other than as it was designed, ie 200 gold per crown OR your argument that the game must be played as designed has no merit or authenticity. really simple logic there.

it's not logical at all, I don't even buy or sell crowns so I don't know where you pull that from

the game isn't designed to buy and sell crowns you should not be doing it its not official. I only do official behaviors.

you should be playing in 3rd person though, it is designed for it

FlameDark

After seeing all the posts about bright spell effects... This immediately popped into my head :

https://youtu.be/8NbwizzxQ_s?si=JOzVd4z7JbYyY5ix


But I do agree that there should be an accessibility setting that should help with the bright effects. I'm surprised there is not one already. They can give me a headache sometimes.

SerafinaWaterstar

How does one even manage combat in 1st person? There are so many telegraphed incoming damage hits that can only be avoided in 3rd person?

If you want to play in 1st person, fine; you do you.

But don’t expect other players to change their builds because of it, especially if it puts them at a disadvantage in group combat.

UrQuan

bob's your uncle

Sorry, but if "Bob's Your Uncle" is an option in a poll, I'm always going to vote for that...

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