Do you need more bank/inventory space?

BioBitter100

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Chrisilis wrote: »

Furnishings. A way to store or catalog unlimited furnishings in a furnishing craft bag that doesn't take up bank, chest or character inventory spaces. I have 7.. count em, SEVEN houses full of overflow furnishings..
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I dont know but I'd sure like to be able to decorate those seven houses rather than use them for storage.

Aye, I also find it not a very "clean" option to handle furniture. I also just completely filled one of my 600 slot houses with random furnishings all over the place so won´t be able to do any real housing with it.

XSTRONG wrote: »

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Only thing I find annoying with inventory atm is that your gear dont save into the armory so you will have to carry it around.

Yeah, it would be very nice if the armory would take items from anywhere in your inventory/storage.

Hapexamendios

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

Enough space with +. Even when it ran out I was able to manage, but it wasn't ideal.

Sarannah

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Never enough space! We need much more!

Most of my space is used by master writs and surveys. If we had a master writ bag and a survey bag, I would always have plenty of space.

BXR_Lonestar

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Yes. I have all the bells and whistles, and it is not enough. Transmute gems build up. Master writs pile up. Survey's are a crafter's constant bane. And that doesn't even begin to touch furniture pieces, trash items, dungeon drops, recipes, blueprints, etc. Inventory management seems like it is the real endgame here, and it seems that things could be simplified and made stackable for QoL improvements - but they just don't

tomofhyrule

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

I have a feeling that even if they added more space, the people who desperately need more would instantly fill it and then start posting "we need more space!" again almost immediately.

What all do you have?

If you don't craft, why keep crafting mats (especially the trait materials)? If you don't like to dig up maps or surveys, get rid of them. If you have a gold set that was meta 5 years ago and hasn't come back, decon it. If you're holding onto stuff just because it's depreciated and rare, get rid of it. If you have a bunch of furnishings, get rid of the ones that you can buy and toss the rest in a storage house.

I can almost guarantee that people who have this much stored in inventory haven't used 75% of this important stuff in over 3 years.

One of the things I intend to do during this holiday is to audit all of my characters and make sure they each have the proper builds and also clear out space in my bank. I know I have a lot of extra junk I don't need in there, so it's time to do some spring winter cleaning.

SilverBride

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

I am a minimalist and I have a hard time understanding why players want to keep everything they find. I want to be in charge of my possessions, not have them in charge of me. I do that by dealing with them on a daily basis and not letting them build up.

I do all my surveys and master writs every day, sell anything of value on our guild trader, vendor cheap stuff and deconstruct everything else that I've picked up as I played that day.

What I have the hardest time understanding is storing thousands of furnishings in multiple houses. What is the point of owning houses we can't decorate because they are full of random furnishings we will never use? And what is the point of having thousands of furnishings if we don't have an empty house to use them in?

Inventory space isn't the problem. Inventory management is.

Juju_beans

Wouldn't make a difference.
The storage coffers came out and they weren't enough.
No matter how much space you give people they will fill it up and ask for more.

Inventory management is what is needed by players.

Syldras

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

To me, *everything* in Morrowind was decoration. It didn't matter what it was. Modded companions? Check. Modded animals? Check. Whatever wasn't nailed down in a town? Check. I remember when I quit, there was someone talking about converting all the furniture in morrowind to items that could be picked up and placed (and there was a mod that did that, but it didn't convert existing furniture), and I really needed that mod. Just give me a hammer, and people would be wondering why their houses look ready to be sold :P

Sounds like something I have to check before my next playthrough (last one was in spring 2023, so it's high time for the next one)

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Same thing for the furnishings. I don't always want to decorate my houses, but occasionally I get the urge to. Will I use everything I have? Probably not, but I never know what I might be in the mood to use any particular day, and I know the minute I get rid of something like a certain style of lantern, the next day I will need that specific lantern for something I am doing.

In my case it's mostly structural furnishings (plus a bit of decoration that's handy to have available spontaneously). What people who don't do big building projects might not realize: If I plan to build a house or even a whole fortress, I needs a lot of different parts to combine. It's basically a big puzzle and I have to try out whether things fit together as planned, keeping different variants on hand to check which works best. Of course I won't trash the spare parts that don't fit or remain after I've finished the building, that would be a waste of mats and also time, also they might fit for the next project, so they remain in the bank until then.

Without the building items, my bank would be empty. Literally. I don't store anything else there. Sets are on my characters who use them, same goes for pre-made meals and potions for daily crafting. Surveys and treasure maps I do immediately. Stuff to trade (through my trading guild) is on my trader characters. Master crafting writs where I don't know the neccessary style yet are in chests.

MorganaLaVey

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

What i really need is an account wide inventory for consumables and an inventory for gear where i can load the same gear on multiple characters at the same time. Why do i need to have x6 sets of spellpower, x6 sets of wormcult, x6 sets of olorime, etc... With all consumables and gear gone, my inventory would be so empty.

JemadarofCaerSalis

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Syldras wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

To me, *everything* in Morrowind was decoration. It didn't matter what it was. Modded companions? Check. Modded animals? Check. Whatever wasn't nailed down in a town? Check. I remember when I quit, there was someone talking about converting all the furniture in morrowind to items that could be picked up and placed (and there was a mod that did that, but it didn't convert existing furniture), and I really needed that mod. Just give me a hammer, and people would be wondering why their houses look ready to be sold :P

Sounds like something I have to check before my next playthrough (last one was in spring 2023, so it's high time for the next one)

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Same thing for the furnishings. I don't always want to decorate my houses, but occasionally I get the urge to. Will I use everything I have? Probably not, but I never know what I might be in the mood to use any particular day, and I know the minute I get rid of something like a certain style of lantern, the next day I will need that specific lantern for something I am doing.

In my case it's mostly structural furnishings (plus a bit of decoration that's handy to have available spontaneously). What people who don't do big building projects might not realize: If I plan to build a house or even a whole fortress, I needs a lot of different parts to combine. It's basically a big puzzle and I have to try out whether things fit together as planned, keeping different variants on hand to check which works best. Of course I won't trash the spare parts that don't fit or remain after I've finished the building, that would be a waste of mats and also time, also they might fit for the next project, so they remain in the bank until then.

Without the building items, my bank would be empty. Literally. I don't store anything else there. Sets are on my characters who use them, same goes for pre-made meals and potions for daily crafting. Surveys and treasure maps I do immediately. Stuff to trade (through my trading guild) is on my trader characters. Master crafting writs where I don't know the neccessary style yet are in chests.

I don't know if it is still available, I haven't played morrowind for pretty much a decade. I might try again, as I have heard that there are mods out there to up the graphics (which would be one of my biggest issues now).

Yeah, I think a lot of the people who are in the 'no we don't need space, just get rid of everything' don't realize that some people have different priorities. I keep things like trait materials because I never know when I might want craft equipment. I keep furnishings because I only have a few houses, so as I get more, I don't know what I will want to use. So, getting rid of the furnishings I currently have 'for space reasons' means that I now have to try to find them, and if they are only available through the guild trader, it means hopping around trying to find them and hope that they have them, and that they aren't super expensive compared to somewhere else.

I don't like constantly hopping zone to zone, or area to area, which is why I tend to not do writs until I have accumulated enough of them to make it feel worth my while to do them. I don't keep multiple sets of armor/weapons on me, because I don't change them unless they are better than what I am wearing. But, other people have multiple builds for their same character and need those extra sets.

It may be rare that I use things like furnishings or trait materials, but that doesn't mean that I *never* use them and never will. It just means that I need a place to store them until I actually feel like using them.

TheImperfect

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

[Random Expletive] YES!!!

Kessra

I'd love to see something similar to the sticker book also for furnishing items. Currently, I have like 3-4 houses that basically act as IKEA where I place those items without a real purpose just to get them out of the inventory. Due to ESO+ I can place up to 700 items in larger homes but even with that additional space I already need multiple homes here.

With 10 accounts, 3-4 private guild banks and so forth I though have probably way more storage than the "ordinary" player. Most of those storage space was acquired before the sticker album as I kept basically all unbound items with "perfect" traits around so I don't had to refarm those in case ZOS decides to change the META again. With the introduction of the sticker book though, plenty of storage space was freed up as with only like 10-15 meaningful sets there was no logical reason to basically keep those remaining 580ish non-perfect sets around.

AlnilamE

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

If I decided to stop subscribing, I would have to be a bit more ruthless with deconstructing and maybe buy a few more houses for storage of furnishings, but it would be ok.

More storage just means more hoarding and then cleaning up becomes overwhelming.

Mesite

Yes, but I don´t have ESO+

On PC I bought another account when I ran out of space, but I don't want to do that on Xbox.

I thought of just getting rid of all my furniture or selling it all. And giving up on researching all the unknown traits and just deconstructing everything.

Just the other day I needed to pass armour to my warden but my bank was full. I almost gave up and went to play another game. I don't have time irl for inventory management in game.

anadandy

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I am on PC so just got an addon where I can now find all the furniture I put in houses, so I finally finished clearing out my bank of all the furnishings I have collected (and don't want to get rid of). I also found out that I DID have a crafting station I could have used, instead of buying one, I just didn't remember what house it was in.

Which addon are you using? My bank is cluttered with furnishings all the time (actually it's more or less everything I keep there, except for a few items to swap between characters every now and then) because I want to have an overview about what I have on hand, and if I put that stuff in houses, I lack that (of course I could begin to write spreadsheets, but honestly, in the few hours I might have each evening, I'd rather be playing than writing lists).

I got Inventory Insight by Mana Vortex.

Housing cataloging is initially off, but you can just turn it on, but you do need to go to each of your houses for it to scan them, but once you do, it works great,)

Not to go far off topic, but how long does it take to scan houses. I've used inventory insight for at least a year and it still only sees maybe 5 of my houses despite having ported to every one.

Anyway topic: I've been an advocate of upping the gold purchasable bank inventory cap. It's never increased (other than getting double with plus) yet more and more items have been added.

Also, as far as furnishings go. With no decent way to preview an item in a space, I've made things that end up not working the way I wanted, or being ridiculously too big, etc. Can't decon them, hard to sell, so into the bank they go.

A system for both those things would go a long way to alleviating "clutter".

But we got Home Tours.

theskymoves

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Yes, but it's probably my own doing... I have far too much furniture acquired for reasons like not being able to pass up a bargain and 'I might need this someday' and not enough oomph to actually do something with it. If I could bring myself to sell it off or give it all away, I'd have no storage issues.

(Just counted... I have 20 furniture storage houses, in addition to completely full chests and one mule alt for furnishings. I really do need to dump it all.)

Danikat

No, even without ESO+ I have enough space

My answer to these topics is always the same: I don't think it's possible to provide enough space to keep everyone happy, unless it was literally infinite and then the problem would shift to how to deal with the overwhelming numbers of items players would keep.

I think it would be better for everyone if ZOS addressed the underlying issues that make players feel like they have to hold onto so much stuff just in case it's useful one day.

I'm not saying that's a simple fix, or even that it's one problem, I think it's a whole variety of things, including some underlying business practices that make players concerned that if they get rid of something they may never be able to get it again (or at least not in a reasonable time and for a reasonable amount of effort). I'm not convinced ZOS is ready to address that either. But I still think it would be better than just adding more storage space (which is available in increasingly varied and therefore convoluted ways) that just gets filled as soon as it's available and then the problem starts over again.

Enemoriana

Yes, but I don´t have ESO+

I have some problems with inventory and bank since I lost access to bying ESO+, but it was mostly ok with ESO+. Main problem was furniture... I had 4 or 5 big houses just for storaging it. And that's with selling and gifting it regularly!

In all other things I believe there is no inventory limits that will be enough for everyone. Big spaces are just cluttered more.

madman65

ESO needs to take a look at storage because they keep adding more to the game but never take into consideration the impact on the gamers. We are getting alot of stuff but no where to put these items so yeah inventory is beginning to be an issue.

Destai

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

At the moment, I do not.

I am an ESO Plus subscriber who has 15 characters. I really only keep a dps set on most characters, and maybe one tank/heal set in addition on some of them.

I have all 8 chests, currently organized by tank, heal, stamina, and magicka sets. My bank is for consumables and common sets I pass between toons for dailies.

I try my best to keep only what I need and so far it’s working out well.

Excess furnishings are stored in some of the free large houses I have.

However, I support them adding more space.

SilverBride

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

Danikat wrote: »

I think it would be better for everyone if ZOS addressed the underlying issues that make players feel like they have to hold onto so much stuff just in case it's useful one day.

There is nothing ZoS can do about that. They can't change a player's tendencies to hold on to everything. Just providing items players can get doesn't trigger that response of having to have all of it in everyone. It's not a game issue.

JemadarofCaerSalis

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

anadandy wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I am on PC so just got an addon where I can now find all the furniture I put in houses, so I finally finished clearing out my bank of all the furnishings I have collected (and don't want to get rid of). I also found out that I DID have a crafting station I could have used, instead of buying one, I just didn't remember what house it was in.

Which addon are you using? My bank is cluttered with furnishings all the time (actually it's more or less everything I keep there, except for a few items to swap between characters every now and then) because I want to have an overview about what I have on hand, and if I put that stuff in houses, I lack that (of course I could begin to write spreadsheets, but honestly, in the few hours I might have each evening, I'd rather be playing than writing lists).

I got Inventory Insight by Mana Vortex.

Housing cataloging is initially off, but you can just turn it on, but you do need to go to each of your houses for it to scan them, but once you do, it works great,)

Not to go far off topic, but how long does it take to scan houses. I've used inventory insight for at least a year and it still only sees maybe 5 of my houses despite having ported to every one.

Anyway topic: I've been an advocate of upping the gold purchasable bank inventory cap. It's never increased (other than getting double with plus) yet more and more items have been added.

Also, as far as furnishings go. With no decent way to preview an item in a space, I've made things that end up not working the way I wanted, or being ridiculously too big, etc. Can't decon them, hard to sell, so into the bank they go.

A system for both those things would go a long way to alleviating "clutter".

But we got Home Tours.

I don't know, it seemed like it was really quick for my houses, but then again, I don't have all that many houses, compared to the grand total. I also don't have a lot of items in each house, with the exception of my storage house, which I stayed in for a while.

I did a quick look and didn't see anyone else saying they have a problem with Inventory insight not showing all their houses, but I might not have looked for the right keywords. Maybe just try to spend a minute or two, maybe a bit longer if you have a lot of items in each house, in each house and see if that works?

I just got it day before yesterday, so I am still learning the ins and outs of it.


Back on topic, I don't see why just because not everyone will be pleased, or some people will quickly fill up those slots, it means that nothing at all should be done. It comes across as 'you can't please everyone, so why even bother trying to please anyone'.

I personally don't really care how it is done, whether we get more slots, more storage chests, furniture/writ bag, or if they do a sticker book for furniture. It would just be nice to not have to worry about constantly running out of space and trying to sort everything into what I want to keep, what I want to sell, and what can be destroyed and what can't be reobtained should I accidentally destroy it.

tomofhyrule

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Back on topic, I don't see why just because not everyone will be pleased, or some people will quickly fill up those slots, it means that nothing at all should be done. It comes across as 'you can't please everyone, so why even bother trying to please anyone'.

A lot of that is because people know that it's not physically possible to expand infinitely, and that the space that's used for anything new means that something else new will not have space to get in.

Sure, if it were possible to have infinite storage while still getting infinite new things and infinite upgrades for everything and everyone could have a custom difficulty level and story quality with hundreds of deeply three-dimensional companions and everything else, that'd be great. But it's just not possible.

It's like the common argument of "why doesn't the government just give more money to people and then we've solved poverty!"

We already know that ESO is struggling under its own weight. They've said in several interviews that the data required is immense, and that likely puts a damper on what is and is not possible. We've already heard that AWA was a direct result of them trying to make more data space. We've heard that the new shorter listing times on guild stores was partially a way to get people to stop using the mail as another bank. And they've said over and over that the older hardware is bottlenecking things like housing limits.

Whether you believe their reasoning or not, it's obvious that space is not infinite. And personally I'd rather have them make e.g. a new Class so I could interact with the game in a whole new way instead of just making it possible to hoard another three sets that I use once and then let them sit for five years.

And: on the topic of a Furnishing Bag, ZOS has also directly said in several interviews why they can't do that - there are too many furnishings and it expands too quickly since so many more are being added, whereas the Craft bag only expands by about three items a patch. If they came out with a Furnishings Bag, they'd have to pretty well stop making new furnishings and possibly even get rid of a bunch they already have.

JemadarofCaerSalis

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

I don't think it has to expand infinitely, but if they aren't going to expand it *at all* then I would say that ZOS needs to take a look at the current items, and figure out why there is such item bloat. Figure out alternatives, as said, it doesn't have to be a furniture bag, but rather some sort of sticker book, or some other way to be able to recreate the furniture, but not have it take up inventory space.

Amottica

No, even without ESO+ I have enough space

XSTRONG wrote: »

I have to much inventory space, I have so much useless stuff in my Bank thats have been sitting there for ages.

My Eso+ gives me the craftbag but 90% of the mats in there are useless for me so I might as well unsub also.

Only thing I find annoying with inventory atm is that your gear dont save into the armory so you will have to carry it around.

Like me, acknowledging that was the first step to recovery. It is not how much space I have but the junk I filled it with.

Kappachi

No, even without ESO+ I have enough space

Nope. Something worth 100+? Sell on guild trader. Worth under? trash it and buy stacks of them when I need them from any of the various guild traders.

Syldras

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I don't know if it is still available, I haven't played morrowind for pretty much a decade. I might try again, as I have heard that there are mods out there to up the graphics (which would be one of my biggest issues now).

There are lots of mods that improve graphics, so that shouldn't be an issue. Everything from slightly better textures/resolution to a, let's say, very "polished" look (I personally prefer more detail, but generally closer to the original style).

But back to topic, I really think it would be reasonable that the fact that we get new items in ESO every year would be acknowledged in giving us a bit more bank space, at least. I know not everything has to be kept, but let's take things like new crafting materials, especially style materials: Someone who does master writs regularly needs to have them available. Some are also needed for housing. How many style materials are there by now? Roughly 150 have a page on UESP at the moment.

Adremal

Yes, even with ESO+, housing storage and maxed space on all chars (and maybe even a guild bank)

Yes. I have 20 characters /w every possible capacity and/or storage upgrade, the overwhelming majority of houses in the game, and still run into space issues, each character having a measly 20 free slots or something. This is considering that most of my houses are used as storehouses for furnishing items.
2025 and still 700 furnishings limit by the way, utterly unacceptable.

kaushad

Yes, but I don´t have ESO+

SilverBride wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I think it would be better for everyone if ZOS addressed the underlying issues that make players feel like they have to hold onto so much stuff just in case it's useful one day.

There is nothing ZoS can do about that. They can't change a player's tendencies to hold on to everything. Just providing items players can get doesn't trigger that response of having to have all of it in everyone. It's not a game issue.

There is. They could:

• Narrow the difference between the buying and selling prices of provisioning ingredients, so that it's that easier to buy them if or when we need them.*
• Let NPCs sell alchemy ingredients.
• Make more antiquity furnishings salable and use the UI to indicate when a furnishing that you're carrying can be crafted.
• Remove the transmute crystal limit. That way, players would hoard it in the currency pile instead of separate geodes and stored reconstructed gear.
• Ease off on new style materials, which may be happening for other reasons anyway.

What's more ESO has already made a couple of reforms that have considerably reduced the need for storage: reconstruction and the sticker book.

In the old days, it was worth holding on to good piece of equipment that didn't fit your current build, such as a purple, infused jerkin of Mother's Sorrow, because RNGesus was unlikely to grant another any time soon. Now that we can go to Clockwork city and make them at will, there's much less reason to store gear in banks and containers. Well, there's aforementioned transmute crystal storage, but that's fixable as explained.

*This is a bit like when people hoard toilet paper and flour when they hear of shortages. But instead of instead of supply chain shortages, the shops all charge like $20 for four rolls or 1.5kg bag, whilst we can also randomly just find perfectly good packets lying around in our day to day lives.

SilverBride

No, I have ESO+ and have enough space

kaushad wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I think it would be better for everyone if ZOS addressed the underlying issues that make players feel like they have to hold onto so much stuff just in case it's useful one day.

There is nothing ZoS can do about that. They can't change a player's tendencies to hold on to everything. Just providing items players can get doesn't trigger that response of having to have all of it in everyone. It's not a game issue.

There is. They could:

• Narrow the difference between the buying and selling prices of provisioning ingredients, so that it's that easier to buy them if or when we need them.*
• Let NPCs sell alchemy ingredients.
• Make more antiquity furnishings salable and use the UI to indicate when a furnishing that you're carrying can be crafted.
• Remove the transmute crystal limit. That way, players would hoard it in the currency pile instead of separate geodes and stored reconstructed gear.
• Ease off on new style materials, which may be happening for other reasons anyway.

What's more ESO has already made a couple of reforms that have considerably reduced the need for storage: reconstruction and the sticker book.

In the old days, it was worth holding on to good piece of equipment that didn't fit your current build, such as a purple, infused jerkin of Mother's Sorrow, because RNGesus was unlikely to grant another any time soon. Now that we can go to Clockwork city and make them at will, there's much less reason to store gear in banks and containers. Well, there's aforementioned transmute crystal storage, but that's fixable as explained.

*This is a bit like when people hoard toilet paper and flour when they hear of shortages. But instead of instead of supply chain shortages, the shops all charge like $20 for four rolls or 1.5kg bag, whilst we can also randomly just find perfectly good packets lying around in our day to day lives.

They have made positive changes to storage, but the biggest problem is still players keeping too much of everything. Having thousands of furnishings stored in multiple houses is a prime example of this. If these furnishings were actually useful to the player they would be used in decorating and not just piling up and never used for anything.