Has the "Hide Hip Guards/Loincloths" issue ever been addressed?

Zodiarkslayer

You can only hide a mesh completely or not at all. Wanting to hide any part of a mesh is impossible or crazy complex, because you'll have to put replacer meshes for every single chest piece in ESO ...

Never gonna happen ... !

Kashya_Vulano

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

You can only hide a mesh completely or not at all. Wanting to hide any part of a mesh is impossible or crazy complex, because you'll have to put replacer meshes for every single chest piece in ESO ...

Never gonna happen ... !

I don't think anyone here is saying that's not complex. But there is already some semblance of the back flap being separated on Khajiit and argonian models to prevent tail clipping, so that flap has already been modeled as a separated mesh for those races. The questions are whether or not the front flap and guards are also fully separable from the models, whether it also works for the human meshes, whether the developer toggle works on said models, and whether it's something they're looking at implementing for the live server in the future.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

You can only hide a mesh completely or not at all. Wanting to hide any part of a mesh is impossible or crazy complex, because you'll have to put replacer meshes for every single chest piece in ESO ...

Never gonna happen ... !

The flaps are not part of the mesh, though. They are "tassets" attached to it, which can be removed for argonians/khajiit tails etc.

Artem_gig

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

I think that ship has long sailed, but I've always thought hip guards and bags should be part of the waist slot, not the chest slot.

Not a change they should make this late in the game, of course. In lieu of that, a toggle is long overdue.

You made me wonder why it didn't work that way in the first place? Seriously, the belt styles are too subtle. If the style of the hip plates depended on the belt, then it would be both more logical and more unique than just 999+ types of small and inconspicuous thing on the belt. Just why ZOS?

I wouldn't want the hip plates to be added to belts. That would ruin a lot of really nice belts we have, because some of the hip plates that are a part of those motifs are huge/have issues that would mess up many already existing outfits people have made.

I don't think that in all of these outfits, the little thing on the belt has a really significant role.

Erorah

Look, it took years but we did finally get a Hide Shoulders option...

We must keep insisting that tassets and front flaps be hidden as well or not added to the next hundred outfits

ArchangelIsraphel

Artem_gig wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

I think that ship has long sailed, but I've always thought hip guards and bags should be part of the waist slot, not the chest slot.

Not a change they should make this late in the game, of course. In lieu of that, a toggle is long overdue.

You made me wonder why it didn't work that way in the first place? Seriously, the belt styles are too subtle. If the style of the hip plates depended on the belt, then it would be both more logical and more unique than just 999+ types of small and inconspicuous thing on the belt. Just why ZOS?

I wouldn't want the hip plates to be added to belts. That would ruin a lot of really nice belts we have, because some of the hip plates that are a part of those motifs are huge/have issues that would mess up many already existing outfits people have made.

I don't think that in all of these outfits, the little thing on the belt has a really significant role.

Maybe not to you personally, but to others it's quite important. Some of us are invested in small details.

Plus, adding it to the belt solves nothing. We have no ability to hide the belt on our armor, so we'd be stuck with hip plates once again, just in a new, even more annoying form.

The only way this would work is if they offered a version of the belts with and without the plates. Which of course, they could do easily since they already exist without them (and hopefully, stay that way.)

Taril

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Plus, adding it to the belt solves nothing. We have no ability to hide the belt on our armor, so we'd be stuck with hip plates once again, just in a new, even more annoying form.

For many people, it would completely solve the problem.

Given that many belts have fairly minor impact on an overall look given the small nature of the actual piece that is different between each one, having these waist adornments attached to belts would allow people to simply... Pick a different belt that doesn't have them with overall minor changes to their overall look.

Of course, it doesn't solve it for everyone, as people who do value what the belt itself currently brings to a look would end up being stuck with these random adornments.

That said, this solution is still kind of bass ackwards. Since if they had the ability to remove the tassets from chest pieces in order to be able to shift them to belt slots... They could just keep them where they are and let people toggle them on/off.

Better yet... If they could isolate the tassets and move them, they could even give us a new tassets slot (Either actual item slot for actual gear or simply just a cosmetic slot for outfits) where these things would be on their own. Allowing customization with them and of course having the option to hide them.

ghastley

There are several issues getting conflated together here.

The tassets (hip armor) make sense on mounted knight plate, so the skeleton has provision for them. But that means that a foot-soldier's leather, because it shares that skeleton, would have a gap between the body and the dagger or sword sheathed there. ZOS have made the choice to put tassets in the gap, on almost all armors, with the exceptions being books, pouches, and other things that sort of belong there. There are some that have nothing, so people complain about the gap. Moving the tassets to another slot does not address the gap issue.

Then there are the pieces that are just plain wrong, and the tassets are not aligned in the gap. Weapons clip, etc. and even without a sheathed weapon, there is a gap between the body and the tasset. These could be individually fixed.

The front and rear flaps are on other bones, and I assume that the tailed races use a skeleton with the rear flap bone. The same issue of layered bones may apply there if skirt bones are supporting robes etc. The flap would be rigged outside the skirt, with another gap potential, or clipping if not done well.

Another that has not been mentioned is which bones are affected by the chargen sliders. If the width of the body's hips does not affect the width of the tassets, and the sheathed weapons, then gaps or clipping result. Shoulders would have the same issues.

Juomuuri

The hip flaps look kinda nasty on my max thick orc dude, but I can live with his hands clipping into them vs the nearly horizontal crotch flaps I mentioned earlier! Some (or even most) of the motifs/outfit styles we have are not optimized for very fat OR very skinny models and they will look super wonky at times. My stamcanist is a khajiit who uses the female model and most armor on him looks weirdly squashed since he's very skinny. (I don't have any super muscular characters but I'm sure they also have some issues with clipping etc.) Seems to me the modelers don't really check anything else than the average sliders...

Artem_gig

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

I think that ship has long sailed, but I've always thought hip guards and bags should be part of the waist slot, not the chest slot.

Not a change they should make this late in the game, of course. In lieu of that, a toggle is long overdue.

You made me wonder why it didn't work that way in the first place? Seriously, the belt styles are too subtle. If the style of the hip plates depended on the belt, then it would be both more logical and more unique than just 999+ types of small and inconspicuous thing on the belt. Just why ZOS?

I wouldn't want the hip plates to be added to belts. That would ruin a lot of really nice belts we have, because some of the hip plates that are a part of those motifs are huge/have issues that would mess up many already existing outfits people have made.

I don't think that in all of these outfits, the little thing on the belt has a really significant role.

Maybe not to you personally, but to others it's quite important. Some of us are invested in small details.

Plus, adding it to the belt solves nothing. We have no ability to hide the belt on our armor, so we'd be stuck with hip plates once again, just in a new, even more annoying form.

The only way this would work is if they offered a version of the belts with and without the plates. Which of course, they could do easily since they already exist without them (and hopefully, stay that way.)

So I proposed this particular option. There are a ton of styles in the game without plates, so you could just pick a belt from a style without plates. And I’m sure that among these there will definitely be one suitable for any outfit.

fizzylu

Almost 20 years into it's existence, Blizzard managed to make it so that shoulder armor could be transmogged separately without making any changes to how shoulder gear is actually equipped in WoW.

Now, personally -- I think it's been clear that ESO has some.... roadblocks, in it's overall design and management that may make it more of a challenge to do things such as this. But I find it hard to believe it's entirely impossible, which leaves me to assume that it's just another case of feedback going ignored. Especially when they continue to release newer styles with these things, and very obnoxiously designed ones at that, like with the new outfit style in the Mirrormoor crates.