Female argonian boobs?

Avran_Sylt

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

joergino

That's why my two Argonian characters are both male. Argonian females look udderly bizarre.

virtus753

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Avran_Sylt

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Yes, the topic was closed before I had finished reading through the comments. But now that thread is lost to time, the questions remains though:

Why boobs?

They serve no functional purpose, perhaps there is a lore reason as to why so many of the intelligent races seem to follow a certain design?

Of course, given monthly updates, this subject matter is likely to change frequently, and thus a closure of a necro on such a topic is understandable, and so is a continuation of a train of thought; who knows what has changed?

Though perhaps the move of said post to the lore subcategory instead of closure would have been better.

SilverBride

They don't. The bumps on their upper chest are well developed pectoralis major muscles.

Syldras

The lore explanation is that the Hist made them look more humanoid so they are more likeable to other races and their chances to be treated humanely are better.

virtus753

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Yes, the topic was closed before I had finished reading through the comments. But now that thread is lost to time, the questions remains though:

Why boobs?

They serve no functional purpose, perhaps there is a lore reason as to why so many of the intelligent races seem to follow a certain design?

Of course, given monthly updates, this subject matter is likely to change frequently, and thus a closure of a necro on such a topic is understandable, and so is a continuation of a train of thought; who knows what has changed?

Though perhaps the move of said post to the lore subcategory instead of closure would have been better.

They generally close threads that are over a year old unless the topic is “evergreen.” With the yearslong gap in posts on it, the thread wasn’t active.

As long as the mods don’t close it for anything other than being a necro, you are welcome to continue the thought in a new thread, but that doesn’t require plagiarism. You can at the very least quote the other comment and say you’d like to continue the discussion. (And then, in this case, hope it doesn’t get closed for the subject matter.)

Avran_Sylt

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Yes, the topic was closed before I had finished reading through the comments. But now that thread is lost to time, the questions remains though:

Why boobs?

They serve no functional purpose, perhaps there is a lore reason as to why so many of the intelligent races seem to follow a certain design?

Of course, given monthly updates, this subject matter is likely to change frequently, and thus a closure of a necro on such a topic is understandable, and so is a continuation of a train of thought; who knows what has changed?

Though perhaps the move of said post to the lore subcategory instead of closure would have been better.

They generally close threads that are over a year old unless the topic is “evergreen.” With the yearslong gap in posts on it, the thread wasn’t active.

As long as the mods don’t close it for anything other than being a necro, you are welcome to continue the thought in a new thread, but that doesn’t require plagiarism. You can at the very least quote the other comment and say you’d like to continue the discussion. (And then, in this case, hope it doesn’t get closed for the subject matter.)

Hmm. Are there rules around linking necro threads? Wouldn't that support the necro that may aid in possible misinformation?

Zodiarkslayer

From my previous post:

One could argue that Argonians are a step stone in the development of reptiles to mammals.

In our world the early mammals developed from reptiles. That was before the dinosaurs ruled the world.
The way a fetus in an egg is sustained is eerily similar to how mammal fetus' grow within the womb. There is even an organelle that is functionally identical to a placenta within every egg.
Scientists theorize that at some point some reptiles started to carry their eggs instead of laying them, because they could protect their offspring better this way. This strategy lead to increased survival rates of the own offspring compared to those who got their eggs poached by predators.
What the developement of mammary glands prompted is the increased need for prolonged infant care after the amount of offspring got significantly reduced after the eggs got carried out rather than layed.
These are two of the three important advantages that mammals developed compared to reptiles, the third being skin.

Evolution, right? 😅

xylena_lazarow

Convergent evolution, that's where the sap is stored.

Soarora

Syldras wrote: »

The lore explanation is that the Hist made them look more humanoid so they are more likeable to other races and their chances to be treated humanely are better.

^^

As we see with the lizard mounts, the Hist remakes things it “sees” as lizard versions. The Argonian origin story is that they were magically changed from the Ancestor Lizards (normal lizards) into humanoid shapes iirc. They have breasts because whatever the Hist saw as a template (perhaps the Lilmothiit or whatever the blue breton lookin humans are called) had breasts.

Argonians can do live birth but as they don’t have ***, its unlikely they produce milk. There’s a video on youtube on this topic you can watch.

Alternative answer is “because TES used to be sexualized to entice men”. Which may or may not be why they were given breasts to begin with, but now we have a lore reason.

virtus753

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Yes, the topic was closed before I had finished reading through the comments. But now that thread is lost to time, the questions remains though:

Why boobs?

They serve no functional purpose, perhaps there is a lore reason as to why so many of the intelligent races seem to follow a certain design?

Of course, given monthly updates, this subject matter is likely to change frequently, and thus a closure of a necro on such a topic is understandable, and so is a continuation of a train of thought; who knows what has changed?

Though perhaps the move of said post to the lore subcategory instead of closure would have been better.

They generally close threads that are over a year old unless the topic is “evergreen.” With the yearslong gap in posts on it, the thread wasn’t active.

As long as the mods don’t close it for anything other than being a necro, you are welcome to continue the thought in a new thread, but that doesn’t require plagiarism. You can at the very least quote the other comment and say you’d like to continue the discussion. (And then, in this case, hope it doesn’t get closed for the subject matter.)

Hmm. Are there rules around linking necro threads? Wouldn't that support the necro that may aid in possible misinformation?

You may link a thread that has been closed, sure. That would be very helpful here, I think.

Closed threads generally remain visible, so people can see what has been said before while also understanding from the closure notice that the information may be outdated. The current thread can then contain current information and any necessary corrections.

spartaxoxo

I think it's because the hist just wants them that way

Tommy_The_Gun

Real reason ?

Probably real world & people as we tend to somehow "relate" to our in-game avatars (female player playing female character etc). The other reason might be to make it easier just by looking at certain characters to tell if they are male or female.

What is funnier is how this design choice spawned thousands of "fan theories" as why humanoid lizard-man species has things that for the most part would not be useful at all for them. My favourite one is that it is somehow used to "feed" hist sap to a young hatchlings.

Also, I have remembered one thing. Long time ago, I was playing Morrowind with a "better bodies" mod installed that was replacing body models as the OG ones were kinda bad. During the installation of the mod, there was an option to have female argoninas to have "breastless" chest... and tbh it was way more immersive.

I mean it for real. Meeting a female argonian NPC felt more... correct in a way. It felt more grounded in the reality. It made the whole experience overall better as it made Argonians even more alien & kinda stand out. It was to the point in which sometimes if the NPC was at certain distance & was wearing armour - it was hard to tell if it is a man or woman.... which is exactly how it should be depicted by a non-argonian character.

Avran_Sylt

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Yes, the topic was closed before I had finished reading through the comments. But now that thread is lost to time, the questions remains though:

Why boobs?

They serve no functional purpose, perhaps there is a lore reason as to why so many of the intelligent races seem to follow a certain design?

Of course, given monthly updates, this subject matter is likely to change frequently, and thus a closure of a necro on such a topic is understandable, and so is a continuation of a train of thought; who knows what has changed?

Though perhaps the move of said post to the lore subcategory instead of closure would have been better.

They generally close threads that are over a year old unless the topic is “evergreen.” With the yearslong gap in posts on it, the thread wasn’t active.

As long as the mods don’t close it for anything other than being a necro, you are welcome to continue the thought in a new thread, but that doesn’t require plagiarism. You can at the very least quote the other comment and say you’d like to continue the discussion. (And then, in this case, hope it doesn’t get closed for the subject matter.)

Hmm. Are there rules around linking necro threads? Wouldn't that support the necro that may aid in possible misinformation?

You may link a thread that has been closed, sure. That would be very helpful here, I think.

Closed threads generally remain visible, so people can see what has been said before while also understanding from the closure notice that the information may be outdated. The current thread can then contain current information and any necessary corrections.

Ah, appreciate it.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292615/female-argonian-boobs

Rasande_Robin

Because in ESO every race is a human in "costume"... We're all cosplayers!

Even Orc's which should basically have triple the body muscles mass of humans looks like scrawny humans in costumes.

Syldras

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Even Orc's which should basically have triple the body muscles mass of humans

Do you have a lore source for that? I'm curious because I've never read it. I know they're usually depicted as bulky and they have a warrior culture, but I don't think lore books have ever elaborated much on that physical aspect.

Jaraal

Millenia of Argonian slavery caused them to develop breasts to nurse Dunmer children.


Have you seen an Argonian egg, however? I'd be more curious to know how they lay those huge things.

Syldras

Jaraal wrote: »

Millenia of Argonian slavery caused them to develop breasts to nurse Dunmer children.

Nah, that's what Khajiit are for. Want a bottle?

wenchmore420b14_ESO

I went back through some of my lore stuff, ( I'm a huge TES lore nut), and found a reference in a Q&A with Lawrence Shick, the former Lore Master of ESO, in which he says, "The Hist created the Argonians in the image of man". This reference can be found in the video by Left Pat.
I found it here, at Left Pat's video at 4:25. Not sure if this was an early ESO developer Q&A or the Imperial Library Q&A. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zSNK0kmPB4&t=2s

Gabriel_H

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

https://npr.org/2024/03/07/1236408925/researchers-have-found-an-amphibian-that-makes-milk-for-its-babies

UNSeki

Highly recommend LeftoverPat's video about the subject.

Too long; didn't watch:

• Argonians are created by the Hist in the image of Men and Mer.
• According to Pete Hines (2003), "Argonians are ovoviviparous" (eggs develop inside the mother until they are ready to hatch) and "don't lay eggs like reptiles". Though the interpretation of this quote is uncertain, given that ESO establishes that Argonians in Black Marsh do lay eggs that are nourished and hatch near sap pools.
• Mark Nelson (also 2003) had emphasized the role of the Hist in Argonians' high adaptability, implying that, in ideal conditions of warmth and security (e.g. Black Marsh), they could lay their eggs, but other Argonians around the continent might also rely more on internal development/a more viviparous approach.
• There is no definitive canon answer to the question of what is inside Argonian boobs between breast milk or hist sap (or anything at all). We only know that the Hist shaped them as such to resemble other sentient races.

C_Inside

The real reason has already been posted in this thread. ZOS were just too lazy to make different bodies for each race so everyone uses the same skeleton and body. Only difference is the head, a tail hastily duct taped to some races, and elongated nails on the fingertips of those same races.

That's a staple of ES games though. Races are all mechanically the same in all of them. So at least ESO is consistent with the rest of the series, I guess.

Soarora

Jaraal wrote: »

Have you seen an Argonian egg, however? I'd be more curious to know how they lay those huge things.

It’s probably not as bad as human birth since they’re tapered and… egg shaped? Besides, if Kiwis can lay eggs that are the size of nearly their entire body then an Argonian will probably be fine.
Khajiit have it the best though, since all kittens are born the same— small, white cat-like kittens.

forum_gpt

virtus753 wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Why do female argonian have boobs?

I mean don't argonians lay eggs? Is there a lore reason for this? Do they have a functionality?

I don't mind tough. Just curious.

This is a direct copy and paste of someone else’s post from 2016 (typo and all).

Monte_Cristo

My theory is Argonians are similar to monotremes, egg laying mammals. In this case, I guess lactating reptiles. Both lay eggs and breast feed their young. Lactating hist sap instead of milk would support the hist sack theory.
As for why they have breasts from a design point, Argonians and Khajiit just used the same body design as humans and elves in early games, jest replacing the heads (and maybe hands/feet) and adding a tail.

Syldras

wilykcat wrote: »

This discussion is inappropriate.

Why? It's a lore question concerning the biology of a fantasy race.

wilykcat wrote: »

It makes no sense that lizards and khajiits have those things in the first place.

Why would mammals like Khajiit not have breasts to nurse their kittens?

wilykcat

They're cats.

kyle.wilson

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Argonians don't have actual breasts. There are no mammary glands and no ***.

It's pretty much just aesthetic lumps the Hist gave their bodies to make them appeal to and look more like men and mer. Which would likely increase their survival.

Syldras

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Also, the different types of Khajiit range from fully elven looking to fully cat looking. The most cat-like (like Senche or Alfiq) do not have human looking breasts, the more humanoid ones do. I don't see anything wrong with that.