Tales of Tribute - Easy strategy to win.

MindOfTheSwarm · November 12

Pick the Druid Deck and Psijic Deck.
Take the Druid card that grants power when you put a card into your cooldown and then spam Psijic cards over and over. There is literally no counter play. Even a player getting lucky with Pelin cards cannot beat your race.

freespirit · November 12

Pick Rajhin and Almaxia, use agents to remove prestige(Rahjin) and to confine opponents cards(Almaxia) thus keeping opponent too busy removing agents to earn prestige.

Might not ultimately be successful but will sure as hell slow down that strategy!

DenverRalphy · November 12

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Pick the Druid Deck and Psijic Deck.
Take the Druid card that grants power when you put a card into your cooldown and then spam Psijic cards over and over. There is literally no counter play. Even a player getting lucky with Pelin cards cannot beat your race.

Only works reliably against novic/proficient NPC opponents. Actual players are smart enough to just knock that card out with the very patron you so kindly paired with the Druid deck if they don't already have another avenue open to them.

KromedeTheCorrupt · November 12

freespirit wrote: »

Pick Rajhin and Almaxia, use agents to remove prestige(Rahjin) and to confine opponents cards(Almaxia) thus keeping opponent too busy removing agents to earn prestige.

Might not ultimately be successful but will sure as hell slow down that strategy!

When Rajhin fist came out I remember almost every game was just both players giving each other decks full of cursed cards until somebody quit. It was an awful time.

tsaescishoeshiner · November 12

The counter play is that your opponent has access to same decks as you--so it's still a race, assuming they don't have a better strategy for the draws they get!

Djennku · November 12

Tip: if they pick rhajiin and want to spam cards into your deck, counter with Orgnum, as they are just boosting your power gain.

LPapirius · November 12

I win ToT by not playing. Still mystified how ToT got into the game in the first place.

spartaxoxo · November 12

LPapirius wrote: »

I win ToT by not playing. Still mystified how ToT got into the game in the first place.

I personally suspect it was because developers needed a smaller non-combat thing to add to the game while they worked on the servers/re-architecture and planned new class, etc. Players had been asking for a card game or some other mini-games they could play in taverns for a while. So, it seemed like a good time to them to add that.

Erickson9610 · November 12

LPapirius wrote: »

I win ToT by not playing. Still mystified how ToT got into the game in the first place.

I'm personally very glad it's here. It's a fun minigame that gives players something to do when they're bored. ESO is a much more fleshed-out game for it.

MindOfTheSwarm · November 13

DenverRalphy wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Pick the Druid Deck and Psijic Deck.
Take the Druid card that grants power when you put a card into your cooldown and then spam Psijic cards over and over. There is literally no counter play. Even a player getting lucky with Pelin cards cannot beat your race.

Only works reliably against novic/proficient NPC opponents. Actual players are smart enough to just knock that card out with the very patron you so kindly paired with the Druid deck if they don't already have another avenue open to them.

I’m not referring to the agent. I’m referring to the Druid vestments. It’s simply an in play effect

MindOfTheSwarm · November 13

Erickson9610 wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

I win ToT by not playing. Still mystified how ToT got into the game in the first place.

I'm personally very glad it's here. It's a fun minigame that gives players something to do when they're bored. ESO is a much more fleshed-out game for it.

I agree. But certain cards and combos are way too snowbally. I would like a new patron that does something like this:

Favored: Pay 5 Power: Reduce the enemy player’s Prestige equal to how many cards they drew, donated or moved during their last turn. This Patron is now Neutral.

Neutral: Pay 5 Coin: Gain Power equal to how many cards the enemy player drew, donated or moved during their last turn. This Patron is now Favored.

Unfavored: Pay 1 Coin and Destroy 1 card that is currently in play and gain 4 power. This Patron is now Neutral.

Such a patron would shut down a lot of the ‘Draw’ and movement shenanigans while also not being abusable due to its powerful Unfavored bonus.

For cards in the deck I would have some kind of mechanic that allows you to choose a card or two from the opponents cooldown pile and put them at the top of their draw pile. Overall the deck would be quite weak with power gain outside of the patron but have good gold gain. Also, it wouldn’t have draw cards as that would go against the theme. But it would have some agents that counter draw and movement from the enemy.

Northwold · November 13

I think ToT now has too many decks, meaning players stick to a pet strategy that gets stale in play. Too many times I've seen the deck choices and roll my eyes because the match is going to be dull, dull, dull. Players end up not playing a true contest based on the game that has presented itself to them, but the same strategy over, and over, and over, and over again.

I wonder if it isn't time to do a presort that randomly whittles down the available decks before players choose from them. That would at least give games more variety. Of course, this would only really be workable for players with more than just the base decks.

That, or for these advanced players introduce the right to veto one deck each.

DenverRalphy · November 13

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Pick the Druid Deck and Psijic Deck.
Take the Druid card that grants power when you put a card into your cooldown and then spam Psijic cards over and over. There is literally no counter play. Even a player getting lucky with Pelin cards cannot beat your race.

Only works reliably against novic/proficient NPC opponents. Actual players are smart enough to just knock that card out with the very patron you so kindly paired with the Druid deck if they don't already have another avenue open to them.

I’m not referring to the agent. I’m referring to the Druid vestments. It’s simply an in play effect

Vestments can burn you just as easily as help you. If you're going to rely upon that card, you first have to be lucky enough that it doesn't drop when your opponent can grab it before you, or worse, both cards drop during your opponent's turn where they can either grab them both for cheap (cuz they're only 2 coin each) or use the Druid King Patron Power to simply knock them both off the board in one quick move.

Druid King is a late game deck, because you have to set up for viscious combos. Red Eagle deck would be a much better pairing because it allows you to trim cards that would dilute your draw pull, and doesn't provide your opponent with a tool to utilize against your combo setups.

If you select the first deck and you choose either Druid or Psijic, and if your opponent is in any way familiar with the game, it's almost guaranteed that you'll see Rajhin show up as one of their choices, and with that deck dumping bewilderment cards intor your draw pile and leaving curses on the table, it's likely going to be really difficult to make those combos happen.

I'm not saying your strategy can't be done. Simply that it isn't so quick and easy to pull off against just anybody other than less experienced players.

Major_Mangle · November 13

ToT would've been much better if it was an actual deck building game instead of the rng fiesta it is (sure deck building does have elements of rng to it but ToT you can genuinely lose the game on round 1-2 due to how the tavern system works)

KromedeTheCorrupt · November 13

Major_Mangle wrote: »

ToT would've been much better if it was an actual deck building game instead of the rng fiesta it is (sure deck building does have elements of rng to it but ToT you can genuinely lose the game on round 1-2 due to how the tavern system works)

I agree If you could somewhat build your starter deck it would be a lot funnier but it’s simply using the tavern for the first few rounds to destroy 1 gold cards with the only exception being that a too good to pass of card is in the middle. So it’s just very repetitive gameplay. sure the decks are different from game to game but the strategy rarely ever changes. Especially if somebody picks crow you already know what’s their plan is.

HatchetHaro · November 13

lol i eat that combo for breakfast

JemadarofCaerSalis · November 13

DenverRalphy wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Pick the Druid Deck and Psijic Deck.
Take the Druid card that grants power when you put a card into your cooldown and then spam Psijic cards over and over. There is literally no counter play. Even a player getting lucky with Pelin cards cannot beat your race.

Only works reliably against novic/proficient NPC opponents. Actual players are smart enough to just knock that card out with the very patron you so kindly paired with the Druid deck if they don't already have another avenue open to them.

I’m not referring to the agent. I’m referring to the Druid vestments. It’s simply an in play effect

Vestments can burn you just as easily as help you. If you're going to rely upon that card, you first have to be lucky enough that it doesn't drop when your opponent can grab it before you, or worse, both cards drop during your opponent's turn where they can either grab them both for cheap (cuz they're only 2 coin each) or use the Druid King Patron Power to simply knock them both off the board in one quick move.

Druid King is a late game deck, because you have to set up for viscious combos. Red Eagle deck would be a much better pairing because it allows you to trim cards that would dilute your draw pull, and doesn't provide your opponent with a tool to utilize against your combo setups.

If you select the first deck and you choose either Druid or Psijic, and if your opponent is in any way familiar with the game, it's almost guaranteed that you'll see Rajhin show up as one of their choices, and with that deck dumping bewilderment cards intor your draw pile and leaving curses on the table, it's likely going to be really difficult to make those combos happen.

I'm not saying your strategy can't be done. Simply that it isn't so quick and easy to pull off against just anybody other than less experienced players.

This is why I got over Pelin quickly. Yeah, you can get some great cards that rack up prestige/power quickly, but so can your opponent.

My personal favorite combo is Crow and Druid. Druid can get a lot of money, as can crow, with crow you can go through a lot of your deck in one hand, and then when needed, and you have a high total, you have the crow patron to win in one or two hands once everything is set up.

It also has the added bonus that I notice a lot of NPCs tend to prefer other decks to it (they will get them, but more often than not they will go after other decks for me).

If one of those is selected by the NPC, I pair it with Psijic, because I notice a lot of times the NPC will go for it, or, now that I have it, Mora, because again, some NPCs go for it, and it gives ME bonuses.

I have not played against other players, as I am just not really interested in that, so this strategy only works against NPCs. The mileage may also vary, because sometimes the AI will just like to toss a curve ball at me and grab the cards I want

Jerrold · November 13

Anyone know if a player forfeiting counts as a daily completion for ToT? Considering just paying for a win since I can’t even beat the novice npc.

Hapexamendios · November 14

This stupid card game game makes it impossible for me to get Zerith-var's favor. Can't even beat the tutorial NPC. Absolutely hate this.

spartaxoxo · November 14

Hapexamendios wrote: »

This stupid card game game makes it impossible for me to get Zerith-var's favor. Can't even beat the tutorial NPC. Absolutely hate this.

Are you creating 2 coin cards?

Hapexamendios · November 14

Sorry, don't understand that.

virtus753 · November 14

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Sorry, don't understand that.

You can use the treasury (center patron, bank icon) to trade in a card for a 2-gold coin card. The tutorial teaches this strategy as an opener so you can build up more coin in the later rounds by effectively converting your 1-gold starter coin cards to double their value.

If you stick with 1-gold cards, you may not be able to get enough gold in a hand to purchase the more powerful cards from the tavern.

FancyGremlin · November 15

Hapexamendios wrote: »

This stupid card game game makes it impossible for me to get Zerith-var's favor. Can't even beat the tutorial NPC. Absolutely hate this.

I am absolutely with you on this. I hated Tales of Tribute when it launched and I hate it now, but I managed to eke out a win playing with Novice NPCs just now just for Zerith's favor.

For the tutorial, listen to what virtus says about using the treasury. This is vital. You want as many 2-gold cards you can muster to pay for the more expensive cards.

I won my first ever game by using the Hlaalu patron and the Pelin patron. I would buy expensive cards and sacrifice them for the Prestige (the score that matters). I doubled up buying cheap Pelin cards for quick and easy Power (which turns into Prestige - it's complicated, I know. That's why I hate it so much!)

From one ToT hater to another, you got this. You can do it. I'm going back to playing Solitaire!

Hapexamendios · November 15

Thank you two for the the advice.

Hapexamendios · November 16

I was able to beat the tutorial player finally. However, now when I'm trying to play the novice players to get daily done for the achievement. I am getting absolutely destroyed. This game is a bloody abomination. I absolutely hate the fact that it is tied to the favor for Zarith. At least let us play against a friend rather than using the finder. All the players there are also impossible to beat. This achievement was not well thought out. Severely lower the difficulty of the computer players or let us play friends. As it is now, it has s impossible.

virtus753 · November 16

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I was able to beat the tutorial player finally. However, now when I'm trying to play the novice players to get daily done for the achievement. I am getting absolutely destroyed. This game is a bloody abomination. I absolutely hate the fact that it is tied to the favor for Zarith. At least let us play against a friend rather than using the finder. All the players there are also impossible to beat. This achievement was not well thought out. Severely lower the difficulty of the computer players or let us play friends. As it is now, it has s impossible.

It doesn’t make it easy, but matches against Proficient NPCs are in my experience generally easier than those against Novice NPCs. (Very good or bad RNG can change it on occasion, but on the whole.) Novice used to be notably easier than Proficient, as the terms suggest, and then the AI overhaul changed that quite significantly. It’s a big part of why the AI overhaul made no sense to me—clearly a “Novice” should not on average be harder than anyone more advanced. Yet that remains the case for me most of the time.

Ingenon · November 16

Hapexamendios wrote: »

This stupid card game game makes it impossible for me to get Zerith-var's favor. Can't even beat the tutorial NPC. Absolutely hate this.

I am leveling Zerith-var's favor by doing the Complete a Defense Force quest offered by Zahari at Grahtwood Northern Gate every day.

I am not good at Tales of Tribute. The tutorial did not help with understanding the ToT for me. And I don't play card games on any video games. Just not a thing for me.

For me, doing the Defense Force quests is better than learning Tales of Tribute.

Hapexamendios · November 16

Ingenon wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

This stupid card game game makes it impossible for me to get Zerith-var's favor. Can't even beat the tutorial NPC. Absolutely hate this.

I am leveling Zerith-var's favor by doing the Complete a Defense Force quest offered by Zahari at Grahtwood Northern Gate every day.

I am not good at Tales of Tribute. The tutorial did not help with understanding the ToT for me. And I don't play card games on any video games. Just not a thing for me.

For me, doing the Defense Force quests is better than learning Tales of Tribute.

I'm also doing those quests to raise his rapport. Zarith's Favor is an achievement. One of the criteria is completing a ToT daily quest. Only reason I'm trying to play the damn card game.

Jimbru · November 16

LPapirius wrote: »

I win ToT by not playing. Still mystified how ToT got into the game in the first place.

Because at the time, seemingly every echo-chambered dev at every BLEEPing game company was trying to incorporate a Gwent or Hearthstone style card game, whether or not it was actually what their players wanted. SPOILER: At least in ESO, it wasn't.

Jimbru · November 16

As for a winning strategy, I lean heavily Hlaalu and Pelin. I focus on building up gold generation in my first few turns, then focus on buying cards I can sacrifice with Hlaalu to gain prestige, or gain power with Pelin combos. If I get lucky to have a stack of power and gold that I can exploit for a big punch with the Duke of Crows, I'll use that too.

Ingenon · November 16

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I'm also doing those quests to raise his rapport. Zarith's Favor is an achievement. One of the criteria is completing a ToT daily quest. Only reason I'm trying to play the damn card game.

OK. I have not gotten that far with Zarith-var. The new companions just released on PS/NA a few days ago.

Sigh. When I get him to max rapport and max level, then I will be reading threads like this one for insight into how I can complete one daily ToT quest against an NPC. The Zerith-var passive for spotting heavy sacks seems to be worth unlocking account wide.