[ToT] A bug that leads to a question

ESO_player123

I've encountered an interesting bug today when I was not able to see my opponent's name (see screenshots below). I've never seen this, and I play a lot. It was an interesting experience - playing blind. This made me want to ask the ToT community a question: would you like a ToT mode where you do not see who you are playing with?

Edit: my question is about a possible hypothetical new casual mode. In ranked mode players of course should see their opponents

spartaxoxo

Yeah. I was worried about that type of thing before but having tried it another game, it works great. The only thing needed to make it work is a small record of our last few matches (and the results) so we can still block and report as needed.

I noticed that "next match with someone" trash talk or throwing decreased significantly once we were able to be anonymous. They had the anonymity through a streamer mode.

sayswhoto

The ToT PC NA competitive ladder is shrinking to the point where we can recognize each other by patron choice and playstyle, so not sure if it would help too much at this point.

I do like to see who I'm playing with since some people have expressed in-game they do not like the high win rate/toxic meta. If I remember those people, I will choose different patrons even if it reduces my chance of winning. Not everyone wants to play a game where you Orgnum/Rahjin/Alessia spam from the start, if applicable. Although top of the ladder is usually ok with this since they are more understanding of the need to win.

SeaGtGruff

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They had the anonymity through a streamer mode.

Say what? Is that a thing in ESO now? How do you enable it?

spartaxoxo

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They had the anonymity through a streamer mode.

Say what? Is that a thing in ESO now? How do you enable it?

In the other game I played.

DinoZavr

ESO_player123 wrote: »

This made me want to ask the ToT community a question: would you like a ToT mode where you do not see who you are playing with?

No. Under no circumstances. NO!
There already are MANY players, who abuse you delaying theirs moves to take all 90 seconds.
With such mode implemented others can freely abuse you staying anonymous. So this mode SHALL seriously promote unsportsmanship and toxic behaviour, as now you have zero clue whom you are to report.

ESO_player123

DinoZavr wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

This made me want to ask the ToT community a question: would you like a ToT mode where you do not see who you are playing with?

No. Under no circumstances. NO!
There already are MANY players, who abuse you delaying theirs moves to take all 90 seconds.
With such mode implemented others can freely abuse you staying anonymous. So this mode SHALL seriously promote unsportsmanship and toxic behaviour, as now you have zero clue whom you are to report.

Are you reporting people for taking all 90 seconds? While I had encountered such people, and they are annoying, I do not see what reporting them can change. They are not abusing a bug and stay within the rules of the game (yes, very annoying).

ESO_player123

sayswhoto wrote: »

The ToT PC NA competitive ladder is shrinking to the point where we can recognize each other by patron choice and playstyle, so not sure if it would help too much at this point.

I do like to see who I'm playing with since some people have expressed in-game they do not like the high win rate/toxic meta. If I remember those people, I will choose different patrons even if it reduces my chance of winning. Not everyone wants to play a game where you Orgnum/Rahjin/Alessia spam from the start, if applicable. Although top of the ladder is usually ok with this since they are more understanding of the need to win.

I should probably clarify that my question is about a new casual mode. In ranked mode players of course should see their opponents.

DinoZavr

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Are you reporting people for taking all 90 seconds? While I had encountered such people, and they are annoying, I do not see what reporting them can change. They are not abusing a bug and stay within the rules of the game (yes, very annoying).

No. But these very players made me to STOP playing ToT completely.
in my stats on average every third player behaves this way.
My life is too short to throw away half an hour for one very boring and very annoying game.
let them play with each other.

ESO_player123

DinoZavr wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Are you reporting people for taking all 90 seconds? While I had encountered such people, and they are annoying, I do not see what reporting them can change. They are not abusing a bug and stay within the rules of the game (yes, very annoying).

No. But these very players made me to STOP playing ToT completely.
in my stats on average every third player behaves this way.
My life is too short to throw away half an hour for one very boring and very annoying game.
let them play with each other.

Every third? That is unlucky. I cannot say that I have a similar experience. Here and there, yes, I do see a deliberate stalling, and I recognize the names of such players. But in many cases one can tell that the opponent is just a less experienced player or just thinking their turn through).

DinoZavr

on the second thought:

now we have "Classical" games only

Zenimax easily can implement:
Rapid - with total game time control like 5 minutes PER PLAYER, so slowpokes lose being "flagged" by time
Blitz - where time to complete move is calculated with the number of possible cards in play
Bullet - with even stricter (2 or 3 minutes) time control per player

as for Blitz: i believe Zenimax has millions of games recorded and AI simply can clarify to what group a certain players belong to:
abuser, slow-thinker, normal player, fast thinker, blitz genius, so matchmaking can be done. Of course, if game makers do care.
Which is what i am, unfortunately, no longer believe. With years game becomes uncomfortable, inconvenient, flashy and very dumb.
This evolution is so apparent.

The solution is also obvious: if Zenimax could hire Developers who really care about the game they make
ToT Time control topics are common, as existing game allows to abuse others not breaking a single rule.
Why Developers pay no attention to that? - They are given no time and not paid to improve the features which are already implemented. This is the very formal and heartless approach. This results in "don't play if you don't like".
And, yes, i don't play ToT versus humans anymore.

Personofsecrets

I wonder what would have happened if you had the TOT addon button that writes the opponents name to the chat window.

ESO_player123

DinoZavr wrote: »

on the second thought:

now we have "Classical" games only

Zenimax easily can implement:
Rapid - with total game time control like 5 minutes PER PLAYER, so slowpokes lose being "flagged" by time
Blitz - where time to complete move is calculated with the number of possible cards in play
Bullet - with even stricter (2 or 3 minutes) time control per player

as for Blitz: i believe Zenimax has millions of games recorded and AI simply can clarify to what group a certain players belong to:
abuser, slow-thinker, normal player, fast thinker, blitz genius, so matchmaking can be done. Of course, if game makers do care.
Which is what i am, unfortunately, no longer believe. With years game becomes uncomfortable, inconvenient, flashy and very dumb.
This evolution is so apparent.

The solution is also obvious: if Zenimax could hire Developers who really care about the game they make
ToT Time control topics are common, as existing game allows to abuse others not breaking a single rule.
Why Developers pay no attention to that? - They are given no time and not paid to improve the features which are already implemented. This is the very formal and heartless approach. This results in "don't play if you don't like".
And, yes, i don't play ToT versus humans anymore.

Definitely a NO to allowing AI to determine the "type of player". If any hypothetical new mode is added to the game(and, yes, this is a discussion about a hypothetical mode, not a request to make one), the players should choose which mode to play.

ESO_player123

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I wonder what would have happened if you had the TOT addon button that writes the opponents name to the chat window.

That is an interesting question. But for the purpose of the discussion let's assume that it's not allowed. I'm just curious if the players would be interested in playing in such mode (not requesting it from the developers).

Personofsecrets

Yea, maybe it could be a good mode. It's hard to say how much "knowing the opponent" is good for the game and if that knowledge should be freely available.

Erickson9610

Does it really matter knowing who you're up against? Their strategies change depending on which patrons are selected.

I don't see what difference a mode that hides the opponent's name would make.

Personofsecrets

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Does it really matter knowing who you're up against? Their strategies change depending on which patrons are selected.

I don't see what difference a mode that hides the opponent's name would make.

Some players play in their own unique ways.

What is right to them isn't necessarily right to others.

It's possible to know how an opponent thinks and what plays they may prefer to make based on experiences of playing against them. Knowing these things is a type of strategic advantage.