Don't allow premades in any battleground.

ArgoCye

Problem solved. You're welcome.

Reginald_leBlem

I see you are a fan of solving problems by creating new, bigger problems.

Erickson9610

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

I see you are a fan of solving problems by creating new, bigger problems.

What bigger problems would come of not allowing a group queue?

OsUfi

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

I see you are a fan of solving problems by creating new, bigger problems.

What bigger problems would come of not allowing a group queue?

Separate queues, fine, but OP said "Don't allow premades in any battleground." So anyone who wants to play with friends will quit BGs.

Erickson9610

OsUfi wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

I see you are a fan of solving problems by creating new, bigger problems.

What bigger problems would come of not allowing a group queue?

Separate queues, fine, but OP said "Don't allow premades in any battleground." So anyone who wants to play with friends will quit BGs.

4v4 should be a group queue. 8v8 should be a solo queue.

Players who group together naturally perform better together — perfect for Competitive 4v4. Solo players may try Battlegrounds for the first time and get steamrolled by grouped players — so keep groups out of Casual 8v8.

Stafford197

You don’t want people to play with their friends?

No thank you.

DenverRalphy

Solo players should recognize that PvP is inherently a group activity in MMOs. Always has been. Always wil.

Wanna go solo? Knock yourself out. Just accept the fact that you'll likely never dominate.

Erickson9610

Stafford197 wrote: »

You don’t want people to play with their friends?

No thank you.

No, they can still play with their friends — just with a chance to be on the opposing team from them.

Erickson9610

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Solo players should recognize that PvP is inherently a group activity in MMOs. Always has been. Always wil.

Wanna go solo? Knock yourself out. Just accept the fact that you'll likely never dominate.

This leads to the ball group situation in Cyrodiil. Do we really want to turn away new players because they can't compete?

Stafford197

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

You don’t want people to play with their friends?

No thank you.

No, they can still play with their friends — just with a chance to be on the opposing team from them.

You’re not making any sense.

Playing with friends means I will group with my friends and we’ll play together since that’s what friends do.

Queuing up solo and hoping you randomly match make with people you know is not playing with friends. Maybe I’m misunderstanding but I feel like this is a weird conversation lol.

If you want to argue for premade group queue vs solo queue then that’s great, most people agree on this. The OP is calling to eliminate BG premades altogether though.

Erickson9610

Stafford197 wrote: »

If you want to argue for premade group queue vs solo queue then that’s great, most people agree on this. The OP is calling to eliminate BG premades altogether though.

I don't agree with that, though. If we split 4v4 and 8v8 into 4v4 Group, 4v4 Solo, 8v8 Group, and 8v8 Solo, then nobody would ever get a match of Battlegrounds going. This is precisely why the gamemode queues were dropped — the playerbase was fragmented and didn't have a healthy enough population for each queue to sustain reasonable queue times.

Stafford197 wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

You don’t want people to play with their friends?

No thank you.

No, they can still play with their friends — just with a chance to be on the opposing team from them.

You’re not making any sense.

Playing with friends means I will group with my friends and we’ll play together since that’s what friends do.

Queuing up solo and hoping you randomly match make with people you know is not playing with friends. Maybe I’m misunderstanding but I feel like this is a weird conversation lol.

Playing "with" friends can mean playing "against" friends. Several PvP games out there don't guarantee that you'll end up on the same team as your friends, and that's okay. You both end up on the same server in the end.

Maybe instead of guaranteeing that groups are placed on the same team, ESO should autobalance the teams. While a solo queue could sometimes consistently allow two friends to play in the same match, whether they're on opposing teams or not, I think a more nuanced group system could be employed to break up premades to allow for a fairer playing experience.

Stafford197

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

If you want to argue for premade group queue vs solo queue then that’s great, most people agree on this. The OP is calling to eliminate BG premades altogether though.

I don't agree with that, though. If we split 4v4 and 8v8 into 4v4 Group, 4v4 Solo, 8v8 Group, and 8v8 Solo, then nobody would ever get a match of Battlegrounds going. This is precisely why the gamemode queues were dropped — the playerbase was fragmented and didn't have a healthy enough population for each queue to sustain reasonable queue times.

Stafford197 wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

You don’t want people to play with their friends?

No thank you.

No, they can still play with their friends — just with a chance to be on the opposing team from them.

You’re not making any sense.

Playing with friends means I will group with my friends and we’ll play together since that’s what friends do.

Queuing up solo and hoping you randomly match make with people you know is not playing with friends. Maybe I’m misunderstanding but I feel like this is a weird conversation lol.

Playing "with" friends can mean playing "against" friends. Several PvP games out there don't guarantee that you'll end up on the same team as your friends, and that's okay. You both end up on the same server in the end.

Maybe instead of guaranteeing that groups are placed on the same team, ESO should autobalance the teams. While a solo queue could sometimes consistently allow two friends to play in the same match, whether they're on opposing teams or not, I think a more nuanced group system could be employed to break up premades to allow for a fairer playing experience.

I understand your reasoning but the game just needs more players. Making huge compromises shouldn’t be the way and will also push away players who wanted to play on the same team as their friends, just like they can for all other content.